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Jul 2, 2022 10:08:24   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Gatsby wrote:
So, what you are saying is that: Public schools cannot compete with private schools, on a level playing field,

and I reckon that you're right about that.


Free schools vs “Pay as you” go schools.
While the taxpayer money being paid to free public schools to operate will also be going to private schools as is today.
Betsy DeVoss is collecting more taxpayer money every year that goes by . While destroying the Public Schools in the Process.
Privatized Education ….what could go wrong there ?
Except the largest portion of the population couldn’t afford it.
And the curriculum would be a private matter.

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Jul 2, 2022 10:12:30   #
Truth be known
 
ACP45 wrote:
Get real, Peter. Let the public choose how they want their kids educated. If a "public school" is doing a good job, the public will support it. If, on the other hand, the public school is doing it's job poorly, then like any other business enterprise, it will fail and go out of business. Let the marketplace decide winners and losers. It works for all other sorts of economic activity, why not education?????


Your idea would work only if parents knew what their children are being taught. Parent's send their children to school to "learn" at this point, they no longer monitor their children or their education, parents only know that the children are in "school".....learning, and the parents can forget about the children for the next 5 to 8 hours, depending on the "education facility". People today are so busy attempting to achieve, what their presumption is, of the American Dream. Just like they were programmed to do. The "Dream" is not a fancy house, an expensive car, nor a job that pays a lot of money (the job that requires you to give your all to them). The American Dream is to be able to support yourself and your family, have a secure place to live, have food on the table, have clothing on your back, and be able to have the time to spend with family and friends, which are the most valuable treasures.

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Jul 2, 2022 10:18:01   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Gatsby wrote:
So, what you are saying is that: Public schools cannot compete with private schools, on a level playing field,

and I reckon that you're right about that.


Nope.
Privatization is merely a redirection of payments.
Average colleges today have 4 or less professors on campus.
Yet college costs are higher than they’ve even been . Why ?
It means fire half of your employees,
lay off 1/3 if what’s left, and put the rest on part time status .
Profit.
For today, and profit for creating a lifetime debt that will never be paid off.
Capitalism at its finest.
Unregulated and pure …Profit.

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Jul 2, 2022 10:45:05   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
currahee506 wrote:
Since the Sixties' has the government schools done a good job of turning out patriotic and hard working-responsible independent-middle class kids?


No, not since the sixties

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Jul 2, 2022 12:26:47   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Free schools vs “Pay as you” go schools.
While the taxpayer money being paid to free public schools to operate will also be going to private schools as is today.
Betsy DeVoss is collecting more taxpayer money every year that goes by . While destroying the Public Schools in the Process.
Privatized Education ….what could go wrong there ?
Except the largest portion of the population couldn’t afford it.
And the curriculum would be a private matter.


Though for the last 30 years education system in the US has slipped to 36th position from the 1st in the world

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Jul 2, 2022 15:04:51   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Free schools vs “Pay as you” go schools.
While the taxpayer money being paid to free public schools to operate will also be going to private schools as is today.
Betsy DeVoss is collecting more taxpayer money every year that goes by . While destroying the Public Schools in the Process.
Privatized Education ….what could go wrong there ?
Except the largest portion of the population couldn’t afford it.
And the curriculum would be a private matter.

One more time. Public schools ARE NOT FREE.

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Jul 2, 2022 15:52:30   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
Ah, they've been trying to k**l public education for decades. What they don't understand is that private schools have the same 'choice' that they will so why do they think their backward knuckle-d**gging children will be among those chosen to attend their schools? Vouchers mean nothing if there are no schools for their children to attend!
Hi, Pete, try on this shoe, it should fit you quite comfortably.

Yuri Bezmenov, the son of a high-ranking Soviet officer, became a member of the Novasti Press Agency – the elite propaganda arm of the KGB. In the early 1980s, Bezmenov defected to Canada and later to the United States where he gave a series of interviews and lectures warning America of how Soviet tactics were organized into 4 stages to o*******w a free nation. He called this "ideological subversion"

He described the 4 stages:

1st stage: Demoralization - target the education system. Educate (indoctrinate) an entire generation in Marxist ideology. This could take 15 to 20 years to complete because "this is the minimum number of years it takes to educate one generation of students". (We now have at least 3 generations of indoctrinated Americans.)
Bezmenov explained that demoralization is important because it robs the targeted population of its ability to process valid information. Even when demoralized targets are “showered with authentic proof” of contrary positions, they simply “refuse to believe it.”

“Marxist-Leninist ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism,” he warned in 1984, judging that the demoralization process had been “basically completed” by that point.

“Actually, it’s over-fulfilled, because demoralization now reaches such areas where previously, not even Comrade Andropov (former KGB head and Soviet leader Yuri Andropov) and all of his experts would even dream of such tremendous success. Most of it is done by Americans to Americans, thanks to a lack of moral standards.”

In a speech in 1956, Nikita Khrushchev said, "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept c*******m outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have c*******m. We won't have to fight you. We'll so weaken your economy until you'll fall like overripe fruit into our hands.
We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within. The United States will eventually fly the C*******t f**g and the American people will hoist it themselves."


2nd stage: Destabilization - target the economy, foreign relations, and defense system.
Bezmenov found it “absolutely fantastic” how much influence Marxist-Leninist ideas had developed in the American economy and military. In essence, a demoralized population becomes willing to believe the worst criticisms of its own society, while learning to see defenders of that society as their enemies, while avowed enemies become natural allies. The defenders are held to strict standards, while anything goes for the most strident critics.
It’s easy to see how the American Left has destabilized entire segments of modern society after demoralizing them. They see enemies everywhere, while no pro-American authority can be trusted.

