Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

It was the Christians that assembled the Bible and gave it to the people. The Bible is a collection of books that were inspired by God. The companion books help let humanity understand what had happened.

For example, Jude which is in the Bible, mentions the story of Enoch and the book of Enoch. In this example, the Holy Bible refers to the Book of Enoch and two other books. Making Enoch, Jubilees, and I forget the third book, but St Jude refers to these books.

The Bible makes no reference to Satan arguing with Michael over the body of Moses, but this is mentioned in Jude. I'm still researching this story, but that is why we look for the older knowledge to help us understand the wisdom of the Bible.

Everything matters in the realm of man, and God.

Rose42

There are reasons The book of Enoch and others were not included in the bible. The bible contains all we need for our spiritual life - if not then Jesus would have quoted them. The life of Jesus is not hard to understand and needs no embellishments

It really doesn’t matter if Michael argued with Satan over the body of Moses. That doesn’t help anyone understand God better.

The bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit, the other books are not.

Satan can come as an angel of light. He is behind islam and every other false religion. He’s behind the prosperity gospel and other alternative gospels. It is wise to be wary of other books for they can easily lead you astray.

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

Absolutely!!

"ten fragments of The Book of Enoch have been found at Qumran in the Dead Sea Scrolls, it is known to have existed in its present form since at least the 2nd Century BC."

So one must wonder why Enoch was not included in the Bible, or why the t***scribers of the Bible left that part of Jude in the Bible that made reference to Enoch?

The Maccabees are also very enlightening.

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

Catholicism, et al are among the false religions!

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Not really...and if you state catholicism, which sect or interpretation?

Catholic is a Greek term meaning "Universal" because of a mountain in Greece on sect split. So you have the following Catholics:

1. Roman Catholic
2. Greek Orthodox Catholic

Then you have the church in Jerusalem and Egypt:

3. Coptic Catholics

Then the church in Ethiopia:

4. Ethiopian Catholic Church.

From the Roman Church comes a slew of Protestant Catholics. Among this group are:

1. Lutherans
2. Episcopalians
3. Baptists
4. Methodists
5. Anglo-Saxon protestants
6. Quakers
7. Menenites
8. Mormon- Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints.

Now starting in Jerusalem, from Peter, comes the first Catholic church. Then Paul expands it to Rome. Hence Roman Catholic. Peter goes to Greece hence the Greek Orthodox. St. James stays in Jerusalem hence the Coptic churches of Jerusalem, Egypt, and Ethiopia.

The capital of the Roman Church was in Rome, and the capital of the Greek Orthodox Catholic Church was in Constantinople.

With the protest of Martin Luther comes the Lutheran Church, out of the Roman Church. And soon the king of England Henry the 8th defies the bishop of England and creates the church of the Anglo-Saxons.

And I can go on and on. All this before 1900. So, you state the universal church of Christ, which was formed by Christ is a false religion....hmm...I don't think so, for I have shown what a tree it has become in this post.

Did not Christ say "We are one body with a lot of branches"

I am a Roman Catholic by being raised as such but, I have a tendency of leaning more towards the Greek Orthodox and Coptic sides of the faith. Being Catholic it is a blessing and a curse. An example of the curse is the agnostic view point which Peter, John and Paul cut off from the church.

And in my study of this s philosophy I can understand why, and it has nothing to do with control.

Never condemn another Christian for their belief for we are all brothers and sisters in Christ, if you are a Christian. You may think, however, that some of your brethren luke the Mormons are nuts and crazy but they still are christians.

And if you haven't noticed yet, I tend to follow St. Pope John Paul II when he says in prayer, "unite all Christians wherever they may be"

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

I told no tale here, Ranger. I posted "Christian Identity" beliefs, highlighting their complete absurdity by quoting one of their best known originators, - although the true founder, the inspiration of CMI, standing behind both founders and proponents, is Satan.

Those who reject Absolute T***h (the inspired Word of God) preferring grievous error (personal prejudices, outward physical appearances, i.e., skin color, non-biblical sources and secular knowledge) are identified as fools by the Holy Spirit.

Those who build their houses upon the quicksand of non-Biblical sources, should either be ignored, "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him," Proverbs 26:4... Or, the next verse, v. 5, justifies a careful study of Scripture in order to: "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."

