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straightUp Loc: California

LOL - Oh no! The news is out! I bet Fox is working overtime right now trying to find *something* to say about it. They won't want to appear to be slow on the uptake, but they can't possibly say anything positive about anything associated with that Muslim, C*******t, Black man in the Oval Office.

Meanwhile, this will probably be the only comment on the subject because I know, most people on this site, just don't want to hear it.

But I, for one am delighted.

Yay for Obamacare..!
Yay for more competition in the healthcare market! Which the insurance companies H**E and want you to h**e too. I'm so glad "We The People" have finally managed to stick it to the fat, and corrupt insurance industry that's been ripping us all off all these years. Thank you Obama for helping with that.

And too all the little sheep that beleive anything insurance companies, their lobbyists and Republican reps say... I'm so glad your ignorant outrage wasn't enough to prevent this much needed change.

Yankee Clipper

snowbear37 Loc: MA.

LOL, also. Allen Clifton is doing what he does best, progressing the progressive agenda! There is no mention of the "hidden taxes" involved nor does he mention the parts of "Obummercare" that have nothing to do with health issues. Wh**ever the cost of the plans available to people, there are more costs that will be added to the cost of those plans. "Obummercare" is still the largest financial increase to hit middle and lower class people in years.

straightUp Loc: California

Basically, the problem is everything you're complaining about... If you are a healthy individual that doesn't go to the doctor every week, then I guarantee you that you spend more money on insurance premiums than you need to AND that money you spend pays for other people's health care AND to line the pockets of investors.

Insurance companies are motivated by money, which means that health decisions are motivated by money. A public system is motivated by the concerns of the public. A public system has public oversight, private insurance companies do not. Just the current difference in overhead between Medicare and private insurance suggests the results of public oversight.

Average overhead for Medicare = 5%
Average overhead for private insurance = 20%


And yet you do it anyway and can't imagine there is a problem. You, my friend, are what people call a sucker.


So, you were fortunate you didn't have any real problems. What did you have to barter for? A band-aid?


First of all, according to a study at Harvard University, 45,000 deaths per year in America are caused by a lack of medical attention.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

Secondly, I'm so tired of people using charity as the "magic excuse" to be selfish. "I give to charity - so I don't need the state to take my money by force." I hear this all the time from the right, like it's a practiced mantra. I bet most of them are lying about their donations anyway because with charity it's easy to lie and SAY you gave, when you didn't and I think that's why they like it as opposed to a tax system they HAVE to pay into.

If someone is truly charitable they would not have a problem paying tax to cover the less fortunate because truly charitable people feel that helping others is the prime concern, not fussing about the money you gave up. When someone get's all dramatic about having to pay for someone else, it's really hard to believe they are being genuine when they casually mention charity as a better solution.

But forget about my opinions for a minute, let's go to the bottom line which is very simple (and I've studied this at length)... In the U.S., the total sum of charity falls waaay short of the total sum of need.

This is WHY 45,000 Americans die each year for a lack of service.

Not only that, but if we went with a simple tax plan, charitable giving would be even less because aside from the nickles and dimes that good people can afford to give up, most significant and effective charitable donations are motivated by tax avoidance. So we can probably thank the IRS for most charity in this country anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I think charity is a wonderful thing, but it's simply not enough. Most Americans really aren't as generous as they pretend to be. And I find the use of "charity" as an argument for not having to pay tax, simply revolting.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

I am stunned at the economic ingnorance of posts like this - just take the first statement regarding health insurance - it fails to even demonstrate the narrowest understanding of the term insurance - let me paraphrase your statement - unless your house burns down every year or so, you are over paying homeowner's insurance. If this doesn't show the economic ignorance of your health care comment - without an extensive education you are hopelessly confused.

straightUp Loc: California

Don't be an i***t. Everyone understands the basic concept of insurance as being something you pay "in-case" something happens. But we also know that the money you spend on insurance doesn't just sit around in a vault until your house burns down.

IF your house burns down, then you probably haven't paid enough insurance to cover the cost of fixing it, the insurance company will pay anyway because they can take the money from MY insurance premium against which their is no claim. So in effect I pay to fix YOUR house.

Now, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that system. It is in fact a "collective" system, where the liability of a demographic is spread across the collective premiums... What I AM saying is that Obamacare works within the same exact model and yet you folks keep whining about having to pay for someone else's misfortunes. So what I am doing here is calling BS on that r****ded argument that implies we don't already do that.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

How many of the "other" taxes in Obamacare did I see mentioned in that blog post? None

I would like to thank you and OPP for giving me a chance to sign the petition against Common Core that I found on that blog. I did some looking around on that Forward Progressives blog and found some very interesting things about it. Maybe you should go there and look at what you find on their Home area. Very interesting.