3rd stage: Crisis - create violent changes to the power structure and the economy.
Once a society has been destabilized, Bezmenov said the time would be ripe to create a Crisis, which he estimated would take six to eight weeks in the Eighties. With turbo Internet speed, the modern era can punch out a crisis much faster than that.

A crisis has the obvious benefit of panicking demoralized, destabilized people into abandoning their legal protections and constitutional ideals. During the c****av***s panic, people who brought up those ideals were treated like lunatics. The pendulum swung the other way with blinding speed during the r**ts. In the span of one week, the right to peaceable assembly went from a crazed defiance of common-sense lockdown rules to an urgent matter that utterly transcended the deadly p******c.

The more subtle benefit of a crisis is that it tends to de-legitimize aspects of the existing system that have already been softened up by the long process of demoralization and destabilization. Those who control the organs of public communication (The Media) have the power to decide which aspects of the system are supposedly indicted by the crisis. The threat of a crisis is essential for terrorizing the middle class into accepting a political agenda that is actively hostile to its interests, which leads to the fourth stage of subversion: the offer to make the pain and fear go away by accepting political domination.

4th stage: Normalization - “After a crisis, with a violent change of the power structure and economy, you have a so-called period of Normalization that may last indefinitely,” This is what will happen in the United States if you allow all the schmucks to bring the country to crisis, to promise people all kinds of goodies and a paradise on Earth, to destabilize your economy, to eliminate the principle of free-market competition, and to put a Big Brother government in Washington, D.C. with benevolent dictators like Obama, now Biden & Co, who will promise lots of things – never mind whether the promises are fulfillable or not."

Bezmenov’s four-step model of subversion could be applied to almost any political campaign. They almost all begin with telling v**ers things are awful, crises have erupted, and normality can be restored only by v****g for the challenger (or preserved only by v****g for the incumbent).

Bezmenov, however, was insistent that American left-wing professors and civil-rights leaders were deliberately running Andropov’s strategy with a conscious effort to achieve destabilization, the step that truly distinguishes ideological subversion from the usual promises to put a chicken in every pot.

“They are instrumental in the process of subversion only to destabilize a nation,” he said of the academics and activists. “When their job is completed, they are not needed anymore. They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist-Leninists come to power, obviously they get offended. They think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot.”

The American version of this process probably would not end with the mass execution of inconvenient intellectuals, but there is a parallel in what would happen to the intellectual supporters of the current r**ts if the Democrats win in 2020.

NOTE Some of what I've posted here comes from a report published in June, 2020.

P.S. Anyone who feels the need to refute this information needs to understand what the Normalization stage truly means. You've heard the term "The New Normal"? Think about that before you respond.





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Jul 2, 2022 16:26:56   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Hi, Pete, try on this shoe, it should fit you quite comfortably.

Yuri Bezmenov, the son of a high-ranking Soviet officer, became a member of the Novasti Press Agency – the elite propaganda arm of the KGB. In the early 1980s, Bezmenov defected to Canada and later to the United States where he gave a series of interviews and lectures warning America of how Soviet tactics were organized into 4 stages to o*******w a free nation. He called this "ideological subversion"

He described the 4 stages:

1st stage: Demoralization - target the education system. Educate (indoctrinate) an entire generation in Marxist ideology. This could take 15 to 20 years to complete because "this is the minimum number of years it takes to educate one generation of students". (We now have at least 3 generations of indoctrinated Americans.)
Bezmenov explained that demoralization is important because it robs the targeted population of its ability to process valid information. Even when demoralized targets are “showered with authentic proof” of contrary positions, they simply “refuse to believe it.”

“Marxist-Leninist ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism,” he warned in 1984, judging that the demoralization process had been “basically completed” by that point.

“Actually, it’s over-fulfilled, because demoralization now reaches such areas where previously, not even Comrade Andropov (former KGB head and Soviet leader Yuri Andropov) and all of his experts would even dream of such tremendous success. Most of it is done by Americans to Americans, thanks to a lack of moral standards.”

In a speech in 1956, Nikita Khrushchev said, "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept c*******m outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have c*******m. We won't have to fight you. We'll so weaken your economy until you'll fall like overripe fruit into our hands.
We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within. The United States will eventually fly the C*******t f**g and the American people will hoist it themselves."


2nd stage: Destabilization - target the economy, foreign relations, and defense system.
Bezmenov found it “absolutely fantastic” how much influence Marxist-Leninist ideas had developed in the American economy and military. In essence, a demoralized population becomes willing to believe the worst criticisms of its own society, while learning to see defenders of that society as their enemies, while avowed enemies become natural allies. The defenders are held to strict standards, while anything goes for the most strident critics.
It’s easy to see how the American Left has destabilized entire segments of modern society after demoralizing them. They see enemies everywhere, while no pro-American authority can be trusted.

3rd stage: Crisis - create violent changes to the power structure and the economy.
Once a society has been destabilized, Bezmenov said the time would be ripe to create a Crisis, which he estimated would take six to eight weeks in the Eighties. With turbo Internet speed, the modern era can punch out a crisis much faster than that.

A crisis has the obvious benefit of panicking demoralized, destabilized people into abandoning their legal protections and constitutional ideals. During the c****av***s panic, people who brought up those ideals were treated like lunatics. The pendulum swung the other way with blinding speed during the r**ts. In the span of one week, the right to peaceable assembly went from a crazed defiance of common-sense lockdown rules to an urgent matter that utterly transcended the deadly p******c.

