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Jun 21, 2022 17:05:35   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
https://reason.com/2022/06/21/texas-state-police-chief-uvalde-stopped-gunman/?utm_medium=email

Texas State Police Chief: Uvalde Was 'Abject Failure,' Police Could Have Stopped Gunman in Three Minutes

"The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering Room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children."

C.J. Ciaramella6.21.2022 3:32 PM

Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw testified before state legislators today that the police response to the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, was an "abject failure" and said he strongly believed that the door to the classroom, which police officers waited outside of for more than an hour, was unlocked.

The statements were the strongest condemnations yet by Texas state law enforcement of the police response at Uvalde and further indication that an inexcusable cascade of poor decisions left two classrooms of children and their teachers at the mercy of the gunman.

McCraw called the decision to treat the shooter as a barricaded suspect an "abject failure and antithetical to everything we have learned over the past two decades."

McCraw singled out Uvalde school district police Chief Pete Arredondo, whom he identified as the on-scene commander at the incident: "The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering Room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children."

"The officers had weapons. The children had none," McCraw said. "The officers had body armor. The children had none. The officers had training. The subject had none. One hour, 14 minutes, and 8 seconds. That's how long children waited and the teachers waited in Room 111 to be rescued."

McCraw's testimony comes on the heels of reporting by multiple Texas news outlets that contradict Arredondo's narrative of the May 24 mass shooting that left 19 elementary school students and two teachers dead. Arredondo said in a recent interview with The Texas Tribune that he didn't consider himself to be the on-scene commander and that officers waited outside the door because they were outgunned and lacked breaching tools or keys to open the doors.

However, the Austin American-Statesman and KVUE-TV reviewed hallway footage of the incident and reported that officers arrived with a ballistic shield and rifles 19 minutes after the gunman entered the school. They also had a breaching tool, called a Halligan bar. The Texas Tribune reported that none of the security footage it reviewed shows officers checking the door or attempting to unlock it.

"I have great reasons to believe it was never secured," McCraw testified about the door. "How about trying the door and seeing if it's locked?"

McCraw testified today that police could have stopped the shooter within three minutes.

The reality of the massacre, coming out in dribs and drabs, has moved so far away from the original police narrative that public officials' older comments now read as farcical. Take Texas Gov. Gregg Abbot's comments from May 25, a day after the mass shooting.

"The reality is, as horrible as what happened, it could have been worse," Abbot said. "The reason it was not worse is that law enforcement officials did what they do. They showed amazing courage by running toward gunfire for the singular purpose of trying to save lives. And it is a fact that because of their quick response, getting on the scene of being able to respond to the gunman and eliminating the gunman, they were able to save lives."

Abbot later said he was misled about the events.

As Reason reported Monday, state and local agencies in Texas, ranging from the governor's office to the City of Uvalde, have geared up to fight the scores of public records requests filed by media outlets seeking more information on the police response to the shooting.

McCraw testified that the police response at Uvalde "set our profession back a decade." If agencies keep trying to shift blame and bury the t***h about that failure, they won't have a reputation left to salvage.

AuntiE Says: Nineteen families should not only sue the police department but individually every single Uvalde police officer who was at the school!

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Jun 21, 2022 17:55:26   #
Kevyn
 
AuntiE wrote:
https://reason.com/2022/06/21/texas-state-police-chief-uvalde-stopped-gunman/?utm_medium=email

Texas State Police Chief: Uvalde Was 'Abject Failure,' Police Could Have Stopped Gunman in Three Minutes

"The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering Room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children."

C.J. Ciaramella6.21.2022 3:32 PM

Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw testified before state legislators today that the police response to the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, was an "abject failure" and said he strongly believed that the door to the classroom, which police officers waited outside of for more than an hour, was unlocked.

The statements were the strongest condemnations yet by Texas state law enforcement of the police response at Uvalde and further indication that an inexcusable cascade of poor decisions left two classrooms of children and their teachers at the mercy of the gunman.

McCraw called the decision to treat the shooter as a barricaded suspect an "abject failure and antithetical to everything we have learned over the past two decades."

McCraw singled out Uvalde school district police Chief Pete Arredondo, whom he identified as the on-scene commander at the incident: "The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering Room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children."