Lets see, the other areas of the blog were L**T (a really interesting place), international, Barack Obama and one on just Democrats. Quite a place and the most interesting thing was that the writer of that post tried to make California and the other northwest states out to be something other than far left in nature. Once he got started on Governor Perry and Texas there were no more inferences about California or the northwest.

I bet you failed to read the link that OPP posted so couldn't have any idea what Forward Progressives really is.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Obamacare is government mandated, with mandated benefits - and even providing some things "free". Show me where any other insurance is government mandated with "free" stuff. You stated a person not going to the doctor weekly overpaid heatlh insurance. If you meant to say something else you did a poor job of it. Perhaps you think auto insurance or homeowner's should involve more government mandates - so we can punish those damned P & C inusurance companies profiting from disasters.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

I will wait until the CBO and OMB provide numbers.

I will further continue watching the quiet trend that has been occurring in my area for several years of concierge medical practices who take NO insurance. The costs to the patients are significantly lower as there is no burdensome administrative costs. The other interesting part is your medical records are totally private from governmental agencies. A patient does not have to provide their SS# as the insurance company is out of the loop. Patients actually are a name not a number. Patients and physicians can actually have sufficient time to discuss a medical issue in depth.

The issue that continues to confound me is how HHS and/or the IRS are going to compel young people, who are not gainfully employed and not paying taxes, to become part of ACA. the old saying about blood from stone would seem to fit this scenario.

What of the individual who is healthy, sees no doctor; however, has taken the precaution of purchasing a catastrophe health insurance policy. Must they now become part of something they have no need nor want of?

I have concerns with the new form each taxpayer will have to submit to the IRS providing information on what health insurance an individual has and the IRS determining if it meets requirements. REALLY, the IRS :twisted: one would suppose all new IRS employees will have to have not only knowledge of tax code but medicine. WOW, and they thought college loan debt was high now, imagine what it will be with that double major.

No one can debate the behemoth insurance companies have become. There is insufficient time or space to cover the issues surrounding the intrusiveness into physician/patient relationships that has occurred; however, it may be a out of the frying pan into the fire issue with the ACA. One size does not fit all.

I freely admit to not having done due diligence on ACA; however, will probably go for the penalty phase. It has been my practice for a long while to set aside what my health insurance premiums would be in case of health issues. My last visit to a doctor was five years ago for pneumonia and in fact was charged less due the physician NOT having to process paper work. In point of fact, there is no record of that visit in a vast data base. Cash precludes the necessity of having to provide pesky personal information.

My perspective on these types of issues may come from a family of CPAs and physicians mixed with two pastors thrown in. Geez, maybe I should get insurance and seek a psychologist.

straightUp Loc: California

No, it's not. The only thing being mandated is that we have to be insured... by whomever we choose. If you WANT, you can pay for private insurance OR you can choose to pay into the public option. Now, of course the public option is subsidized by mandatory tax, but that tax is a democratic decision, not a tyrannical one. People like me V**E for representatives that V**E for Obamacare. My decision beat your decision by a margin of v**es. You loose, sorry. That's how democratic decisions work. No different than the fact that our military which is far larger than anything I want, is also subsidized by mandatory taxes that people YOU v**ed for.


First of all nothing is free. Everything in Obamacare is paid for. If by free you mean some people who don't pay taxes get free benefits from services that are paid for by other people who DO pay taxes then...

...our military. "free" protection for all Americans who don't pay taxes... paid for by Americans that are FORCED to pay taxes whether or not they even if they don't want it. There we go... as silly as the concept is... mandated free stuff.


No, that's exactly what I meant... within the context of my example, which I guess you didn't understand. Try reading more often. Practice makes perfect ;)


Show me one insurance company that profits from disaster. I designed several business intelligence systems for major insurance companies to help them assess risk so as to AVOID holding the bag when disaster hits.

You aren't giving me the impression that you really know much about this Dave... Are you sure you want to continue this argument?

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

libs believe the earth is over populated that's why they push a******n so hard especially for b****s, they are why the a******n program was started but if they can get money from emergency rooms they change their story

The Dutchman

forwardprogressives.com is nothing but a progressive, liberal rag that support the destruction of our once great country. Normal folks wouldn't even use it as a fish wrap or ass wipe.

The Dutchman

Wow! rambles on just like some one else we know all to well...

The Dutchman

And will be overseen and distributed by NON medical personnel.
Under obozo care bureaucraps, not doctors will decide what care you get and when!