The more subtle benefit of a crisis is that it tends to de-legitimize aspects of the existing system that have already been softened up by the long process of demoralization and destabilization. Those who control the organs of public communication (The Media) have the power to decide which aspects of the system are supposedly indicted by the crisis. The threat of a crisis is essential for terrorizing the middle class into accepting a political agenda that is actively hostile to its interests, which leads to the fourth stage of subversion: the offer to make the pain and fear go away by accepting political domination.

4th stage: Normalization - “After a crisis, with a violent change of the power structure and economy, you have a so-called period of Normalization that may last indefinitely,” This is what will happen in the United States if you allow all the schmucks to bring the country to crisis, to promise people all kinds of goodies and a paradise on Earth, to destabilize your economy, to eliminate the principle of free-market competition, and to put a Big Brother government in Washington, D.C. with benevolent dictators like Obama, now Biden & Co, who will promise lots of things – never mind whether the promises are fulfillable or not."

Bezmenov’s four-step model of subversion could be applied to almost any political campaign. They almost all begin with telling v**ers things are awful, crises have erupted, and normality can be restored only by v****g for the challenger (or preserved only by v****g for the incumbent).

Bezmenov, however, was insistent that American left-wing professors and civil-rights leaders were deliberately running Andropov’s strategy with a conscious effort to achieve destabilization, the step that truly distinguishes ideological subversion from the usual promises to put a chicken in every pot.

“They are instrumental in the process of subversion only to destabilize a nation,” he said of the academics and activists. “When their job is completed, they are not needed anymore. They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist-Leninists come to power, obviously they get offended. They think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot.”

The American version of this process probably would not end with the mass execution of inconvenient intellectuals, but there is a parallel in what would happen to the intellectual supporters of the current r**ts if the Democrats win in 2020.

NOTE Some of what I've posted here comes from a report published in June, 2020.

P.S. Anyone who feels the need to refute this information needs to understand what the Normalization stage truly means. You've heard the term "The New Normal"? Think about that before you respond.
Hi, Pete, try on this shoe, it should fit you quit... (show quote)

Excellent. Absolutely Excellent. 🇺🇸 Thank you for the refresher.

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Jul 2, 2022 16:37:02   #
Big Bass
 
Geo wrote:
Here's the plan. Give large vouchers for private schools, and once public schools are defunded and close up. The Republicans will reduce and remove the vouchers. The middle class and poor are stuck without public school and the wealthy are not having to pay taxes for the poors education. Which is the goal and has been for decades.


Thanks for the info, geode for brains.That is probably exactly what the leftie a$$holes are going to do. Has your membership to the human race expired?

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Jul 2, 2022 17:20:03   #
Iliamna Loc: Born in Ca, but raised in Montana. Went to Un
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Hi, Pete, try on this shoe, it should fit you quite comfortably.

Yuri Bezmenov, the son of a high-ranking Soviet officer, became a member of the Novasti Press Agency – the elite propaganda arm of the KGB. In the early 1980s, Bezmenov defected to Canada and later to the United States where he gave a series of interviews and lectures warning America of how Soviet tactics were organized into 4 stages to o*******w a free nation. He called this "ideological subversion"

He described the 4 stages:

1st stage: Demoralization - target the education system. Educate (indoctrinate) an entire generation in Marxist ideology. This could take 15 to 20 years to complete because "this is the minimum number of years it takes to educate one generation of students". (We now have at least 3 generations of indoctrinated Americans.)
Bezmenov explained that demoralization is important because it robs the targeted population of its ability to process valid information. Even when demoralized targets are “showered with authentic proof” of contrary positions, they simply “refuse to believe it.”

“Marxist-Leninist ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism,” he warned in 1984, judging that the demoralization process had been “basically completed” by that point.

“Actually, it’s over-fulfilled, because demoralization now reaches such areas where previously, not even Comrade Andropov (former KGB head and Soviet leader Yuri Andropov) and all of his experts would even dream of such tremendous success. Most of it is done by Americans to Americans, thanks to a lack of moral standards.”

In a speech in 1956, Nikita Khrushchev said, "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept c*******m outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have c*******m. We won't have to fight you. We'll so weaken your economy until you'll fall like overripe fruit into our hands.
We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within. The United States will eventually fly the C*******t f**g and the American people will hoist it themselves."


2nd stage: Destabilization - target the economy, foreign relations, and defense system.
Bezmenov found it “absolutely fantastic” how much influence Marxist-Leninist ideas had developed in the American economy and military. In essence, a demoralized population becomes willing to believe the worst criticisms of its own society, while learning to see defenders of that society as their enemies, while avowed enemies become natural allies. The defenders are held to strict standards, while anything goes for the most strident critics.
It’s easy to see how the American Left has destabilized entire segments of modern society after demoralizing them. They see enemies everywhere, while no pro-American authority can be trusted.

3rd stage: Crisis - create violent changes to the power structure and the economy.
Once a society has been destabilized, Bezmenov said the time would be ripe to create a Crisis, which he estimated would take six to eight weeks in the Eighties. With turbo Internet speed, the modern era can punch out a crisis much faster than that.

A crisis has the obvious benefit of panicking demoralized, destabilized people into abandoning their legal protections and constitutional ideals. During the c****av***s panic, people who brought up those ideals were treated like lunatics. The pendulum swung the other way with blinding speed during the r**ts. In the span of one week, the right to peaceable assembly went from a crazed defiance of common-sense lockdown rules to an urgent matter that utterly transcended the deadly p******c.

The more subtle benefit of a crisis is that it tends to de-legitimize aspects of the existing system that have already been softened up by the long process of demoralization and destabilization. Those who control the organs of public communication (The Media) have the power to decide which aspects of the system are supposedly indicted by the crisis. The threat of a crisis is essential for terrorizing the middle class into accepting a political agenda that is actively hostile to its interests, which leads to the fourth stage of subversion: the offer to make the pain and fear go away by accepting political domination.