Christian Identity professes skewered unbiblical views: people other than Adam and Eve preceding them in the Garden; a dominate White race who alone descended from Adam, although the Bible never mentions preference for a race - a skin color; a local flood rather than the world wide flood God describes; White skin as a prerequisite to salvation; By examining the concepts developed by CIM, the total absurdity and unbiblical nature of their theories become readily apparent.

When examining Christian Identity material, a dangerous thread appears throughout: as with all cults, it uses some familiar church terms, but it defines those words totally contrary to their scriptural usage. It has developed a new correct "Religious Speak" that is spiritually far more dangerous than even modern "Politically Correct" speech. Superficially, this new "Religious Speak" makes Christian Identity sound scriptural while strongly impacting against God's Word, e.g. e******n, sovereignty, etc..

The use of many familiar easily recognized terms by CIM/Anglo-Saxon theorists, as with all cults, is intentional in order to entice and delude the reader. At the first encounter with standard Biblical words in Christian Identity material, the reader may be inclined to accept the words and their messages, assuming the meaning is according to his proper understanding of Scripture.

Later, the words are redefined, sometimes subtly, sometimes blatantly, to the author's belief in a "personal interpretation;" which ranges from "close to" or "completely contrary to" the biblical meaning - theories which, at first encounter, appear to be sound biblical concepts, but are not. Correct and scrupulous teaching clearly defines meanings and terminology "up front," then builds upon those established meanings, rather than inserting concepts foreign to the Bible.

Allow me to reiterate:

The Christian Identity Movement (CIM) is a r****t cult that claims to follow Jesus Christ, but it's focus perverts Old Testament history, tribes and personages, and more importantly, it misrepresents God's love and plan of salvation for all of humanity who are willing to believe in Jesus' sacrifice and follow Him. The CIM movement consists of various groups, small and large - all connected by the same set of heresies.

Christian Identity Movement groups and members have chosen to ignore what the Bible clearly teaches, and have, instead, substituted a prejudiced, discriminatory, W***e S*********t, glaringly r****t view of Christianity that, in the reading of it, is found to wander between vintage Comic Book material and medieval Science Fiction.

The written suppositions of the "Christian Identity Movement" (CIM) is displeasing to God, dishonoring to Jesus Christ, desecrating to the Holy Spirit, and profanatory to the inspired Holy Bible, the very Word of God.

FYI, There is no reference to an angel named Azrael in either Catholic or Protestant versions of the Bible... Azrael is not recognized by the inspired word of God. He is not considered a canonical figure within Christianity.

He is, however, one of the four archangels of Islam (with Jibrīl, Mīkāl, and Isrāfīl), and is also believed in by Sikhism, a 15th century religion of India.

There is, however, a story of him in 2 Esdras. At one time the biblical book of Ezra was known as 1 Esdras, and the biblical book of Nehemiah was known as 2 Esdras. At that time, the non-canonical books now known as 1st and 2nd Esdras were known as 3 and 4 Esdras.

Azra was later recorded in the uninspired Apocrypha as having entered Heaven "without tasting death’s taint.” Unbiblical views claim Ezra ascended to angelic status, and that the suffix “el” was added to his name, denoting a heavenly being (e.g. Michael, Gabriel).

Those who actually believe the Bible know that angels cannot become human beings, nor can human beings become angels. God's angels were created eternal spiritual beings of great power and intelligence, who, because they do not die, have no need to reproduce. A created spirit being does not have human sperm, and cannot mate with human women.

From the beginning, God established a strict law that each kind must reproduce only after its own kind (Genesis 1:11-12, 21, 24-25) making it impossible for any human male to have mated with animals to have produced "mudpeople."

Christian Identity Movement groups all share the belief that 1) the ten "lost tribes" of ancient Israel eventually became the British people, and their descendants, who became the Americans of the United States. This violates and contradicts the Bible's clear message that the ethnicity of the nation of Israel will be the same in the end as it was in the beginning (Zechariah 12:10).

2) The second shared false doctrine is their arrogant r****t teaching that they must usher in Christ's return through fighting and winning a genocidal war against all non-w****s, i.e., "mudpeople," who must be eliminated and the earth cleansed, before Jesus Christ can return.

This belief has no t***h in common with Bible based Christian belief. Revelation 1:7 makes of it a lie, for it is clear that people of "all tribes of the earth" will be present to witness Jesus' coming.

Revelation 7:9 "A Great Multitude from Every Nation.

"After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands."