"The officers had weapons. The children had none," McCraw said. "The officers had body armor. The children had none. The officers had training. The subject had none. One hour, 14 minutes, and 8 seconds. That's how long children waited and the teachers waited in Room 111 to be rescued."

McCraw's testimony comes on the heels of reporting by multiple Texas news outlets that contradict Arredondo's narrative of the May 24 mass shooting that left 19 elementary school students and two teachers dead. Arredondo said in a recent interview with The Texas Tribune that he didn't consider himself to be the on-scene commander and that officers waited outside the door because they were outgunned and lacked breaching tools or keys to open the doors.

However, the Austin American-Statesman and KVUE-TV reviewed hallway footage of the incident and reported that officers arrived with a ballistic shield and rifles 19 minutes after the gunman entered the school. They also had a breaching tool, called a Halligan bar. The Texas Tribune reported that none of the security footage it reviewed shows officers checking the door or attempting to unlock it.

"I have great reasons to believe it was never secured," McCraw testified about the door. "How about trying the door and seeing if it's locked?"

McCraw testified today that police could have stopped the shooter within three minutes.

The reality of the massacre, coming out in dribs and drabs, has moved so far away from the original police narrative that public officials' older comments now read as farcical. Take Texas Gov. Gregg Abbot's comments from May 25, a day after the mass shooting.

"The reality is, as horrible as what happened, it could have been worse," Abbot said. "The reason it was not worse is that law enforcement officials did what they do. They showed amazing courage by running toward gunfire for the singular purpose of trying to save lives. And it is a fact that because of their quick response, getting on the scene of being able to respond to the gunman and eliminating the gunman, they were able to save lives."

Abbot later said he was misled about the events.

As Reason reported Monday, state and local agencies in Texas, ranging from the governor's office to the City of Uvalde, have geared up to fight the scores of public records requests filed by media outlets seeking more information on the police response to the shooting.

McCraw testified that the police response at Uvalde "set our profession back a decade." If agencies keep trying to shift blame and bury the t***h about that failure, they won't have a reputation left to salvage.

AuntiE Says: Nineteen families should not only sue the police department but individually every single Uvalde police officer who was at the school!
https://reason.com/2022/06/21/texas-state-police-c... (show quote)

Just goes to show all the thoughts prayers and good guys with guns won’t change a thing.

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Jun 21, 2022 17:58:22   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
AuntiE wrote:
https://reason.com/2022/06/21/texas-state-police-chief-uvalde-stopped-gunman/?utm_medium=email

Texas State Police Chief: Uvalde Was 'Abject Failure,' Police Could Have Stopped Gunman in Three Minutes

"The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering Room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children."

C.J. Ciaramella6.21.2022 3:32 PM

Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw testified before state legislators today that the police response to the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, was an "abject failure" and said he strongly believed that the door to the classroom, which police officers waited outside of for more than an hour, was unlocked.

The statements were the strongest condemnations yet by Texas state law enforcement of the police response at Uvalde and further indication that an inexcusable cascade of poor decisions left two classrooms of children and their teachers at the mercy of the gunman.

McCraw called the decision to treat the shooter as a barricaded suspect an "abject failure and antithetical to everything we have learned over the past two decades."

McCraw singled out Uvalde school district police Chief Pete Arredondo, whom he identified as the on-scene commander at the incident: "The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering Room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children."

"The officers had weapons. The children had none," McCraw said. "The officers had body armor. The children had none. The officers had training. The subject had none. One hour, 14 minutes, and 8 seconds. That's how long children waited and the teachers waited in Room 111 to be rescued."

McCraw's testimony comes on the heels of reporting by multiple Texas news outlets that contradict Arredondo's narrative of the May 24 mass shooting that left 19 elementary school students and two teachers dead. Arredondo said in a recent interview with The Texas Tribune that he didn't consider himself to be the on-scene commander and that officers waited outside the door because they were outgunned and lacked breaching tools or keys to open the doors.

However, the Austin American-Statesman and KVUE-TV reviewed hallway footage of the incident and reported that officers arrived with a ballistic shield and rifles 19 minutes after the gunman entered the school. They also had a breaching tool, called a Halligan bar. The Texas Tribune reported that none of the security footage it reviewed shows officers checking the door or attempting to unlock it.