4th stage: Normalization - “After a crisis, with a violent change of the power structure and economy, you have a so-called period of Normalization that may last indefinitely,” This is what will happen in the United States if you allow all the schmucks to bring the country to crisis, to promise people all kinds of goodies and a paradise on Earth, to destabilize your economy, to eliminate the principle of free-market competition, and to put a Big Brother government in Washington, D.C. with benevolent dictators like Obama, now Biden & Co, who will promise lots of things – never mind whether the promises are fulfillable or not."

Bezmenov’s four-step model of subversion could be applied to almost any political campaign. They almost all begin with telling v**ers things are awful, crises have erupted, and normality can be restored only by v****g for the challenger (or preserved only by v****g for the incumbent).

Bezmenov, however, was insistent that American left-wing professors and civil-rights leaders were deliberately running Andropov’s strategy with a conscious effort to achieve destabilization, the step that truly distinguishes ideological subversion from the usual promises to put a chicken in every pot.

“They are instrumental in the process of subversion only to destabilize a nation,” he said of the academics and activists. “When their job is completed, they are not needed anymore. They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist-Leninists come to power, obviously they get offended. They think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot.”

The American version of this process probably would not end with the mass execution of inconvenient intellectuals, but there is a parallel in what would happen to the intellectual supporters of the current r**ts if the Democrats win in 2020.

NOTE Some of what I've posted here comes from a report published in June, 2020.

P.S. Anyone who feels the need to refute this information needs to understand what the Normalization stage truly means. You've heard the term "The New Normal"? Think about that before you respond.
Hi, Pete, try on this shoe, it should fit you quit... (show quote)


Excellent post and SO TRUE! I attended p9ublic schools throughout the 50's and 60's and then, there was no anti-American indoctrination. HOWEVER, many of the current public schools, especially those in Democratically controlled cities and states have become cess pools ofi anti-American hatred, pro-atheism, anti any kind of moral compass to the point that many of our nation's children are confused about many basic things including what g****r they are. The ONLY logical response to this is vouchers, to allow poorer students into private schools where there are taught that 2 +2 = 4 and not wh**ever their whim of the day tells them it is. In many cases, home schooling is even better (Abraham Lincoln was home schooled with the use a Bible and see where that got him).
Our public education system is failing and there are alternatives.. Iliamna

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Jul 2, 2022 20:48:18   #
Geo
 
microphor wrote:
Where the f you get something like that from? Your indoctonators.


Well let me tell you where the f I got that from. I'll tell you and all the other ignorant commenters on this thread.
This is not new, it's not a secret, Republicans have been de-funding public school across the nation. You should have been aware.

School's out forever: Arizona moves "to k**l public education" with new universal voucher law
Families who bail on public school will get $7,000 per kid in GOP's new scheme: "Every red state" urged to follow
By Kathryn Joyce
Published July 1, 2022 6:00AM (EDT)
Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey speaks during a rally for President Donald Trump at the International Air Response


Last Friday, while the country reeled from the Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade, Arizona made history of a different sort. Legislators in the Grand Canyon State passed a universal school voucher bill that, once signed by Gov. Doug Ducey, will become the most wide-reaching school privatization plan in the country.

In his January State of the State address, Ducey called on Arizona lawmakers to send him bills that would "expand school choice any way we can," and the Republican-dominated legislature obliged, delivering last Friday's bill, which will open a preexisting program for Empowerment Scholarship Accounts (ESAs) up to the entire state. In practice, the law will now give parents who opt out of public schools a debit card for roughly $7,000 per child that can be used to pay for private school tuition, but also for much more: for religious schools, homeschool expenses, tutoring, online classes, education supplies and fees associated with "microschools," in which small groups of parents pool resources to hire teachers.

Ducey said the law had "set the gold standard in educational freedom" in the country, and right-wing politicians and education activists quickly agreed. Corey DeAngelis, the research director of Betsy DeVos' school privatization lobby group American Federation for Children, declared on Twitter that Arizona "just took first place" when it comes to school choice. Anti-critical race theory activist Christopher Rufo — the Manhattan Institute fellow who this spring called for fostering "universal public school distrust" in order to build support for "universal school choice" — tweeted, "Every red state in the country should follow [Ducey's] lead," since the law "gives every family a right to exit any public school that fails to educate their children or reflect their values."


From the American Enterprise Institute, education researcher Max Eden happily concluded that "Arizona now funds students, not systems," deploying a formulation that has become common among conservative education activists, as when last week the Moms for Liberty network chastised Arizona public school advocates who opposed the bill as "system advocates" rather than "education advocates." From Rhode Island, anti-CRT activist Nicole Solas, a fellow with the right-wing Independent Women's Forum, tweeted, "You know what happens when you abuse people? People leave you. Bye, public school."

And back in Arizona, the Goldwater Institute, a libertarian think tank founded in honor of former senator and right-wing icon Barry Goldwater, celebrated the law it had done much to create as a "major victory for families wary of a one-size-fits-all approach to education," plus a cost-saving measure to boot, since the total funding parents would receive through ESA vouchers is $4,000 less than Arizona's already paltry per-pupil funding for public schools.


By contrast, Democratic politicians and public education advocates described the law as the potential "nail in the coffin" for public schools in Arizona, as Beth Lewis, director of Save Our Schools Arizona (SOS Arizona) put it.

"The Republican universal voucher system is designed to k**l public education," tweeted former Arizona House Rep. Diego Rodriguez. "OUR nation's greatness is built on free Public schools. The GOP goal is to recreate segregation, expand the opportunity gap, and destroy the foundation of our democracy."

