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Are You Listening DOJ? The Number Of Americans Who Want Trump Criminally Charged Grows To 58%
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Jun 21, 2022 10:41:26   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
JFlorio wrote:
He's such a full of himself punk.



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Jun 21, 2022 11:16:12   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
microphor wrote:
How are you so clueless we keep explaining it over and over to you and you don't seem to get it.

Seems like I'm doing all the explaining here Sparky. ;)

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Jun 21, 2022 11:50:27   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
WEBCO wrote:
Are you listening America, the number of people who want Joe Biden out of the Whitehouse is 80%

Wrong!! LOL - I just looked... That 80% is a reference to Republicans ONLY! 80% of the GOP wants Biden out. Sorry to disappoint you but the GOP is only about 43% of the American people. So that's 80% of 43% (or 34%) of the American people.

Biden's approval rating IS low, I won't dispute that - currently, Gallup has him at about an 39% approval rating, so about the same as Trump when the p******c hit. This figure also matches up pretty well with that 34% that you thought was 80% of the American people. The additional 5% probably comes from liberals and Libertarians who don't like Biden either.

And it's not surprising either with the economy being in the state it's in. It doesn't matter if a president has anything to do with it or not, if the economy is bad so too will his approval ratings be.

Still, 39% unhappy with your administration says a lot less than a whopping 58% demanding criminal charges.

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Jun 21, 2022 12:07:37   #
1ProudAmerican
 
Bad Bob wrote:
https://www.politicususa.com/2022/06/19/doj-trump-poll-crime.html





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Jun 21, 2022 12:09:24   #
WEBCO
 
straightUp wrote:
Wrong!! LOL - I just looked... That 80% is a reference to Republicans ONLY! 80% of the GOP wants Biden out. Sorry to disappoint you but the GOP is only about 43% of the American people. So that's 80% of 43% (or 34%) of the American people.

Biden's approval rating IS low, I won't dispute that - currently, Gallup has him at about an 39% approval rating, so about the same as Trump when the p******c hit. This figure also matches up pretty well with that 34% that you thought was 80% of the American people. The additional 5% probably comes from liberals and Libertarians who don't like Biden either.

And it's not surprising either with the economy being in the state it's in. It doesn't matter if a president has anything to do with it or not, if the economy is bad so too will his approval ratings be.

Still, 39% unhappy with your administration says a lot less than a whopping 58% demanding criminal charges.
Wrong!! LOL - I just looked... That 80% is a refer... (show quote)


No 80% of Americans think Biden is taking us, our country, in the wrong direction.

Bidens policies have EVERYTHING to do with where our economy is.

You don't like Trump, OK. I don't like him either, but I loved his Americans first policies that were great for our country and economy. Make new laws, just to get an individual? That's some real 3rd world dictator Schiff right there.

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Jun 21, 2022 12:15:09   #
1ProudAmerican
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Can he write from jail?


Why would he write when he'll be there visiting, h****r, barely there bribem, nasty nancy, hitlery, schmucky chuckie and so many others

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Jun 21, 2022 12:37:17   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
straightUp wrote:
How are you folks so clueless?

It's essentially been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that that Trump lied about the e******n "steal" which was the primary message of that speech. Every last investigation into v***r f***d turned up empty handed and now his closest advisors are also admitting that Trump was lying about it. The speech is only part of it. There is also the millions of dollars that went into his wild goose chase for any sign of possible corruption all based on his lie, not to mention the additional $250 million he raised from poor i***t Republicans to "stop the steal" that he and his family embezzled for personal use.

Like I was telling RandyBrain, this is new territory. We've never had such a sore looser for a president before. So refusing to hand over power to a duly elected successor is new to us. Having a president lie to a mob about the e******n results and encouraging them to "fight" it is also new stuff that we've never see before.

So let me explain something... Most criminal cases involve crimes that have been committed many times before so legal precedents are almost always available. Sometimes law makers find a reason to codify the precedent by making it a law. So it's not surprising that you're doing the Tucker Carlson "stupid act". "Gee, is it ILLEGAL to gouge someone's eye out with a spoon? Where is the law that actually says it's illegal to gouge an eye out with a spoon?"

The fact is, the absence of a precedent is rare so we are far less likely to understand what happens in such cases, but one thing is certain, the whole "where is the law that says..." excuse doesn't work. If someone does something new that people can sense is wrong. It doesn't matter if there is no law against it or previous precedent. We don't just dismiss a case simply because no one else was ever stupid enough to try it. What happens is a new precedent is set maybe even a new law will be written.

This is why our founders left us with a mutable Constitution and a set of laws AND methods for creating new laws... so we can use our own good judgement to resolve cases that haven't happened before or that the founders themselves could not possibly envision.

