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Jul 22, 2022 11:19:02   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Haski123 wrote:
Why do you focus on H****r and not every other violator of the things you state he’s done. He is not in the administration. Does anyone else use family name as influence, is that against the law? Let’s focus on people in the administrations not their kids ( unless they are in the administration). Regarding biased items if you use the same criteria for all ( like govt or public records) then they are comparing apples to apples facts are relative/ comparable non biased and only conclusions drawn can be biased. Regarding ideological vs reasoned, I have no hidden agenda, the world isn’t perfect, all Republican are not good, and Democrats are all not bad or visa versa. Trying to understand peoples positions on items, understand why and formulate my stand and share. Sometimes what I read strengthens my position sometimes weakens it or causes me to rethink and change. Allows me to understand all sides of items analyze and decide what my opinion is.
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I pretty much agree with everything you say. I feel much the same. I joined OPP to learn and to share....it is a shame you fall the the left side and I to the right, but that is life. H****r is important for two reasons. First is because every indication has been and continues to be that he is corrupt to the bone, and has done a LOT more than just drop the Big Guy's name. All indications are that the Big Guy is heavily involved in H****r's corruption. Biden has lied repeatedly about his knowledge of H****r's activities, and been caught at it. However, innocent until proven guilty must be observed, so we shall see. Is the President using his position and influence to suppress the investigations? Again, we shall see. The second reason is that the information on the laptop, indeed the very existence of the laptop, was denied and suppressed by the Biden campaign and numerous federal agencies AND by the MSM prior to November 2020. THAT is intolerable, and everyone involved would be in prison if justice was served.

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Jul 22, 2022 11:26:28   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Well h****r c*********d the safety of the USA when the big guy blackmailed the Ukraine.
I don’t see any other children of official people doing these things.

Check it out. There are more.

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Jul 22, 2022 12:07:43   #
Haski123
 
RandyBrian wrote:
I agree with every word you said.....except where it relates to me. I have tremendous faith in our American Constitution and institutions....where they have not been corrupted by bureaucrats, that is. I have no doubts that America and Americans can and would deal with the fallout should it be proven that the Democrats s***e the e******n. And I agree with you that it would be worth it to go through that turmoil to get the Biden/Pelosi cartel out of office.
My problem is that I do not see that happening. Is there something in the Constitution to address this situation? Not that I am aware of. As far as I know, if it is proven in a federal court that the e******n was s****n, and Biden in removed from office, then Harris will take over. If SHE is also removed, then Pelosi would become president, and THAT would be, IMO, far worse than Biden OR Harris. Instead, would Trump/Pence be installed in the top offices? I doubt it very VERY seriously. Our best hope would be that a special e******n would be called, and in the meantime we would probably have to deal with Pelosi as president.
It's not that the goal isn't worthy, or that I fear the turmoil......it is that I do not see a way forward. Am I incorrect? If ANYONE can see a way that is workable, then you or Blade are the ones to find it. Please tell me how I am wrong about the probable outcome!
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I believe you have correctly stated chain of command that would take place should Biden & Harris be impeached. To my knowledge no information exists that anyone on Democratic side planned, coerced, or took actions that would have changed the outcome of the e******n- so that in itself is a long shot, so long I don’t feel based on investigations, litigations, audits done by numerous bodies it’s even worth further consideration. The way forward is to support the constitution which means support the duly majority elected, certified, government administration( Exec Branch , Supreme Court, & fed & state congresses, Governors, mayors, local officials) as best you can. Push them for the changes you feel are needed, and encourage everyone to v**e in 2022/2024 and see what happens. The e******n process is not perfect, but is solid, well controlled and catches most anomalies and has processes for recourse should concerns arise. We all need to have faith in the process going forward. That’s my view. Some work can be done to improve e******n system but I feel the 2020 e******n has demonstrated it’s very solid process now. Regarding inflation, gas just one factor, that is a problem, hopefully actions being taken by govt will correct the trend that is affecting most Americans.

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Jul 22, 2022 13:09:34   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Haski123 wrote:
I believe you have correctly stated chain of command that would take place should Biden & Harris be impeached. To my knowledge no information exists that anyone on Democratic side planned, coerced, or took actions that would have changed the outcome of the e******n- so that in itself is a long shot, so long I don’t feel based on investigations, litigations, audits done by numerous bodies it’s even worth further consideration. The way forward is to support the constitution which means support the duly majority elected, certified, government administration( Exec Branch , Supreme Court, & fed & state congresses, Governors, mayors, local officials) as best you can. Push them for the changes you feel are needed, and encourage everyone to v**e in 2022/2024 and see what happens. The e******n process is not perfect, but is solid, well controlled and catches most anomalies and has processes for recourse should concerns arise. We all need to have faith in the process going forward. That’s my view. Some work can be done to improve e******n system but I feel the 2020 e******n has demonstrated it’s very solid process now. Regarding inflation, gas just one factor, that is a problem, hopefully actions being taken by govt will correct the trend that is affecting most Americans.
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I hear you, and understand, but because of the reasons I have stated already, I do NOT trust the existing e******n system. I do NOT trust the process. I do NOT believe the numbers reported in the swing states. And I very much doubt any reasonably objective American does, either. I am completely convinced that the Democrat party, at multiple levels, committed v***r f***d. Was it the determining factor in Trump losing? I do not know. Maybe not. That does not mean that it should not be investigated. As to recounts.....those mostly hand counted the v**es. Little or nothing was done to verify the legitimacy of each v**e. The Democrats and the left fight with outrage and legal manipulation and law suits every time a detailed investigation is talked about or attempted. I will ask again. Why, if they are not trying to hide something?
An honest and bipartisan investigation would resolve the issue and restore faith in the system. Nothing else will.