"I think it's a very serious mistake and the result will be that, within a decade, Arizona will have a very, very poorly educated adult population," added Carol Corbett Burris, executive director of the Network for Public Education. "Maybe that's the game."

* * *

For years, SOS Arizona says, their state has been treated as a "laboratory for predatory national privatizers" of education. When Betsy DeVos founded another of her advocacy groups, Alliance for School Choice, on the 50th anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education decision, as the progressive White Hat Research & Policy Group noted in a 2019 report, it was headquartered in Phoenix. When the Network for Public Education graded states' commitment to public education in a "report card" earlier this year, Arizona came in last. For years, the Goldwater Institute and its allies have advanced an array of programs to expand public funding of private schools, including, in 2011, shepherding the country's first-ever ESA program into law, and thus launching a national model.
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The 2011 Arizona law that created ESAs — under which parents of eligible students who agreed in writing to opt out of public schools could receive vouchers ranging from $3,000 to more than $30,000 — was initially conceived in reaction to a conservative defeat. In 2006, just a few years after DeVos infamously called on conservative Christians to adopt "school choice" as a cause and a means of "greater Kingdom gain," Arizona passed two voucher programs. But three years later, both were found to be unconstitutional means of redirecting public funds to private schools.


In response, the Goldwater Institute developed the ESA concept as a workaround, giving the public funds directly to parents to spend as they saw fit, including on sectarian schools. (While in Arizona, "ESA" refers to Empowerment Scholarship Accounts, the same abbreviation is also used to cover similar programs with different titles, like "education scholarship accounts.") To public education advocates like Charles Siler, cofounder of the progressive political consultancy firm Agave Strategy, the program amounted to "a money laundering scheme to get around the Blaine Amendments" — the state-level amendments that, until another groundbreaking SCOTUS decision last week, barred taxpayer funds in most states from being used to fund religious schools.


But that's not how it was sold. From its inception, says Lewis, ESAs were presented as a solution for high-needs students who required specialized education options. Then they were systematically expanded to include group after group: students in F-rated schools, in foster care, in active-duty military families, on Native American reservations.

"The people who were pushing this through knew what they were doing — that they were going to expand this incrementally through sympathetic populations," said Lewis. "And it didn't raise huge amounts of opposition because people didn't see the game plan at the time."

"The basic sales pitch was that schools are failing, and don't meet the needs of children," agreed Siler. While today Siler is a progressive public education advocate, a decade ago he worked as a lobbyist and PR staffer for the Goldwater Institute, helping other states follow Arizona's lead in setting up ESA programs. "We definitely leaned into marginalized communities as much as we could. In Arizona, we started with special needs students. If we could use Black children as the face of our programs, we'd do it in a heartbeat, even though all of this is really about taxpayer-funded white flight and Christian nationalism."


"If we could use Black children as the face of our programs, we'd do it in a heartbeat, even though this is really about taxpayer-funded white flight and Christian nationalism."

To demonstrate that point, Siler pointed to one of the figures who drove ESA and other conservative school privatization campaigns for years: Clint Bolick, who, before being appointed by Ducey as an Arizona Supreme Court associate justice, served as the Goldwater Institute's director of litigation, the first president of DeVos' Alliance for School Choice and cofounder of the Arizona libertarian law firm Institute for Justice. In the late 1990s, the New York Times dubbed Bolick the "political right's point man on race," for his two-year fight against the Civil Rights Act of 1991, his campaign against affirmative action and his work to scuttle the Department of Justice nomination of the late Lani Guinier, the first Black woman to be tenured at Harvard Law School, by labeling her a "quota queen." More recently, the White Hat report described Bolick's legacy as "primarily focused on laying the legal groundwork for a national disinvestment in public education in favor of free market education reforms."
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But in 2017, says Lewis, Arizona's education privatizers overreached, passing a law providing for universal voucher expansion. In response, a grassroots group of educators and parents launched a citizens' initiative referendum campaign and put the issue on the b****t. In 2018, that led to a landslide repudiation of the law, with 65% of Arizonans v****g against it — a nearly two-to-one margin.

As Arizona Republic columnist Laurie Roberts recently recalled, Arizona's v**ers "didn't just reject" the scheme: "They stoned the thing, then they tossed it in the street and ran over it. Then they backed up and ran over it again."

That came as a rude shock for the privatization movement, says Siler. "They thought Arizona was this playground where you could do wh**ever you want, see what works, then export it to Florida, Tennessee or wherever. This was the first time they had a big loss." But the win came with its own repercussions, Siler continued, as conservatives responded by taking steps to overhaul the citizen initiative process in Arizona, working to disqualify some b****t initiatives in court and crafting legislation that required new supermajorities to pass an initiative into law.
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Now, less than four years after that public rejection of universal vouchers, Lewis says, Republican lawmakers have returned with a law that's even worse than the one passed in 2017, immediately making every child in the state who is already in private school or being homeschooled eligible for the new funds — leading to an immediate cost increase of nearly $600 million, and opening the door for all of Arizona's 1.1 million public school students to follow suit.

* * *

Since Arizona pioneered ESAs in 2011, similar programs have been launched in a number of other states. Among conservative education reform advocates, they've become a favored model. Last July, as the right was ramping up its attacks on public schools over p******c safety measures, CRT and more, the AEI's Max Eden warned that simply allowing public funding of private schools was an insufficient bulwark against "wokeness," since too many private schools were under the sway of accreditation bodies that had already "gone woke." Instead, Eden told the right-wing outlet Washington Free Beacon, state legislatures should promote ESAs, which would allow those funds to be spent on non-accredited schools — or almost anything else, for that matter.