A genocidal war strongly resembles the teachings of Islam, not Christianity. According to the Qur'an they have an open mandate to k**l all unbelievers until we ALL submit to islam:

Qur'an (8:39) - "And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshiping others besides Allah) and [until] the religious worship, all of it is for Allah alone."

“Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate.” (Qur'an, Sura 66:9)

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

I understand your premise, if it is not in the Bible, it is not true or did not occur right?

This is inaccurate for the Hindus, Aztecs and Incas, are not in the Bible, yet they exist.

And in Genesis 6, even Moses recognizes the attack of the angels upon man before the flood where it is written:

"Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose"

As St Augustine would explain, "the sons of God" are the Angels. Azrael is mentioned in the book of Enoch as the chieftain of these 200+ angels. Azrael is also mentioned as the brightest angel in heaven. Azrael is known as Lucifer meaning "the brightest morning star" Azrael is also the name of a seraphim where we only know two seraphims, this story again comes from both the book of Enoch and Jubilees which is dated older than the book of Moses also known as the first five books of the Bible as well as other books concerning the law.

Legend has it, that Moses sisters family had these books, written in God's language, and Moses placed them in the Ark of the covenant.

Jude, the author of the second to the last book of the Bible had knowledge of these books and centuries later these books were not considered inspired but part of the Apocrypha including the Gospel according to St James, and St. Mary Magdalene.

But again, it was v**ed on in the councils of Constantinople, Trent, and Nicaea and some subsequent councils established that Jesus Christ was the incarnation and son of God most high. This is also when the Bible a collection of Jewish texts known as the old testament, as well as the gospels and new testament wring were collected in a single volume of books called the Bible or what I call, "Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth"

The early church fathers, as well as emperor Constantine established the faith, kicking out as heresy the Arian beliefs. These were the decisions of the councils which established this creed:

"We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and
unseen.(visible and invisible)

We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten(consubstantial) of the Father; God from
God, Light from Light, true God from true God; begotten not made, one in being with the Father.
Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven. By the
power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary and became man. For our sake He was
crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again, in
fulfillment of the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He
will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the
forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen"

From this creed, where I have inserted in parentheses an update the church recently did, comes the test that was used to create the collection of works known as the Bible

Now it is true that man and the angels are created separately and that the angels need not reproduce for they are immortal. True statement.

However, since a lion and a tiger can produce a liger, so can angel and woman produce a Nephilem. This was Satan's attack on mankind that began the racial wars which have plagued man kind until this very day.

But 2000+ years ago, as for told by ancient sacred scripture, one would come to heal humanity in the fullness of time and destroy the a*********n. Since Satan poisoned the human race, one would come with the antidote. That antidote was Jesus Christ as declared by the emperor of Rome, St. Constantine.

The emperor set on a great pilgrimage with his mother Helen and visited the holy land. Placing a church on every significant biblical location. He unified the church in Rome, Byzantine, Jerusalem, Egypt, and Eithopia.

He commissioned the creation of what we call the Bible. Which was t***slated into English by the commission of king James.

Now Christians are a kind group, that fight worse than their ancestors the Jews. Christians joined the Samaritans, and Greeks, and afterwards the Romans to a body of one people. But not without a cost. And in the name of Christ, took over the pagan holidays.

Now, yes, it is true that without the guidance of scripture one can stumble ignorantly into the sin feared. Therefore the creed and the Bible as well as other objects or relics of the faith are used to strengthen that faith. But not as an idol would be used in Babylon or Olympus but as a reminder of God's great live and sacrifice for our freedom

The cross, a brutal show of force, now is used as a device to save man from himself.

Interestingly enough, crucifixion rates dropped to nearly zero, after the Christian church was fully established.

Now, the church today seems like a relic of the Roman or Holy Roman society. Both Byzantine and Rome can be seen in the religion because of the actions of the emperor, however the church comes to us from the apostles and their knowledge of the scripture as taught by Jesus to them. This, the faith is Chaldean, Hebrew, Egyptian, Israelite, Samaritan, Jewish, Greek and Roman by nature.

The Samaritan+ the Jewish= an Israelite

An Israelite - the Egyptian = the Hebrew.

The Hebrew coexisted with the Chaldeans.

That's the metamorphosis of the christian.

This metamorphosis is required to cleanse the poison that Satan/Azrael plagued mankind with.

Now Satan/Azrael wants to remain unknown, where God wants man to know him.