So don't worry if it seems Trump didn't violate any existing laws in relation to his effort to cling to power. They will MAKE the laws and what happens to Trump will BE the precedent going forward.

I recommend we hang him.
How are you folks so clueless? br br It's essenti... (show quote)



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Jun 21, 2022 13:32:52   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
The trial that's being televised on every channel - even Fox News. Where've YOU been?


A hearing is NOT the same thing as a 'trial'.

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Jun 21, 2022 13:49:18   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
I don't think the DOJ thinks the Constitution is problematic at all. If anyone should have a problem with the Constitution it would be Trump, not his prosecutors.

Maybe you ought to read the Constitution some day. ;)


You sure have some definite opinions on this. And you are entitled to them.
However.
According to you, and most of the left, Trump has committed this large bunch of crimes, corruption, and illegal activities, obvious to everyone.
So, once again, the Obama administration spent every effort the last part of 2016 to find something chargeable.
The entrenched bureaucracy, the DNC, the MSM, and every federally elected Democrat and Rino spent from 2017 through 2020 seeking the same.
Since January 2021 the full resources of the Biden Administration, the House of Representatives, and half of the Senate have continued the effort.
SEVEN FULL YEARS! Nothing. Two Impeachments that went nowhere because they could not prove anything. Just non-credible opinions presented as 'evidence' and lots of unsupported accusations.
Now, 58% of Americans (supposedly) want Trump charged. The mad mob is the ones who believe that justice should be controlled or swayed by a democracy.
Like the ones outside of the SCOTUS homes.
Like the B*M protesters.
And like you, apparently.
If the DOJ has something on Trump, charge him with my blessings. Crime should NOT be rewarded, including for a president. But I can't help but laugh at all the excuses, rationalizations, etc justifying why he has not been charged, after SEVEN YEARS.
And once again, a hearing is not a trial, so WHY do you keep calling it one? Never mind. Rhetorical question. We know why. Day dreams and fantasys.

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Jun 21, 2022 13:58:06   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
How are you folks so clueless?

It's essentially been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that that Trump lied about the e******n "steal" which was the primary message of that speech. Every last investigation into v***r f***d turned up empty handed and now his closest advisors are also admitting that Trump was lying about it. The speech is only part of it. There is also the millions of dollars that went into his wild goose chase for any sign of possible corruption all based on his lie, not to mention the additional $250 million he raised from poor i***t Republicans to "stop the steal" that he and his family embezzled for personal use.

Like I was telling RandyBrain, this is new territory. We've never had such a sore looser for a president before. So refusing to hand over power to a duly elected successor is new to us. Having a president lie to a mob about the e******n results and encouraging them to "fight" it is also new stuff that we've never see before.

So let me explain something... Most criminal cases involve crimes that have been committed many times before so legal precedents are almost always available. Sometimes law makers find a reason to codify the precedent by making it a law. So it's not surprising that you're doing the Tucker Carlson "stupid act". "Gee, is it ILLEGAL to gouge someone's eye out with a spoon? Where is the law that actually says it's illegal to gouge an eye out with a spoon?"

The fact is, the absence of a precedent is rare so we are far less likely to understand what happens in such cases, but one thing is certain, the whole "where is the law that says..." excuse doesn't work. If someone does something new that people can sense is wrong. It doesn't matter if there is no law against it or previous precedent. We don't just dismiss a case simply because no one else was ever stupid enough to try it. What happens is a new precedent is set maybe even a new law will be written.

This is why our founders left us with a mutable Constitution and a set of laws AND methods for creating new laws... so we can use our own good judgement to resolve cases that haven't happened before or that the founders themselves could not possibly envision.

So don't worry if it seems Trump didn't violate any existing laws in relation to his effort to cling to power. They will MAKE the laws and what happens to Trump will BE the precedent going forward.

I recommend we hang him.
How are you folks so clueless? br br It's essenti... (show quote)


And THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is f*****m. It is authoritarianism. Is is Rule by Mob, and Rule by Power, with NO relationship to Rule of Law. It is what they accuse Trump of seeking, while they are implementing it. Remember this post....copy it if you can. This is the left when they let their masks slip.
StraightUp makes an excellent spokesman for N**ism, does he not?

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Jun 21, 2022 16:20:16   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
WEBCO wrote:
No 80% of Americans think Biden is taking us, our country, in the wrong direction.

No, you're wrong... Go back and look at your source. Post it here if you want. I already checked... it's only 80% of the Republicans, which amounts to 34% of the American people.

WEBCO wrote:

Bidens policies have EVERYTHING to do with where our economy is.