In praising Arizona's new law this week, Eden wrote that ESAs represent "the purest form of school choice," adding that they might spark the proliferation of microschools, opening what had been a "luxury good" for wealthy families during the p******c to all Arizona families. He praised entrepreneurs who had t***sformed small microschool pods into companies that now offer their curricula of "self-paced Chromebook lessons and group problem-based learning" to the broader public, as well as established charter school networks, like the Texas- and Arizona-based Great Hearts Academy, that have expanded into the microschool business. (In 2018, Great Hearts drew national headlines after one of its Texas instructors directed students to list the pros and cons of s***ery.) Eden also suggested that ESA-funded microschools might become a boon for teachers, since educators who go freelance and successfully advertise their services to the parents of a dozen kids, could potentially "draw nearly $80,000 in public funding," amounting to a higher salary than the median public school teacher pay, even after deducting their expenses.

But what Eden heralded as the entrepreneurial reboot of "the one-room schoolhouse" in private families' homes is seen in grimmer terms by public school advocates. Both microschools and the sorts of private schools fueled by widespread voucher use, they say, tend to leave the quality of education students receive largely up to chance.
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"It's easy to set up a one-room shop in a strip mall, give every kid a Chromebook and a plaid skirt, and tell parents they're on an accelerated curriculum." And it's just as easy for those schools to "close up shop whenever they want."

In Florida, as a 2017 Orlando Sentinel investigation found, massive voucher expansion led to the creation of low-cost but low-quality "voucher schools": private schools inexpensive enough that low-income parents could cover their tuition with voucher funds alone, but so poorly regulated that repeated problems arose — schools set up in decrepit strip malls, schools that violated health and safety requirements, schools that hired teachers without credentials. The same situation holds in Arizona, said Lewis, and even a Goldwater Institute report found that ESA benefits would only cover about two-thirds of the median tuition for the state's private high schools.


While the words "private school" conjure an image of stone and ivy in most people's minds, in school districts like South Phoenix, which primarily serves low-income families of color, Lewis said, "you're not going to all of a sudden have a gleaming new Notre Dame prep school."

End of part one

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Jul 2, 2022 20:50:10   #
Geo
 
microphor wrote:
Where the f you get something like that from? Your indoctonators.


Part Two: Scools out forever

"It's very easy to set up a one-room shop in a strip mall, give every kid a Chromebook and a plaid skirt, tell parents they're on an accelerated curriculum and take that $7,000," said Lewis. But it's equally easy for those schools to "close up shop whenever they want," as numerous low-quality voucher schools have been known to do, leaving students stranded partway through the school year. When that happens, said Lewis, "There's no recourse to claw those funds back."

As Arizona's new law was making its way through the legislature, reported Arizona's 12 News, Democratic lawmakers tried to add accountability and t***sparency measures, including testing mandates, background checks for employees hired with ESA funds and demographic tracking to ensure the program wasn't just subsidizing private school tuition for rich families who didn't need it. But none of those things made it into the final bill, shot down by arguments like that of bill sponsor and House Majority Leader Ben Toma, who argued that parents must serve as the "ultimate authority. They know what's best for their children, and we should trust them to do the right thing."
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Unfortunately, said Carol Corbett Burris, ESA programs have already demonstrated problems with that approach, through numerous cases of fraud, in which parents used the funds for things other than their children's education.

"There are no real checks to make sure children receive the education they deserve, no proof parents have to provide that their children learned," said Burris. Even among the vast majority of parents who would use the funds as intended, she added, "You have people with absolutely no education credentials in charge of students, and nobody checking to ensure the education is of any quality at all."

"It's like an insurance company giving parents of a sick child $7,000 and saying, 'We don't care if you go to a physician or a dentist — take that money and do what you believe is best," Burris continued. "Parents may know best about many things, but they're not professional educators any more than they are doctors, dentists or nurses."

"It's like an insurance company giving parents of a sick child $7,000 and saying, 'We don't care if you go to a physician or a dentist — take that money and do what you believe is best.'"
Advertisement:

What's more, SOS Arizona pointed out, the ESA funds could also be used to send taxpayer funding to the sort of private school being established by Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk, who recently announced plans to start a network of anti-"woke" Turning Point Academies, first in Arizona, then around the country. The first such school, with more than 600 students, is set to open in Glendale this fall, as the result of a partnership between Kirk and Phoenix megachurch Dream City. According to Newsweek, the academy will ban CRT, the New York Times' "1619 Project" and what it calls "radical L**T agendas." Those 600-plus students, Lewis notes, will add up to some "4 million taxpayer dollars that go straight into Kirk's academy."

* * *

On a larger level, the new law also speeds up the same sort of death spiral that has afflicted public schools across the country, by steadily draining funds away from public education. While the immediate cost of ESA expansion — for students already outside the public school system — will draw on Arizona's general funds, the money to cover children who leave public schools in coming years will be deducted from public school budgets.
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"When that happens, especially in rural areas, if enough kids leave the system, they leave behind all kinds of stranded costs," said Burris. Schools will still have to pay staff and keep the lights on, but will receive substantially less support to do so. "Then you have a vicious cycle, where the quality of education in public schools starts to suffer, which means more people leave, and the more people leave, the more the quality of education deteriorates."

That problem is compounded, adds Lewis, by the fact that private and charter schools are allowed to"cherry-pick" high-achieving students without special needs, while leaving higher-needs students in public schools as those schools are systematically drained of the resources to teach them well. That pattern, she continued, already means that one of Arizona's top charter schools regularly starts each of its classes with hundreds of students, but only a few dozen remain by graduation, since the school has pushed most lower-performing students out. And if such charters convert into private schools, as they're allowed to do, ESA expansion will mean they get more money and even looser regulation.
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"We know historically that when systems are opened up for everybody, students of color and low-income students never get the long straw, ever," said Lewis. "They use this terminology of choice, but what they fail to acknowledge is that it's the school's choice, every time."