Don't you know at the great judgement Satan will use the holy Bible against the faithful? In so many words even the Bible Admits to that twist of deception.

But the inspired word of God, and the companion books help the faithful understand first, man then God and our relationship.

But the creed allows us to separate the good from the devil and that is why both are important.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

You're wrong, Ranger, you presume too much.

You do not understand my premise, nor do you understand the purpose and message of the Bible.

Illusionary t***h is found in Eastern Religious Mysticism... There are some elements of Eastern belief systems which have gained a firm foothold in our society – Hinduism, Buddhism, Transcendental Meditation, Hare Krishna, Taoism, and some elements of New Age philosophy.

They differ dramatically from the primary worldview beliefs of Western cultures in their belief that the ultimate expression of reality consists of an impersonal life force. They have no God with personhood to whom one can personally relate, nor is there one either able or willing to reveal himself to humankind.

They are unknowable idols, fronts for Satan.

Philosophically speaking, those who share their worldview do not and cannot distinguish between the secular and the divine (pantheism); they teach that all of reality is composed of, and reducible to, a single substance (monism), unlike Monotheism, the basis of Judeo-Christianity.

All religion other than Judeo-Christianity is historically traceable to ancient Babylonian religion.

As to a belief that everything is written down in the Bible, the Apostle John, in John 21:25 wrote this:

"There are many more things that Jesus did. If all of them were written down, I suppose that not even the world itself would have space for the books that would be written."

It is obvious to anyone who has actually read that Bible verse that God has limited His revelation to that which is necessary for mankind's knowledge of God, His plan of individual redemption from sin through personal faith, eternal salvation through the gospel of Jesus/Yeshua haMashiach's payment-in-full of our sin-debt, and the spiritual knowledge necessary to live out our lives in a manner that is pleasing to Him.

Two more verses on the purpose of scripture, the Apostle Paul added for enlightenment:

"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;"(2nd Timothy 3:16)

"Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction." (2nd Timothy 4:2)

You are unable to differentiate between them without the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

The creeds written by men are superfluous. In Isaiah 42:8 God states, "I am the LORD, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images."

Almighty God chose the sixty six books of the Christian Bible, man didn't. They would be exactly as they appear, unchanged, even if Constantine had never lived.

You've said nothing about the evil that is anti-Semitic, r****t "W***e S*********t" Christian Identity -- the topic of this thread.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

The Bible was written by man, tested by man, and proved worthy by man. However, the men that wrote the books of the Bible were inspired by man. This fact was proven by inspired man, by being tested. For Isaiah writes, "only through fire gold is tested" (forgive me I don't remember chapter and verse will look it up later)

Now that I've established that the Bible was inspired, written, and tested by man; I've also established that it is the Word of God. Therefore the kind Word of God as related from the Bible, is the wisdom of God. But this book is not a history book, it is not an instruction manual, nor is it intended to be. It is a book to get the reader to accept God and have faith in his awesome power to forgive us of our t***sgressions or sin.

The message of God in the Bible, demonstrates what happens when man is loyal to God and it demonstrates what happens when man falls out of loyalty from God. As with anything man evolves, and gains more understanding through time. Therefore, as a Roman Catholic, I do recommend anyone researching anything, to start with the Bible and as understanding increases search for sources out side the Bible describing the same topic to gain wisdom. But I caution that the researcher first be strong and careful not to go down any rabbit hole that leads the researcher to fall away from the principles well established by the Bible itself.

Jude and Genesis bring up an evil that brought a great fear to man. That fear was started by the attack of the angels to man. Both Moses and St Jude describes this original fear and explains why adultery and the splitting of species is so wrong, evil, taboo, and an a*********n.

Moses, Enoch, and Jude all agree that this one event in human history divided man. Research shows that the story of Enoch, seventh from Adam, is true but not true enough to be written by man, inspired by God.

Science has proved in years past, that modern man is older than neanderthal and cro-magma man. This discovery proves the story of Enoch, where man was taught by the angels the taboo knowledge which the Bible speaks against.

Christ and the Hebrews from Adam were not white, not black. They were modern man, or if olive skin. The mistake is made by the Nephilem

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Sorry I've got more....and will post it later.

Rose42

No you didn’t establish anything. You put forth erroneous information. Scripture is not inspired by man but by God. You go down a dangerous road by claiming otherwise.

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

Doesn't matter what sect, they've all been Judaized!!