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Jul 22, 2022 13:28:53   #
EmilyD
 
Haski123 wrote:
Why do you focus on H****r and not every other violator of the things you state he’s done. He is not in the administration. Does anyone else use family name as influence, is that against the law? Let’s focus on people in the administrations not their kids ( unless they are in the administration). Regarding biased items if you use the same criteria for all ( like govt or public records) then they are comparing apples to apples facts are relative/ comparable non biased and only conclusions drawn can be biased. Regarding ideological vs reasoned, I have no hidden agenda, the world isn’t perfect, all Republican are not good, and Democrats are all not bad or visa versa. Trying to understand peoples positions on items, understand why and formulate my stand and share. Sometimes what I read strengthens my position sometimes weakens it or causes me to rethink and change. Allows me to understand all sides of items analyze and decide what my opinion is.
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He's the First Son. If Don Jr. was doing anything NEAR what H****r is getting away with, he would be in jail right now.

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Jul 22, 2022 13:32:09   #
EmilyD
 
Haski123 wrote:
I believe you have correctly stated chain of command that would take place should Biden & Harris be impeached. To my knowledge no information exists that anyone on Democratic side planned, coerced, or took actions that would have changed the outcome of the e******n- so that in itself is a long shot, so long I don’t feel based on investigations, litigations, audits done by numerous bodies it’s even worth further consideration. The way forward is to support the constitution which means support the duly majority elected, certified, government administration( Exec Branch , Supreme Court, & fed & state congresses, Governors, mayors, local officials) as best you can. Push them for the changes you feel are needed, and encourage everyone to v**e in 2022/2024 and see what happens. The e******n process is not perfect, but is solid, well controlled and catches most anomalies and has processes for recourse should concerns arise. We all need to have faith in the process going forward. That’s my view. Some work can be done to improve e******n system but I feel the 2020 e******n has demonstrated it’s very solid process now. Regarding inflation, gas just one factor, that is a problem, hopefully actions being taken by govt will correct the trend that is affecting most Americans.
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What about the 2016 e******n? Do you believe that Trump r****d it?

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Jul 22, 2022 14:14:11   #
Haski123
 
RandyBrian wrote:
I hear you, and understand, but because of the reasons I have stated already, I do NOT trust the existing e******n system. I do NOT trust the process. I do NOT believe the numbers reported in the swing states. And I very much doubt any reasonably objective American does, either. I am completely convinced that the Democrat party, at multiple levels, committed v***r f***d. Was it the determining factor in Trump losing? I do not know. Maybe not. That does not mean that it should not be investigated. As to recounts.....those mostly hand counted the v**es. Little or nothing was done to verify the legitimacy of each v**e. The Democrats and the left fight with outrage and legal manipulation and law suits every time a detailed investigation is talked about or attempted. I will ask again. Why, if they are not trying to hide something?
An honest and bipartisan investigation would resolve the issue and restore faith in the system. Nothing else will.
I hear you, and understand, but because of the rea... (show quote)

Yes the rhetoric around the 2020 e******n conspiracy theories around e******n f***d have made doubters out of many. I’m not aware of detailed investigations that have been stopped by lawsuits. I haven’t heard any Democrats indicating they have anything to hide, taxpayers don’t want to waste their money on unfounded audits though. I am aware of numerous federal, state investigations, numerous recounts, count verifications and audits, Republican led, independent outside auditors and in most swing states(WI, AZ,Georgia for certain) that found no fraud significant enough to change e******n outcome. DOJ, FBI have also looked at e******n irregularities and found no irregularities that would change the outcome. So where do you propose the honest, bipartisan investigation should begin and by who?

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Jul 22, 2022 22:35:11   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Haski123 wrote:
Yes the rhetoric around the 2020 e******n conspiracy theories around e******n f***d have made doubters out of many. I’m not aware of detailed investigations that have been stopped by lawsuits. I haven’t heard any Democrats indicating they have anything to hide, taxpayers don’t want to waste their money on unfounded audits though. I am aware of numerous federal, state investigations, numerous recounts, count verifications and audits, Republican led, independent outside auditors and in most swing states(WI, AZ,Georgia for certain) that found no fraud significant enough to change e******n outcome. DOJ, FBI have also looked at e******n irregularities and found no irregularities that would change the outcome. So where do you propose the honest, bipartisan investigation should begin and by who?
Yes the rhetoric around the 2020 e******n conspira... (show quote)


A select committee of Congress, with an equal division between each party, with the members of the committee chosen by the leader of that party. Ideally, it would consist of equal numbers of Senators and Congressmen. Members would have to be people that their side trusts to be honest and t***hful.

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Jul 23, 2022 10:00:38   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
RandyBrian wrote:
A select committee of Congress, with an equal division between each party, with the members of the committee chosen by the leader of that party. Ideally, it would consist of equal numbers of Senators and Congressmen. Members would have to be people that their side trusts to be honest and t***hful.


Impossible!
There’s very few if any honest democrats!

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Jul 23, 2022 10:02:19   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Impossible!
There’s very few if any honest democrats!

Politicians.

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Jul 23, 2022 10:11:45   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
JR-57 wrote:
Politicians.


Thanks for the correction!

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Jul 23, 2022 15:21:46   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Impossible!
There’s very few if any honest democrats!


Valid point. We can only hope for the best of a poor lot.

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