Already, Arizona's investment in public education is dismal, ranking second-to-last in per-pupil funding nationwide. Last Friday, alongside the ESA expansion, Arizona's legislature also passed a budget that included a $400 million increase in public funding — enough, SOS Arizona noted, to potentially nudge Arizona's ranking up to 45th-worst — but that's complicated too. As Network for Public Education founder Diane Ravitch noted earlier this month, only half of that money is recurring, and all of it is contingent upon the voucher bill becoming law. That "poison pill," wrote Ravitch, was a clear effort to preempt a replay of public education advocates' 2018 b****t initiative, by holding the increase in school funding hostage to a privatization agenda.

To SOS Arizona, it amounted to "adding more money to the top of our education funding bucket while drilling massive holes in the bottom."
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"I think we're witnessing the dismantling of public education in our state," said Lewis. "Will it happen overnight? No. But the effects will be felt quickly and the blow to public schools will be unsustainable." If even a few kids leave a neighborhood school, the difference in funding is noticeable. If six or seven do, "that's a whole teacher [salary] down." In her own school, where Lewis teaches third grade, that sort of downsizing would mean the immediate increase of her class size of 27 students to more than 40. "Or do you make the cuts elsewhere? Do you cut special education, which has already been cut to the bone? Or music, arts and after-school programs, which have already been cut to the bone? Do you not have an assistant principal? Then how many students don't get what they need?"

"We are going to stop this by any means necessary," Lewis said, including e*******l work, public education, and possibly another b****t initiative, even if that means risking the "poison pill" cancellation of the state's newly increased public school funds. "All options are on the table."
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But all options, suggests Charles Siler, are also on the table for the other side. "One of the things people never fully comprehend is how far privatization advocates want to take things," he said. "They want to get rid of all public funding for education. Eventually vouchers will die off too." What will remain, he argues, will be a self-funded primary education system, funded by a lending market much as colleges are. Or as Lewis says, a "system of haves and have-nots."

Read more on the right's systematic assault on public education:

A new age of f*****t politics brings a war on youth — but young people are ready to resist
Betsy DeVos and Ron DeSantis: GOP dynamic duo team up to defund public schools
The guy who brought us CRT panic offers a new far-right agenda: Destroy public education


By Kathryn Joyce

Kathryn Joyce is an investigative reporter at Salon, and the author of two books: "The Child Catchers: Rescue, Trafficking and the New Gospel of Adoption" and "Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement."
MORE FROM Kathryn Joyce

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Jul 2, 2022 21:21:36   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Geo wrote:
Here's the plan. Give large vouchers for private schools, and once public schools are defunded and close up. The Republicans will reduce and remove the vouchers. The middle class and poor are stuck without public school and the wealthy are not having to pay taxes for the poors education. Which is the goal and has been for decades.


I am unsure how Republicans are going to manage this. Schools are paid for through property taxes. Unless it is your contention that every single jurisdiction is going to be run by Republicans, it is unlikely your belief can occur.

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Jul 2, 2022 21:23:25   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Geo wrote:
Part Two: Scools out forever

"It's very easy to set up a one-room shop in a strip mall, give every kid a Chromebook and a plaid skirt, tell parents they're on an accelerated curriculum and take that $7,000," said Lewis. But it's equally easy for those schools to "close up shop whenever they want," as numerous low-quality voucher schools have been known to do, leaving students stranded partway through the school year. When that happens, said Lewis, "There's no recourse to claw those funds back."


As Arizona's new law was making its way through the legislature, reported Arizona's 12 News, Democratic lawmakers tried to add accountability and t***sparency measures, including testing mandates, background checks for employees hired with ESA funds and demographic tracking to ensure the program wasn't just subsidizing private school tuition for rich families who didn't need it. But none of those things made it into the final bill, shot down by arguments like that of bill sponsor and House Majority Leader Ben Toma, who argued that parents must serve as the "ultimate authority. They know what's best for their children, and we should trust them to do the right thing."
Advertisement:

Unfortunately, said Carol Corbett Burris, ESA programs have already demonstrated problems with that approach, through numerous cases of fraud, in which parents used the funds for things other than their children's education.

"There are no real checks to make sure children receive the education they deserve, no proof parents have to provide that their children learned," said Burris. Even among the vast majority of parents who would use the funds as intended, she added, "You have people with absolutely no education credentials in charge of students, and nobody checking to ensure the education is of any quality at all."

"It's like an insurance company giving parents of a sick child $7,000 and saying, 'We don't care if you go to a physician or a dentist — take that money and do what you believe is best," Burris continued. "Parents may know best about many things, but they're not professional educators any more than they are doctors, dentists or nurses."

"It's like an insurance company giving parents of a sick child $7,000 and saying, 'We don't care if you go to a physician or a dentist — take that money and do what you believe is best.'"
Advertisement:

What's more, SOS Arizona pointed out, the ESA funds could also be used to send taxpayer funding to the sort of private school being established by Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk, who recently announced plans to start a network of anti-"woke" Turning Point Academies, first in Arizona, then around the country. The first such school, with more than 600 students, is set to open in Glendale this fall, as the result of a partnership between Kirk and Phoenix megachurch Dream City. According to Newsweek, the academy will ban CRT, the New York Times' "1619 Project" and what it calls "radical L**T agendas." Those 600-plus students, Lewis notes, will add up to some "4 million taxpayer dollars that go straight into Kirk's academy."