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

You said: "Those who actually believe the Bible know that angels cannot become human beings, nor can human beings become angels. God's angels were created eternal spiritual beings of great power and intelligence, who, because they do not die, have no need to reproduce. A created spirit being does not have human sperm, and cannot mate with human women."

That doesn't explain the Nephilim - fallen angels who bred with women as explained in the Bible at Genesis 6.


1 And it came to passe, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were borne vnto them:
2 That the sonnes of God saw the daughters of men, that they were faire, and they took them wiues, of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My Spirit shall not alwayes striue with man; for that hee also is flesh: yet his dayes shalbe an hundred and twenty yeeres.
4 There were Giants in the earth in those daies: and also after that, when the sonnes of God came in vnto the daughters of men, & they bare children to them; the same became mightie men, which were of old, men of renowme.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Rose, you just misread what I wrote, in part one of my explanation. Let me make it more clear....

Sacred scripture is included in the volume of books that we call the Bible.

The writers of these books are believed to be inspired by God. Now those works were tested by, I believe it was either the council of Trent, or the council of Corinth don't remember which one approved of the Bible but it was that council that approved the Bible and later distributed the Bible to the people. It was first t***slated into Hebrew, Greek, and Latin and later other languages such as English and Spanish.

It was this council I believe, but let me check, that established the Bible in it's current form in the 5th century AD. When all the Christian churches came to a basic agreement on what to include and what not to include.

The authors were inspired by God. But that's not the end of it. The produce of these authors, the works, were fought over to be admitted to what would be called today as the Bible. Some tried to include books that failed the test, and those who promoted such books were tried for heresy. They were found guilty and hung for trying to deceive God's faithful.

Saints such as St. Augustine and St. Jerome established a test to see which writings we're inspired by God and which were not.

Even St Thomas Aquinas examined and tested the books. Therefore be comforted that:

The list of books included in the Catholic Bible was established as canon by the Council of Rome in 382, followed by those of Hippo in 393 and Carthage in 397. Between 385 and 405 CE, the early Christian church t***slated its canon into Vulgar Latin (the common Latin spoken by ordinary people), a t***slation known as the Vulgate. Since then, Catholic Christians have held ecumenical councils to standardize their biblical canon. The Council of Trent (1545–63), held by the Catholic Church in response to the Protestant Reformation, authorized the Vulgate as its official Latin t***slation of the Bible. A number of biblical canons have since evolved. Christian biblical canons range from the 73 books of the Catholic Church canon, and the 66-book canon of most Protestant denominations, to the 81 books of the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church canon, among others.

Therefore, my statement on the Holy Bible still stands, "The Bible is a book written by man, inspired by God, tested by man, and made holy by Man and God."

It was made holy by God, through his inspiration to the author. It was made holy by Man, through man's doubt. This, and believe this, many were violently beat and fought, just to say, "I believe in One God, the Father the Almighty, and through Jesus Christ, Our Lord. God from God, Light from light, true God from true God. Consubstantial with the Father, and begotten from the father."

Just to identify, God as One God, with three distinct individual persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The trinity. Man fought Man just so man can declare just that statement. This it was worse when they canonized the ancient writings. So take comfort in faith that the Bible was, is, and always shall be the inspired word of God.

I hope that clears it up for you Rose.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

I'm glad you are paying attention to my view point and for bringing up what I believe is the source of r****m.

Let's focus on verse 4:

"4 There were Giants in the earth in those days: and also after that, when the sons of God came in onto the daughters of men, & they bare children to them; the same became mighty men, which were of old, men of renowned."

Some t***slations include the term "Heroes of old, men of renowned"

Enoch describes these creatures as "Giants" and describes them as 400 cubits tall. Egyptian writing or hieroglyphics portray these giants as task masters.

Descriptions of the Titan Cronus who laid with Europa, she bore the Olympian gods. It is shown here in Homer's writings. The stories and myths, legends of old, older than the ancient days, describe these "gods". That they were the sons of gods. This brings us the gods of the ancient religion of the Greeks starting with Chaos or the void.

Now perhaps, there may be an inconsistency here. For the first second and third generation of the Greek gods seem to be angels. But then we get to the Titans. This is where the story seems to join with Genesis. Cronous mates with Rhea his older sister, and from that union come the twelve Olympian gods. This story as outrageous as it seems, appears to have it's origins pre-flood. I kept digging deeper, and come to find out that the description of Zeus vs Cronous occured before the flood. The story appears to be that old.