Why because you say so? Sorry that doesn't fly with me. If you don't have an argument to back up your smack you may as well not have said anything at all. Trump's policies didn't get fully implemented until 2018, the first quarter of the very next year, the growth rate slowed for the first time since 2014. That actually happened right before the p******c hit and since then most economists agree that among the many causes of the current economic crisis the p******c is in fact the most significant.

Biden has only been in office for two years, barely enough time for his policies to have any effect on the economy. In the meantime, we are seeing the worst inflation in 40 years. I'm sorry but blaming Biden really doesn't even make sense. And here's one more thing to consider... The economic crisis is GLOBAL. So not only are you trying to blame the most significant economic crisis in decades on policies that have barely been implemented, you're also trying to blame a global crisis on the leader of one country.

Try thinking about what you're going to say next because so far what you got is a joke.


WEBCO wrote:

You don't like Trump, OK. I don't like him either, but I loved his Americans first policies that were great for our country and economy.

No, I don't like Trump as a person but that doesn't have any bearing on my opinion about his presidency. I am focused on policy and results not personality.

As far as I can tell, Trump's so-called "America First" policies almost destroyed our country AND the economy! His tax cuts resulted in record-breaking deficits. He raised taxes on imports (that's basically what a tariff is in case you didn't know) so yeah, he was *telling* you that he was punishing the Chinese but what he was actually doing was forcing American factories to pay higher taxes on materials like steel and of course they passed the added cost to the consumer.

He renegotiated NAFTA and as a result America lost more than it gained, largely because Trudeau is apparently a better negotiator. He pulled us out of the Iran deal where we at least had *some* visibility into their nuclear program because he said it was a bad deal and what did he replace it with? Nothing, so what little visibility we had was gone. He allowed Kim Jong-un to make a total fool of him. The UN, NATO the G8 all lost respect for an American president for the first time in history...

He supported Republican efforts to dial back workers rights to 1935. He dialed back protections for clean air and water to about 1970. He He k**led the fiduciary rule which was there to protect people from self-serving financial advisors and he tried like hell to k**l the ACA too... without having anything to replace it with.

He *told* us that he was going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it but Mexico just laughed and in the end Trump made Americans pay for it by stealing funds from our tax base and when Congress said he can't do that he shut down the government to pressure Congress into giving in. Thousands of federal workers went without pay.

Back to the economy, the first two years of Trumps term were nice, but that's because none of his policies had been implemented yet. 2017 and 2018 were basically riding the momentum created by Obama's policies, just like the economy in the first two years of Obama's terms, 2009 and 2010 were the result of the Bush policies. This is pretty a constant. If a president comes in and changes policy the effects aren't seen for at least two years. That's how long it takes to propagate. This would also apply to 2021 and 2022 but I'm cutting Trump a break on this one because the p******c really distorts the picture.

Trump did parade around a lot during the first two years trying to renegotiate deals with specific companies and he took bows for saving a few hundred jobs here and there, but in the meantime thousands of jobs were lost. Bottom line is, jobs were a net negative under his rule... Not only that but it's not even the president's job to negotiate the management of private sector companies.

His handling of the p******c was a total disaster, starting with his defunding of the CDC and p******c response teams just before the p******c hit, then he tried to turn the p******c into a profit opportunity by ordering the export of personal protective equipment and then setting up an import s**m to bring the same equipment back to America for an extra charge.

His i***t Operation Warp Speed or wh**ever he called it was a joke. He did not fund ANY of the research for the v*****es - all he did was promise to buy the v*****e when/if if ever gets to production, which is essentially what every other government in the world was doing.

The whole time all of this was going on, Trump made very little attempt to talk to Americans as a whole. Instead, he held e******n-style rallies for "his people" which alienated everyone else. This did NOT help unify Americans. On the contrary the divide between Americans was getting deeper. R****ts h**e groups were on the rise and Trump repeatedly refused to confront them, which ANY other president would have done.

He was impeached twice for violating the Constitution but Senate acquitted him both times because they found him useful and when he lost the e******n he lied to the American people that the e******n was s****n, which we all know now, wasn't true. In the meantime he wasted millions of dollars on recounts and investigation that all turned up empty-handed and encouraged a mob of useful i***ts to attack the Capitol.

So what part of ANY of this suggests to you the slightest concern for the America he was claiming to be putting first?

WEBCO wrote:

Make new laws, just to get an individual? That's some real 3rd world dictator Schiff right there.

No... not just to get an individual - to prevent any future assholes from doing the same thing. Every precedent and every law is a response to something someone did. Trump just happened to be the first POS to abuse the presidency like he did, so a new precedent or law is order. That's how the United States of American has always worked.

