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Was the Second Amendment created so Conservatives could over-throw liberal despots and protect their own? Yes or No?
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Jul 30, 2022 08:40:57   #
PeterS
 
So lets read it and find out!

A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Now the Constitution was penned by the man who also penned the Virginia Constitution so what does the Virginia constitution have to say?

Section 13. M*****a; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power

That a well regulated m*****a, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.


Does any of that sound familiar? In fact, if you read the constitutions of the majority of the original colonies you will find similar wording regarding m*****a and free-standing armies.

So where's the wording about liberal despots or any despot whatsoever? If the intent is so you cons can o*******w governments hostile to you and that you can defend yourself with the latest gun why wouldn't either be mentioned in the second amendment? If the intent was different than what Madison meant when he wrote the Virginia Constitution why would the two sound so much alike?

And during the Whiskey R*******n, when Washington called up the well-trained m*****a from 4 states, was he following that actual intent of the Second Amendment and not the perverted meaning that you cons have come up with today?

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Jul 30, 2022 09:29:56   #
Liberty Tree
 
PeterS wrote:
So lets read it and find out!

A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Now the Constitution was penned by the man who also penned the Virginia Constitution so what does the Virginia constitution have to say?

Section 13. M*****a; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power

That a well regulated m*****a, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.


Does any of that sound familiar? In fact, if you read the constitutions of the majority of the original colonies you will find similar wording regarding m*****a and free-standing armies.

So where's the wording about liberal despots or any despot whatsoever? If the intent is so you cons can o*******w governments hostile to you and that you can defend yourself with the latest gun why wouldn't either be mentioned in the second amendment? If the intent was different than what Madison meant when he wrote the Virginia Constitution why would the two sound so much alike?

And during the Whiskey R*******n, when Washington called up the well-trained m*****a from 4 states, was he following that actual intent of the Second Amendment and not the perverted meaning that you cons have come up with today?
So lets read it and find out! br br b i A well... (show quote)


According to this the body of the people shall be trained to arms, not have them taken away.

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Jul 30, 2022 09:46:47   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
PeterS wrote:
So lets read it and find out!

A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Now the Constitution was penned by the man who also penned the Virginia Constitution so what does the Virginia constitution have to say?

Section 13. M*****a; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power

That a well regulated m*****a, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.


Does any of that sound familiar? In fact, if you read the constitutions of the majority of the original colonies you will find similar wording regarding m*****a and free-standing armies.

So where's the wording about liberal despots or any despot whatsoever? If the intent is so you cons can o*******w governments hostile to you and that you can defend yourself with the latest gun why wouldn't either be mentioned in the second amendment? If the intent was different than what Madison meant when he wrote the Virginia Constitution why would the two sound so much alike?

And during the Whiskey R*******n, when Washington called up the well-trained m*****a from 4 states, was he following that actual intent of the Second Amendment and not the perverted meaning that you cons have come up with today?
So lets read it and find out! br br b i A well... (show quote)

We are ready!

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Jul 30, 2022 10:01:06   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
So lets read it and find out!

A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Now the Constitution was penned by the man who also penned the Virginia Constitution so what does the Virginia constitution have to say?

Section 13. M*****a; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power

That a well regulated m*****a, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.


Does any of that sound familiar? In fact, if you read the constitutions of the majority of the original colonies you will find similar wording regarding m*****a and free-standing armies.

So where's the wording about liberal despots or any despot whatsoever? If the intent is so you cons can o*******w governments hostile to you and that you can defend yourself with the latest gun why wouldn't either be mentioned in the second amendment? If the intent was different than what Madison meant when he wrote the Virginia Constitution why would the two sound so much alike?

And during the Whiskey R*******n, when Washington called up the well-trained m*****a from 4 states, was he following that actual intent of the Second Amendment and not the perverted meaning that you cons have come up with today?
So lets read it and find out! br br b i A well... (show quote)


All my guns are prejudiced against q***rs



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Jul 30, 2022 10:38:57   #
Justice101
 
PeterS wrote:
So lets read it and find out!

A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Now the Constitution was penned by the man who also penned the Virginia Constitution so what does the Virginia constitution have to say?

Section 13. M*****a; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power

That a well regulated m*****a, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.


Does any of that sound familiar? In fact, if you read the constitutions of the majority of the original colonies you will find similar wording regarding m*****a and free-standing armies.

So where's the wording about liberal despots or any despot whatsoever? If the intent is so you cons can o*******w governments hostile to you and that you can defend yourself with the latest gun why wouldn't either be mentioned in the second amendment? If the intent was different than what Madison meant when he wrote the Virginia Constitution why would the two sound so much alike?

And during the Whiskey R*******n, when Washington called up the well-trained m*****a from 4 states, was he following that actual intent of the Second Amendment and not the perverted meaning that you cons have come up with today?
So lets read it and find out! br br b i A well... (show quote)


What don't you understand about the meaning of :"the right to bear and keep arms shall not be infringed"?
The Constitution didn't need to describe the type of arms.

https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2018/03/11/multi-shot-assault-weapons-of-the-1700s-and-the-2nd-amendment/

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Jul 30, 2022 10:47:08   #
F.D.R.
 
PeterS wrote:
So lets read it and find out!

A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Now the Constitution was penned by the man who also penned the Virginia Constitution so what does the Virginia constitution have to say?

Section 13. M*****a; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power

That a well regulated m*****a, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.


Does any of that sound familiar? In fact, if you read the constitutions of the majority of the original colonies you will find similar wording regarding m*****a and free-standing armies.