Now the Greek story, is actually an old Philistine, story. But none the less, Cronus supposedly devoured all eleven of his children when they were born, and because of Rhea, his wife, Zeus survived. And the prophecy would then come true, Cronus o*******w Uranus, this Zeus would o*******w Cronus. And this, the Olympian gods were born.

Now it would make sense to describe the Philistine/Greek gods in this context( and in many ways be easier to show the contrast) but it isn't that easy. Moses was brought up Egyptian and as an Egyptian prince followed other gods before that of the god of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. The Egyptians at the time of Moses p***ed themselves on being the descendants of the giants--the Nephilem.

Now in contrast to the Greeks, who describe a part of the angelic apocalypse, that ended with the flood, the Egyptians showed yet another side of the gods. With their writings they gave us a ratio close to 400 cubits to 1. These were the giants.

But the worst of all false god stories is
Is that of ancient Babel. And their king Nimrod.

As was presented before many of the far eastern religions have their origin in Babel.

Where as the Hebrew religion has a partial origin in the kingdom of babel or like I like to say Chaldea.

Okay so Noah and his family escape the flood, and arrive probably in the mountains of turkey, where Noah makes a home.

His descendants according to the Bible branch out from the ark. Okay good. But then an evil occurs. See the flood did not wipe out all the Nephilem, just some of them. It wouldn't be until much later that the last Nephilem would die in battle.

Now according to the book of Enoch, the Nephilem learned from the devil angels all the taboo arts ..for example the angels taught man, weapon making, astrology, astronomy, cosmology, alchemy, magic, divination, and other taboo arts.

This knowledge was taboo and against nature. This knowledge is not intended for man to know, especially the "splitting of species". A real world example of this is the sweet potato. It is a cross between a beet and a potato. This comes at the root of both plants. This creation seems harmless but is the simplest of the knowledge.

Azrael used this experiment on human beings, first on Eve....so the legend goes...and then persuaded two hundred angels to do the same.

So Enoch interceded on behalf of the angels seeking God's forgiveness of the Nephilem as passed down in the book of Enoch. Now because the book is fragmented today, and because it held taboo knowledge the book was not considered an inspired work.

According to Enoch, God's holy angels captured the two hundred rebellious angels and rendered judgement upon them. In the deepest recesses of hell, a prison was created. And the angels were bound to watch as their offspring k**led each other off. Then these angels were imprisoned for all time. Similar to the Tartarus of the mythology of the ancient Greek gods.

After this event two significant events happened. Enoch walked with God and was no more. This was the first human of the Bible to go to heaven body and soul....for he was sinless, he did not die.

The second event was the flood....to cleanse the earth of the evil of the Nephilem. So the most wicked of the Nephilem was wiped out but not all of them. For on the ark, two of Noah's three sons were married to Nephilem themselves.

This is the best description of the events after the flood:

"Now it was Nimrod who excited them to such an affront and contempt of God. He was the grandson of Ham, the son of Noah, a bold man, and of great strength of hand. He persuaded them not to ascribe it to God, as if it were through his means they were happy, but to believe that it was their own courage which procured that happiness. He also gradually changed the government into tyranny, seeing no other way of turning men from the fear of God, but to bring them into a constant dependence on his power. He also said he would be revenged on God, if he should have a mind to drown the world again; for that he would build a tower too high for the waters to reach. And that he would avenge himself on God for destroying their forefathers. Now the multitude were very ready to follow the determination of Nimrod, and to esteem it a piece of cowardice to submit to God; and they built a tower, neither sparing any pains, nor being in any degree negligent about the work: and, by reason of the multitude of hands employed in it, it grew very high, sooner than any one could expect; but the thickness of it was so great, and it was so strongly built, that thereby its great height seemed, upon the view, to be less than it really was. It was built of burnt brick, cemented together with mortar, made of bitumen, that it might not be liable to admit water. When God saw that they acted so madly, he did not resolve to destroy them utterly, since they were not grown wiser by the destruction of the former sinners; but he caused a tumult among them, by producing in them diverse languages, and causing that, through the multitude of those languages, they should not be able to understand one another. The place wherein they built the tower is now called Babylon, because of the confusion of that language which they readily understood before; for the Hebrews mean by the word Babel, confusion ..."

Now I will pause as I gather more information.