son of witless

Attorney General Eric Holder is mad about the leaks coming out from the Ferguson Grand Jury. It's okay for him to influence public opinion but nobody else better be playing that game. It seems that the autopsy supports Officer Wilson. Wittle Eric is really really mad.

Waaa!


Is this just about the worst Attorney General in recent American history? In all of American history.

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

I'll be glad when the last thing we here from that scum is the door shutting on his prison cell.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

The only thing better would be to have Obola as his cellmate.

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

That would be great.Ebama and Ebola.

moldyoldy

The Post-Dispatch says that the autopsy report supports Wilson's version of events. In fact, it supports the earlier eyewitness testimony at least as much as it does Wilson's.

The Post-Dispatch (and later, the Washington Post, which essentially reported on the the St. Louis reporting) claims that a forensic expert said the autopsy shows that Michael Brown was "going for his (Wilson's) gun." Except that's not what the expert said - at least not in anything she provided on the record. She told Lawrence O'Donnell that it was just as likely that Brown was trying to defend himself from being shot.

The Post-Dispatch quotes the expert saying that Michael Brown's was not in surrender posture when he was shot. She actually wrote that she can't say with reasonable certainty that his hands were up when he was shot in the right forearm.

The article claims the expert said the autopsy didn't support witnesses who said Michael Brown was shot while running away or with his hands up. She apparently said nothing of the sort.

The expert quoted has since told Lawrence O'Donnell that she was only asked if the autopsy report was consistent with Darren Wilson's version of events. She was not asked if it fit other scenarios, though there are eyewitness accounts that differ from Wilson's account.

Now, here's a deeper dive with links and quotes - but before we take a look at what Dr. Melinek told the Post-Dispatch - or to be more specific, what the Post-Dispatch chose to print - let's take a look at who Judy Melinek is and how she happens to come into this.

Judy Melinek is a California forensics expert who is frequently called upon as a consultant to interpret autopsy results. She has spent time as a medical examiner, and has written a book about her experiences. When I first read the article in the St. Louis paper, I was flabbergasted at the quotes attributed to her - and you'll see in the excerpts below that the reports presented them as actual quotes, not as paraphrases. I'm not a forensics expert but even I know the fact that someone's hand is near a gun when it goes off does not necessarily mean that they were "going for the gun."

All I could think was that either the expert was incredibly biased, or that there were details in the autopsy that didn't make it into the newspaper. Silly me - I entirely missed a third possibility - that the reporters made up quotes out of their own heads - but that appears to be exactly what happened.

As to how she got d**gged into this whole thing, here's the explanation in Dr. Melinek's own words:


A reporter from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch called me earlier this week, saying she had Michael Brown's official autopsy report as prepared by the St. Louis County Medical Examiner, and asking me if I would examine and analyze it from the perspective of a forensic pathologist with no official involvement in the Ferguson, Missouri shooting death.
I bring this up because earlier this afternoon, MSNBC's Joy Reid referred to Dr. Melinek as the doctor who performed the autopsy. Now, Reid is usually pretty on-point with the facts in her reporting, but this was a big oops. And if she's making it, you can be sure that others are definitely making the same mistake.
It's not the first time that Dr. Melinek has opined on an autopsy performed on Michael Brown, either. Back in August after the family released the results of the second autopsy, performed by Dr. Michael Baden, Dr. Melinek wrote this about the tweaked autopsy sketch that went v***l:


Even if Dr. Baden, a board-certified forensic pathologist, looked at photos of the injuries taken prior to the embalming, the orientation and quality of the photos taken by the technician would influence his interpretation of the findings. Autopsy means "see for yourself"—and there is no substitute for seeing the undisturbed body for yourself if you are going to be offering opinions with legal ramifications.
It was difficult to reconcile the person who wrote that with the person who was quoted in Byers' and Bernhard's article. It's important to remember that Dr. Melinek was not offering an opinion with legal ramifications. Rather, she was offering an opinion to a reporter, whose reporting would help shape public opinion in a highly contentious court case. The reporters quoted her thus:

Dr. Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist in San Francisco, said the autopsy “supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has gunpowder particulate material in the wound.” She added, “If he has his hand near the gun when it goes off, he’s going for the officer’s gun.”
I read that yesterday morning and thought, "Wait, what? That's a pretty big leap."
And indeed it is. If he has his hand near the gun when it goes off, it means ... his hand was near the gun when it went off. We don't know why or how his hand got there. It's just as likely that he was trying to block the gun because he was afraid that Darren Wilson was about to k**l him.