So where's the wording about liberal despots or any despot whatsoever? If the intent is so you cons can o*******w governments hostile to you and that you can defend yourself with the latest gun why wouldn't either be mentioned in the second amendment? If the intent was different than what Madison meant when he wrote the Virginia Constitution why would the two sound so much alike?

And during the Whiskey R*******n, when Washington called up the well-trained m*****a from 4 states, was he following that actual intent of the Second Amendment and not the perverted meaning that you cons have come up with today?
So lets read it and find out! br br b i A well... (show quote)


M*****a is NOT a free standing army. In fact, the m*****a is a defense against the government using the free standing army against the citizens. I refer to the beginning of the Revolutionary War when the m*****a's took on the Kings army prior to the formation of our own Army.

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Jul 30, 2022 11:55:17   #
PeterS
 
Justice101 wrote:
What don't you understand about the meaning of :"the right to bear and keep arms shall not be infringed"?
The Constitution didn't need to describe the type of arms.

https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2018/03/11/multi-shot-assault-weapons-of-the-1700s-and-the-2nd-amendment/

What don't you understand about: "A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State,"

For the founders, there is a reason that arms weren't to be infringed upon. My point is, since you cons don't give an "F" about the reason how is your right to bear arms still valid?

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Jul 30, 2022 11:57:17   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
PeterS wrote:
So lets read it and find out!

A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Now the Constitution was penned by the man who also penned the Virginia Constitution so what does the Virginia constitution have to say?

Section 13. M*****a; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power

That a well regulated m*****a, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.


Does any of that sound familiar? In fact, if you read the constitutions of the majority of the original colonies you will find similar wording regarding m*****a and free-standing armies.

So where's the wording about liberal despots or any despot whatsoever? If the intent is so you cons can o*******w governments hostile to you and that you can defend yourself with the latest gun why wouldn't either be mentioned in the second amendment? If the intent was different than what Madison meant when he wrote the Virginia Constitution why would the two sound so much alike?

And during the Whiskey R*******n, when Washington called up the well-trained m*****a from 4 states, was he following that actual intent of the Second Amendment and not the perverted meaning that you cons have come up with today?
So lets read it and find out! br br b i A well... (show quote)


=============================

I suggest that no 250-year-old legal mumbo jumbo will take away our guns now, today, in 2022 or ever. Further, to make a real attempt to do so will be the trigger that initiates Civil War II.

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Jul 30, 2022 12:03:51   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
All my guns are prejudiced against q***rs


Impressive arsenal Wolf! Do you have a m*****a standing by to use all that firepower?

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Jul 30, 2022 12:08:41   #
PeterS
 
F.D.R. wrote:
M*****a is NOT a free standing army. In fact, the m*****a is a defense against the government using the free standing army against the citizens. I refer to the beginning of the Revolutionary War when the m*****a's took on the Kings army prior to the formation of our own Army.

I never stated that a m*****a was a freestanding army and I agree that a m*****a can be a defense against a despot using the freestanding army to put down civilians. However, even with an AR-15 today's m*****a would be woefully outgunned by today's freestanding army so how exactly do you plan on o*******wing a despot? That's why the founders were against having a freestanding army--because they would be a danger to the Republic...

https://daytondui.com/founding-fathers-opposed-standing-army/

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Jul 30, 2022 12:20:55   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
PeterS wrote:
I never stated that a m*****a was a freestanding army and I agree that a m*****a can be a defense against a despot using the freestanding army to put down civilians. However, even with an AR-15 today's m*****a would be woefully outgunned by today's freestanding army so how exactly do you plan on o*******wing a despot? That's why the founders were against having a freestanding army--because they would be a danger to the Republic...

https://daytondui.com/founding-fathers-opposed-standing-army/
I never stated that a m*****a was a freestanding a... (show quote)


I believe the Founders would have found nitwit sheeple like you, even more of a threat than a standing army.

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Jul 30, 2022 12:22:30   #
PeterS
 
manning5 wrote:
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I suggest that no 250-year-old legal mumbo jumbo will take away our guns now, today, in 2022 or ever. Further, to make a real attempt to do so will be the trigger that initiates Civil War II.

Oh, I never believed that a factual interpretation of the second amendment would be enough to "take away" your guns. And I agree, you cons would destroy this country if the rule of law threatened your AR-15...but what wouldn't be enough to start a Civil War? Anything? It's just, in the future, remember that you cons could give an "F" about the factual interpretation of the Constitution. So when you cons are running around saying how you believe in the constitution and the rule of law remember, that's, just rhetoric and counter to how you actually believe. Okay!

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Jul 30, 2022 12:24:06   #
PeterS
 
JFlorio wrote:
I believe the Founders would have found nitwit sheeple like you, even more of a threat than a standing army.

Funny, that's not what they wrote...not that you would ever read anything they actually wrote.

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Jul 30, 2022 12:26:12   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
PeterS wrote:
Oh, I never believed that a factual interpretation of the second amendment would be enough to "take away" your guns. And I agree, you cons would destroy this country if the rule of law threatened your AR-15...but what wouldn't be enough to start a Civil War? Anything? It's just, in the future, remember that you cons could give an "F" about the factual interpretation of the Constitution. So when you cons are running around saying how you believe in the constitution and the rule of law remember, that's, just rhetoric and counter to how you actually believe. Okay!
Oh, I never believed that a factual interpretation... (show quote)


You're just a dimwitted liar. Read the Federalist Papers and commentaries by our Founders on the right to keep and bear arms. Better yet, have someone explain it to you because you're not getting it.

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Jul 30, 2022 12:26:37   #
PeterS
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
We are ready!

For what? Not understanding what the Founders meant when they wrote the constitution that's for damn sure...

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