"I have great reasons to believe it was never secured," McCraw testified about the door. "How about trying the door and seeing if it's locked?"

McCraw testified today that police could have stopped the shooter within three minutes.

The reality of the massacre, coming out in dribs and drabs, has moved so far away from the original police narrative that public officials' older comments now read as farcical. Take Texas Gov. Gregg Abbot's comments from May 25, a day after the mass shooting.

"The reality is, as horrible as what happened, it could have been worse," Abbot said. "The reason it was not worse is that law enforcement officials did what they do. They showed amazing courage by running toward gunfire for the singular purpose of trying to save lives. And it is a fact that because of their quick response, getting on the scene of being able to respond to the gunman and eliminating the gunman, they were able to save lives."

Abbot later said he was misled about the events.

As Reason reported Monday, state and local agencies in Texas, ranging from the governor's office to the City of Uvalde, have geared up to fight the scores of public records requests filed by media outlets seeking more information on the police response to the shooting.

McCraw testified that the police response at Uvalde "set our profession back a decade." If agencies keep trying to shift blame and bury the t***h about that failure, they won't have a reputation left to salvage.

AuntiE Says: Nineteen families should not only sue the police department but individually every single Uvalde police officer who was at the school!
https://reason.com/2022/06/21/texas-state-police-c... (show quote)


I have been advocating a 'wait until all the facts are in' as far as passing judgement on what happened. But it is not looking good for the police. I am not an officer, and I h**e to be a Monday morning quarterback, but I find it impossible to believe that I would have followed Arredondo's 'wait it out' orders. I think I would have gone in, even if it meant my job, or my life.
Why didn't they? And why are we not hearing more from the officers themselves?

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Jun 21, 2022 17:59:08   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Kevyn wrote:
Just goes to show all the thoughts prayers and good guys with guns won’t change a thing.


It shows not such thing, you blithering i***t.

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Jun 21, 2022 18:01:22   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
RandyBrian wrote:
It shows not such thing, you blithering i***t.


Sorry folks. Trash like Kevyn pushed a button that I thought was covered. I apologize for my outburst, though I stand by the factual nature of my comment.

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Jun 21, 2022 18:19:04   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Sorry folks. Trash like Kevyn pushed a button that I thought was covered. I apologize for my outburst, though I stand by the factual nature of my comment.


As a majority agree, no apologies are necessary.

It is unfortunate OPP changed the policy of Ignored users being able to comment on someone’s thread.

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Jun 21, 2022 19:09:17   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Sorry folks. Trash like Kevyn pushed a button that I thought was covered. I apologize for my outburst, though I stand by the factual nature of my comment.


Why apologize? Your comment, while factual, was exceptionally bland.
I admire your self control, but it needed a little more color, and spice for my taste.

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Jun 21, 2022 19:14:38   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
AuntiE wrote:
https://reason.com/2022/06/21/texas-state-police-chief-uvalde-stopped-gunman/?utm_medium=email

Texas State Police Chief: Uvalde Was 'Abject Failure,' Police Could Have Stopped Gunman in Three Minutes

"The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering Room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children."

C.J. Ciaramella6.21.2022 3:32 PM

Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw testified before state legislators today that the police response to the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, was an "abject failure" and said he strongly believed that the door to the classroom, which police officers waited outside of for more than an hour, was unlocked.

The statements were the strongest condemnations yet by Texas state law enforcement of the police response at Uvalde and further indication that an inexcusable cascade of poor decisions left two classrooms of children and their teachers at the mercy of the gunman.

McCraw called the decision to treat the shooter as a barricaded suspect an "abject failure and antithetical to everything we have learned over the past two decades."

McCraw singled out Uvalde school district police Chief Pete Arredondo, whom he identified as the on-scene commander at the incident: "The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering Room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children."

"The officers had weapons. The children had none," McCraw said. "The officers had body armor. The children had none. The officers had training. The subject had none. One hour, 14 minutes, and 8 seconds. That's how long children waited and the teachers waited in Room 111 to be rescued."

McCraw's testimony comes on the heels of reporting by multiple Texas news outlets that contradict Arredondo's narrative of the May 24 mass shooting that left 19 elementary school students and two teachers dead. Arredondo said in a recent interview with The Texas Tribune that he didn't consider himself to be the on-scene commander and that officers waited outside the door because they were outgunned and lacked breaching tools or keys to open the doors.