And, in fact, Melinek appeared on Lawrence O'Donnell's "The Last Word" last night to essentially call bulls**t on what the Post-Dispatch said she said, and followed it up with the previously-linked post on her blog. According to the doctor, this is what she told the reporter from the newspaper (emphasis mine):


The graze wound on the right thumb is oriented upwards, indicating that the tip of the thumb is toward the weapon. The hand wound has gunpowder particles on microscopic examination, which suggests that it is a close-range wound. That means that Mr. Brown's hand would have been close to the barrel of the gun. Given the investigative report which says that the officer's weapon discharged during a struggle in the officer's car, this wound to the right thumb likely occurred at that time.
We all know that "close to the barrel of the gun" is the exact same thing as "going for the gun." Or not.
But the reporters' fuckery doesn't end there. The article goes on:


Melinek also said the autopsy did not support witnesses who have claimed Brown was shot while running away from Wilson, or with his hands up.
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A sixth shot that hit the forearm traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm, which means Brown’s palms could not have been facing Wilson, as some witnesses have said, Melinek said. That trajectory shows Brown probably was not taking a standard surrender position with arms above the shoulders and palms out when he was hit, she said.
The part I cut with the ... was a description of the wounds to Michael Brown's head, chest and torso. No one disagrees that those shots were fired when Michael Brown was facing Darren Wilson. It's that last paragraph that's a problem. Here's what Dr. Melinek actually had to say about that forearm wound:

You can't say within reasonable certainty that his hands were up based on the autopsy findings alone. The back to front and upward trajectory of the right forearm wound could occur in multiple orientations and a trajectory reconstruction would need to be done using the witness statements, casings, height of the weapon and other evidence from the scene, which have yet to be released.
Again, there's a big difference between "did not support witnesses" who said his hands were up and "can't say within reasonable certainty" that his hands were up -- when that shot hit him. That particular wound goes from back to front, which actually supports earlier eyewitness testimony that Wilson shot at Michael Brown while he was running away, and appeared to hit him. And again, Melinek corrected the Post-Dispatch's reporting when she spoke with O'Donnell last night (emphasis mine):

All but one of the gunshots, Melinek said, seem to have struck Brown in the front of his body, which is consistent with witnesses who said Brown had been facing Wilson when he was shot. Depending on any witnesses physical proximity to the shooting, Brown could have been turning to Wilson in surrender, stumbling toward him after being shot or charging him.
The shot to the back of Brown’s upper arm, Melinek said, suggested he could have been shot from behind.
As of this writing, the story is still up and uncorrected at St. Louis Today. It's headed by the screen cap posted above, from WPIX News in New York. This is despite the fact that Dr. Melinek has disputed their story, saying it was full of "inaccurate and misleading quotes," and gone on television to correct the record. Frankly, I don't expect them to make the corrections. not do I expect the Washington Post or the various other newspapers, websites and blogs to do the right thing. You're going to hear that the autopsy proves Michael Brown was going for Darren Wilson's gun and that he didn't have his hands up. But at least you'll know where the misinformation came from and where you can find the correction.
10:34 PM PT: Thanks to skywriter for catching me in making the same mistake I accused other reporters of making - not checking my facts. In fact, the New York Times doesn't appear to have jumped on the bandwagon with this story, and I'm editing to reflect that.

Brian Devon

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How soon you wingnuts forget. Have there recently been worse attorney generals than John Mitchell, Edwin Meese, John Ashcroft, or Alberto Gonzales?

Obviously you folks would love to charge Attorney General Holder and President Obama for the high crimes of "governing while Black".

Subtle......you're not.

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

R****t.........you are.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

The issue at hand, b****s must be appeased at all costs. Holder, due to his involvement and the nature of the way the WH handled this shooting, he has to convict the officer. Does not matter if the officer was right or wrong, they need and want their blood. We are not dealing with rational people.

Elwood Loc: Florida

Not about, he is the worst. :thumbup: :thumbup:

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

:thumbup: :thumbup:

moldyoldy

You don't see any reason to question why an unarmed person running away was shot at six times, why that person surrendered and was then murdered in the street and left there to bleed for over four hours, why medical personnel were not allowed to check the body.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Well, you put it that way....sure looks like he was bound for saint hood. Sure enough this 6'4" 300 pound midget is right now playing his harp while sitting at the knee of Jesus. Can we get a halleluiah? Sure enough.... And I bet you do not think that:

1. Matthew Emanuel Macon (Murdered and Raped 5 White Women in Lansing)
2. Jimmie Reed (Murdered his wife and his 2 month old daughter and set them on fire)
3. Shelly Brooks (Murdered 7 prostitutes in Detroit Cass Corridor)
4. Justin B****shere (Stabbed two white cooks at Cheli’s Chili downtown Detroit)
5. Jervon Miguel Coleman (Murdered three people.)
6. Donell Ramon Johnson (Murdered a mother and a daughter)
7. Brian Ranard Davis (6 women known murdered by n****r)
8. Paul Durousseau (Seven women)
9. Mark Goudeau “The Baseline K**ler” (Eight women and a man in 2005-2006)
10. Coral Eugene Watts (11 women in Texas & 1 in Michigan)
11. Anthony McKnight (Five girls and young women)
12. Derrick Todd Lee (8 Women)
13. Charles Lendelle Carter (4 known murders; admits to ‘hunting’ Atlantans for 15 years!)
14. The Zebra K*****gs (71 White people)
15. Chester Turner (L.A.s most prolific k**ler 12 women k**led.)
16. Lorenzo J. Gilyard (Kansas City, MO.—13 victims)
17. Eugene Victor Britt (Gary, IN.–3 known murder/rapes.)
18. Reginald and Jonathan Carr (The Wichita Massacre–6 W****s murdered)
19. Ray Joseph Dandridge and his uncle, Ricky Gevon Gray (Richmond, VA.–Murdered 7 people in 7 days, including an entire White family.)
20. The Tinley Park Murderer (Suspect hasn’t been found but has been described as black – murdered 5 women in a store.)
21. Henry Louis Wallace (Raped and strangled 5 women to death.)
22. Charles Johnston (Murdered 3 unarmed white men in hospital)
23. Craig Price (Brutally murdered 3 women)
24. Harrison Graham (Brually Murdered 3 women)
25. Charles Lee “Cookie” Thornton (Murdered 6 W****s at the Kirkwood, MO. city council. )
26. & 27. Darnell Hartsfeld & Romeo Pinkerton (Abducted and Murdered 5 from a restaurant)
28 &29. John Allen Muhammad & Lee Boyd Malvo (Sniped 11 people from a car in DC, 9 died.)
30. George Russell (3 women, WA state)
31. Timothy W. Spencer (5 k**led, Arlington, VA and Richmond, VA)
32. Elton M. Jackson (12 gay men k**led, Norfolk, VA area)
33. Carlton Gary (3 k**led in Columbus, GA)
34. Mohammed Adam Omar (16 women, Yemen. Omar is Sudanese.)
35. Kendall Francois (8 women, Poughkeepsie, NY and surrounding areas.)
36. Terry A. Blair (8 women, Kansas City area)
37. Wayne Williams (33 many of them children!, Atlanta, GA)
38. Vaughn Greenwood (11 k**led in LA)
39. Andre Crawford (10 k**led in Chicago – southside)
40. Calvin Jackson (9 k**led possibley more in NY)
41. Gregory Klepper (k**led 8, Chicago – southside)
42. Alton Coleman (K**led 8 in the Midwest)
43. Harrison Graham (k**led 7+ in N. Philadelphia)
44. Cleophus Prince (6 k**led in, San Diego
45. Robert Rozier (7 k**led in, Miami)
46. Maurice Byrd (k**led 20 + in St. Louis)
47. Maury Travis (17 and rising, St. Louis and possibly also Atlanta)
48. Hulon Mitchell, a.k.a. Yahweh Ben Yahweh (k**led 20+ in Florida)
49. Lorenzo Fayne (k**led 5 children in East St. Louis, IL)
50. Paul Durousseau, (k**led 6, two of which were pregnant women, Jacksonville, FL; Georgia.)
51. Eddie Lee Mosley (k**led 25 to 30 women, south Florida)
52. Henry Lee Jones (k**led 4 in, south Florida; Bartlett, TN)
53. Richard “Babyface” Jameswhite (15 k**led in, New York; Georgia.)
54. Donald E. Younge, Jr. (k**led 4), East St. Louis, IL; Salt Lake City, UT.
55. Ivan Hill (k**led 6 in Los Angeles area).
56. Michael Vernon (Bronx, NY. K**led at least seven people – )
57. Chester Dewayne Turner (12 women k**led in, Los Angeles)

Did any wrong either. Just poor black men/women minding their own business when white people just happened to run in front of their guns or put their heads conveniently where their knives were. Innocent..... each and every one. Just like Brown. He was only minding his own business enjoying the smokes he had just roughed up a store clerk for, just skipping down the middle of the road when that bad old cop decided to beat himself up so he could blame Brown, and then for no reason at all shot him 5 times and then for good measure shot him again.

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Hemiman Loc: Communist California

Waiting............waiting............waiting...........I think she may have knocked him out.

Brian Devon

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Ginny, what you are doing is called "card stacking" or "cherry picking".

This is when someone uses only the anecdotal evidence that favors their point of view and either discards or ignores stories that could be used to generate an opposing hypothesis.

This is what bigots do.

Congratulations! You are the very first Jewish woman I have ever heard refer to our Black fellow citizens by the N word. You were raised by a Rabbi???? I find that hard to believe.

However, there is precedent for this type of vile hatred, not sanctioned by Judaism. Rabbi Meir Kahane and his ilk at the Jewish Defense League come to mind.

One of his bigot "associates", an American Jew, is permanently barred from entering Israel by its government.

What did your parents do to you to make you into this type of bitter, r****t, misanthrope? You are incredibly removed from the kind Jewish women I know, who most definitely are not h**ers and are the type of women to serve as a credit to the Jewish people by being compassionate, liberal, social workers, teachers, and attorneys.

Fortunately there are very few American Jewish women like you.

In Nov., 2012, 69% of American Jews cast their b****ts for President Obama.

Romney received a paltry 30%. Romney received significantly less than half the Jewish v**e that our president did.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

I reread her post. I see no where the "n" word. Perhaps, as a reverse r****t, you just visualized it.