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Jun 21, 2022 16:33:32   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
RandyBrian wrote:
A hearing is NOT the same thing as a 'trial'.

Technically no, it's not... Is that what you got all excited about? You thought you got me on semantics? ;)

There *IS* a more generalized use of the word "trial" meaning ANY test of a persons claims. So one CAN say Trump on trial here (in a matter of speaking) and most people don't even know or care about the difference. To be honest, I used the word trial because I saw it listed that way and it stuck in my head and I really didn't give it anymore thought.

But you're right.... It's a hearing. That doesn't change anything though.

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Jun 21, 2022 16:44:16   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
No... not just to get an individual - to prevent any future assholes from doing the same thing. Every precedent and every law is a response to something someone did. Trump just happened to be the first POS to abuse the presidency like he did, so a new precedent or law is order. That's how the United States of American has always worked.


Well, as long as you objectively evaluating Trump's policies, I guess I can say that I have honestly and objectively evaluated your statements, and they do not pass the stink test any more than any the Biden policies do. All you have done is repeat the standard DNC talking points, highlighted with the silly notion that economic policies take four to five years to proliferate through the economy, and ending with the conclusion that anything bad happening in the economy is Trump's fault, and, I assume, anything good that happened in the Trump years was a result of Obama's policies.
And if that helps you sleep at night, then you should cater to your rationalizations.
The rest of us live in the real world where the speed of a policy's results are entirely dependent on the specific circumstances. For example, several things have affected inflation over the past year, but PRIMARILY the cause was Biden policies of attacking the oil industry. Which had an IMMEDIATE affect on investment, exploration, and delivery systems. This, in turn, had a VERY FAST affect on ANY and ALL products that have t***sportation costs associated with them. A very close second was the trillions of dollars printed, very little of which went where it was actually needed.
You can twist and rationalize and elucidate all you want, but WE lived it. WE paid attention. Every single prediction of what would happen if Biden won has come true faster than any but the most pessimistic predicted.
And you expect us to believe you now??????

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Jun 21, 2022 16:48:51   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
RandyBrian wrote:
And THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is f*****m. It is authoritarianism. Is is Rule by Mob, and Rule by Power, with NO relationship to Rule of Law. It is what they accuse Trump of seeking, while they are implementing it. Remember this post....copy it if you can. This is the left when they let their masks slip.
StraightUp makes an excellent spokesman for N**ism, does he not?

LOL - know you're just itching to throw back some N**i mud because the liberals have been pelting you folks with it for years now. But what you are describing isn't f*****m, it's anarchy and what I was describing isn't f*****m either it's constitutional law. Yes, the Constitution provides a process for creating new laws and this is how it has always worked, when someone does something bad that no one has done before a NEW law (or precedent) is created.

Think about it... According to your rules here, if I created a new way to k**l people, let's say an addictive drug that no one has ever heard of before. No one can make that illegal without being a f*****t because it would require a new law.

So, I'm sorry if your tired of liberals calling Trump and his followers f*****ts all the time but if you're going to try and throw that back at least look for something that actually looks like f*****m.

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Jun 21, 2022 16:49:55   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Well, as long as you objectively evaluating Trump's policies, I guess I can say that I have honestly and objectively evaluated your statements, and they do not pass the stink test any more than any the Biden policies do. All you have done is repeat the standard DNC talking points, highlighted with the silly notion that economic policies take four to five years to proliferate through the economy, and ending with the conclusion that anything bad happening in the economy is Trump's fault, and, I assume, anything good that happened in the Trump years was a result of Obama's policies.
And if that helps you sleep at night, then you should cater to your rationalizations.
The rest of us live in the real world where the speed of a policy's results are entirely dependent on the specific circumstances. For example, several things have affected inflation over the past year, but PRIMARILY the cause was Biden policies of attacking the oil industry. Which had an IMMEDIATE affect on investment, exploration, and delivery systems. This, in turn, had a VERY FAST affect on ANY and ALL products that have t***sportation costs associated with them. A very close second was the trillions of dollars printed, very little of which went where it was actually needed.
You can twist and rationalize and elucidate all you want, but WE lived it. WE paid attention. Every single prediction of what would happen if Biden won has come true faster than any but the most pessimistic predicted.
And you expect us to believe you now??????
Well, as long as you objectively evaluating Trump'... (show quote)


I see you've figured the biggest intellectual (in his own mind) on OPP out. Most people I'v met like this clown think they have to say a hundred words to impress you. You know; the kind when asked what time it is goes into detail on how to build a clock. After years of this clown, he's either a teacher or an I.T. guy, IMO., or possibly the most interesting person in the world. When he gets done bloviating and you realize the torture is over you suddenly realize you just got the same ol Democrat talking points.

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