However, the Austin American-Statesman and KVUE-TV reviewed hallway footage of the incident and reported that officers arrived with a ballistic shield and rifles 19 minutes after the gunman entered the school. They also had a breaching tool, called a Halligan bar. The Texas Tribune reported that none of the security footage it reviewed shows officers checking the door or attempting to unlock it.

"I have great reasons to believe it was never secured," McCraw testified about the door. "How about trying the door and seeing if it's locked?"

McCraw testified today that police could have stopped the shooter within three minutes.

The reality of the massacre, coming out in dribs and drabs, has moved so far away from the original police narrative that public officials' older comments now read as farcical. Take Texas Gov. Gregg Abbot's comments from May 25, a day after the mass shooting.

"The reality is, as horrible as what happened, it could have been worse," Abbot said. "The reason it was not worse is that law enforcement officials did what they do. They showed amazing courage by running toward gunfire for the singular purpose of trying to save lives. And it is a fact that because of their quick response, getting on the scene of being able to respond to the gunman and eliminating the gunman, they were able to save lives."

Abbot later said he was misled about the events.

As Reason reported Monday, state and local agencies in Texas, ranging from the governor's office to the City of Uvalde, have geared up to fight the scores of public records requests filed by media outlets seeking more information on the police response to the shooting.

McCraw testified that the police response at Uvalde "set our profession back a decade." If agencies keep trying to shift blame and bury the t***h about that failure, they won't have a reputation left to salvage.

AuntiE Says: Nineteen families should not only sue the police department but individually every single Uvalde police officer who was at the school!
https://reason.com/2022/06/21/texas-state-police-c... (show quote)


I have no words for this. Makes me sick to my core.

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Jun 21, 2022 19:17:30   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
archie bunker wrote:
I have no words for this. Makes me sick to my core.


There are no words harsh enough!!!

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Jun 21, 2022 19:31:14   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
AuntiE wrote:
There are no words harsh enough!!!


Grrrrrr......Well, they say that law enforcement isn't there to protect us. They just write up the report, and call in the appropriate people to clean up the mess.
But, the pistol on my hip makes me dangerous.........

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Jun 21, 2022 19:57:29   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Kevyn wrote:
Just goes to show all the thoughts prayers and good guys with guns won’t change a thing.

DMF, any police force, worthy of badges and guns, that delays an assault for over one hour while children are being murdered in a school are not what you call "good guys", with or without guns.

There were enough armed police officers wearing body armor to stop the shooting three minutes after it began.
Why did they delay for an hour and 14 minutes?

Had they sent a US Marine assault squad or a Navy SEAL team to Robb Elementary,
the outcome would have been far different. The k**ler would have been unrecognizable.

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Jun 21, 2022 20:25:08   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
DMF, any police force, worthy of badges and guns, that delays an assault for over one hour while children are being murdered in a school are not what you call "good guys", with or without guns.

There were enough armed police officers wearing body armor to stop the shooting three minutes after it began.
Why did they delay for an hour and 14 minutes?

Had they sent a US Marine assault squad or a Navy SEAL team to Robb Elementary,
the outcome would have been far different. The k**ler would have been unrecognizable.
DMF, any police force, worthy of badges and guns, ... (show quote)


Q***rvin did his touch an go. He's gone.

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Jun 22, 2022 09:49:11   #
currahee506
 
The parallel situation with Sandyhook causes thinking to dwell on the "Marxist gun-control" conspiracy. What looms big in our heads is the question "Why was the order given by the commander to stand down?"

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Jun 22, 2022 11:00:42   #
Wickedestoldwolf
 
Kevyn wrote:
Just goes to show all the thoughts prayers and good guys with guns won’t change a thing.


Whatb"good guys" are you talking abouts?

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Jun 22, 2022 11:04:01   #
Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile
 
Kevyn wrote:
Just goes to show all the thoughts prayers and good guys with guns won’t change a thing.


I'm afraid you're right😔

most of the prayers come after the death 😔

and then they fade away 😔

Change will come when thought and prayer is proactive, and the good guys with guns have good leadership and plenty of courage.

Add to that a proper upbringing for all children so no more shooters are formed.

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