* * *

On a larger level, the new law also speeds up the same sort of death spiral that has afflicted public schools across the country, by steadily draining funds away from public education. While the immediate cost of ESA expansion — for students already outside the public school system — will draw on Arizona's general funds, the money to cover children who leave public schools in coming years will be deducted from public school budgets.
Advertisement:

"When that happens, especially in rural areas, if enough kids leave the system, they leave behind all kinds of stranded costs," said Burris. Schools will still have to pay staff and keep the lights on, but will receive substantially less support to do so. "Then you have a vicious cycle, where the quality of education in public schools starts to suffer, which means more people leave, and the more people leave, the more the quality of education deteriorates."

That problem is compounded, adds Lewis, by the fact that private and charter schools are allowed to"cherry-pick" high-achieving students without special needs, while leaving higher-needs students in public schools as those schools are systematically drained of the resources to teach them well. That pattern, she continued, already means that one of Arizona's top charter schools regularly starts each of its classes with hundreds of students, but only a few dozen remain by graduation, since the school has pushed most lower-performing students out. And if such charters convert into private schools, as they're allowed to do, ESA expansion will mean they get more money and even looser regulation.
Advertisement:

"We know historically that when systems are opened up for everybody, students of color and low-income students never get the long straw, ever," said Lewis. "They use this terminology of choice, but what they fail to acknowledge is that it's the school's choice, every time."

Already, Arizona's investment in public education is dismal, ranking second-to-last in per-pupil funding nationwide. Last Friday, alongside the ESA expansion, Arizona's legislature also passed a budget that included a $400 million increase in public funding — enough, SOS Arizona noted, to potentially nudge Arizona's ranking up to 45th-worst — but that's complicated too. As Network for Public Education founder Diane Ravitch noted earlier this month, only half of that money is recurring, and all of it is contingent upon the voucher bill becoming law. That "poison pill," wrote Ravitch, was a clear effort to preempt a replay of public education advocates' 2018 b****t initiative, by holding the increase in school funding hostage to a privatization agenda.

To SOS Arizona, it amounted to "adding more money to the top of our education funding bucket while drilling massive holes in the bottom."
Advertisement:

"I think we're witnessing the dismantling of public education in our state," said Lewis. "Will it happen overnight? No. But the effects will be felt quickly and the blow to public schools will be unsustainable." If even a few kids leave a neighborhood school, the difference in funding is noticeable. If six or seven do, "that's a whole teacher [salary] down." In her own school, where Lewis teaches third grade, that sort of downsizing would mean the immediate increase of her class size of 27 students to more than 40. "Or do you make the cuts elsewhere? Do you cut special education, which has already been cut to the bone? Or music, arts and after-school programs, which have already been cut to the bone? Do you not have an assistant principal? Then how many students don't get what they need?"

"We are going to stop this by any means necessary," Lewis said, including e*******l work, public education, and possibly another b****t initiative, even if that means risking the "poison pill" cancellation of the state's newly increased public school funds. "All options are on the table."
Advertisement:

But all options, suggests Charles Siler, are also on the table for the other side. "One of the things people never fully comprehend is how far privatization advocates want to take things," he said. "They want to get rid of all public funding for education. Eventually vouchers will die off too." What will remain, he argues, will be a self-funded primary education system, funded by a lending market much as colleges are. Or as Lewis says, a "system of haves and have-nots."

Read more on the right's systematic assault on public education:

A new age of f*****t politics brings a war on youth — but young people are ready to resist
Betsy DeVos and Ron DeSantis: GOP dynamic duo team up to defund public schools
The guy who brought us CRT panic offers a new far-right agenda: Destroy public education


By Kathryn Joyce

Kathryn Joyce is an investigative reporter at Salon, and the author of two books: "The Child Catchers: Rescue, Trafficking and the New Gospel of Adoption" and "Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement."
MORE FROM Kathryn Joyce
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If you actually did some real research, you would find that jurisdictions with the highest per pupil funding DO NOT show higher rates of success, ie. Washington, DC.

As Betsy DeVos is no longer in any way shape or form part of the government, it may be a tad hard for her to impact public schools.

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Jul 2, 2022 22:14:27   #
Radiance3
 
Geo wrote:
Here's the plan. Give large vouchers for private schools, and once public schools are defunded and close up. The Republicans will reduce and remove the vouchers. The middle class and poor are stuck without public school and the wealthy are not having to pay taxes for the poors education. Which is the goal and has been for decades.

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May I come in? I can't stand your ignorance. Private schools don't get public funding. Funded by tuitions of students by their parents. Public Schools are funded by taxpayers.

The Teachers' Labor Union demands so much funding every year. Fact, a certain percent of the dues paid to union is donated back to the democrat party. Average public school student cost taxpayers $16,800 annually. In Washington State, each student cost $18,175 per year. Public School teachers average annual salary of $119,000. King County increases property tax every year. Property taxes I pay for two homes is $15,750, annually. Sixty-five percent (65%) of that go to fund public schools.

Students in Public Schools don't learn the academics. They minimize teachings in Math, Science, Reading, Writing, History. They are being indoctrinated, and focus to CRT, WOKE, F**E HISTORY of Project 1619. Due to indoctrinations, these kids h**e each other, focus on race, don't appreciate the blessings of our freedom under God. Recent world report of student performance in public schools, the US rank at the bottom despite that it has the highest funding.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/
This is how Democrat -Socialist ruin/destroy our country. It is similar to Marxism. Remove God, ruin the economy, and indoctrinate the children.

Republicans will change that. We will focus on being number one again in all matters, economics, education, National Defense, and to continue the God given rights of freedom to all under God. This is what president Trump wants to do. And I will be with him, or whoever GOP takes over, to accomplish these things. So, help me God.

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