Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA

Finally, some sanity in Women's Sports.

FINA (FINA is the international federation recognised by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) for administering international competitions in water sports) announced new guide lines that will go into effect, this Monday, June 20, 2022.

(quote) The "g****r inclusion policy" will only permit swimmers who t***sitioned before the age of 12 to compete in women’s events. FINA members v**ed 71.5% in favor of the new policies.

T*********r women and athletes whose legal g****r and/or g****r identity is female can compete in FINA-sanctioned events if "they can establish to FINA’s comfortable satisfaction that they have not experienced any part of male puberty beyond Tanner Stage 2 or before age 12, whichever is later."

The athlete must produce evidence they have "complete androgen insensitivity and therefore could not experience male puberty" or "They are androgen sensitive but had male puberty suppressed beginning at Tanner Stage 2 or before age 12, whichever is later, and they have since continuously maintained their testosterone levels in serum (or plasma) below 2.5 nmol/L" or "An unintentional deviation from the below 2.5 nmol/L requirement may result in retrospective disqualification of results and/or a prospective period of ineligibility or "An intentional deviation from the below 2.5 nmol/L requirement may result in retrospective disqualification of results and a prospective period of ineligibility equal or commensurate in length to periods imposed under the FINA DRC for intentional anti-doping rule violations involving anabolic steroids." (end quotes)

Seems that Lia Thomas won't be making the US Ladies Olympic Swim Team.

Now it's just a matter of time befor the other women's sports make adjuctments to their rules of "what is a Woman"

In the past I have described a woman as a person who is "Androgen Insensitive) whether with an XX or even an XY ,c********es or even a mutated combination.

Androgen Insensitive is the Determining Factor in the discription of a Woman...

https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/34116871/fina-v**es-restrict-t*********r-women-elite-competition

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

XX = Woman
XY = Man
Indisputable

And these new rules do not take it the fact that women have periods to contend with. Unequal and still unfair. And now they will be jamming even more drugs into preteens/KIDS.

Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA

Wrong!!! A few selected XY females has given birth and yes, menstarate... all of their children were born, Male

Androgen Sensitivity is what defines a Male. At Puberty their body produced Testosterone and they develope Male Traits.

Have to say you are Logocally Incorrect on this one... Better read up on the subject...and put your Learning Cap on for this one.

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

I acknowledge that there are freaks of nature. There are things like XXY. There are people that were part of mixed up twins that somehow ended up as one child at birth and have both male and female characteristics and body parts.

The things we are generally talking about here are people that say they are born in the wrong body/sex. They can think they are one thing all they want, but there body is a determining factor. It is either male XY or female XX. (Exclusive of a******lities beyond the current discussions) What they think and feel is their business. They can dress the way they want and act the way they want. But it still takes a uterus to get pregnant and XY does not produce a uterus. This is simple biology.

So, if someone who is born female and identifies as male in actions and dress, and even gets official records changed to reflect that and takes appropriate drugs, can get pregnant. But they are still a female in that respect, no matter how they look or act. They are not a male getting pregnant.

Now, if we still disagree, I really don't want to get into the freaks of nature. I wish them luck with wh**ever they want to do. My discussion points are about the current T***s stuff and people thinking they can change their sex.

Moving on

Logically Right

Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA

So you are calling infants born with g*****l birth defects (Mixed Gonadal dysgenesis) Freaks... How Christian of you.

Interesexed (pseudohermaphroditism) births account for about 1 in every 500 births, so a city of 50,000 residents mighty have as many as 100 individuals born with these defects. The US population of about 360 million would make the number at about 720,000.

Not one of those individuals are males identfying as a female to compete in women's soprts.

The FINA ruled that a swimmer must be Androgen Insensitive during their growth years so that they have not developed Male traits.

You dimissing the FINA ruling and calling those women who might have XY Chromosmes and have not develvoped male traits Freaks only shows your Bigotry against things you don't understand...

The classic example of an Ignorant Fool.

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

Yes, they are freaks of nature, as that condition is not normal. That doesn't make me a bigot for recognizing it. And you have to be a damn democrat to go on with this nonsense bull s**t. You don't like my terminology, FO. I don't like your calling me an ignorant fool. Coming from an ignorant fool, that is an insult. As for fima's ruling. they threw those t****y delusional kids with a mental condition a bone, a small bone. But it is a major victory for female athletes everywhere.

Tell us, how do you define a woman. Or are you as stupid as a democrat judge. Women have XX c********es and men have XY c********es. That is how the body gives instructions to the cells in how to develop.

Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA

You really are an ignorant fool doubling down on your stupidity...

A woman is Androdgen Insensitive... But I really shouldn't waste anymore time on you.

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

Now that is stupid. A woman is XX c********es. That then determines everything that follows. And you are right. I don't have any more time on stupid block headed fools. Buss off.

Logically Right

Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA

My mistake in trying to argue with a fool...

Swyer syndrome is just one example.

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/swyer-syndrome/

There are many other syndromes and combinations of Dysgenesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgenesis_(embryology)

This asshole has determined that all children born with G*****l birth defects are just "Freaks of Nature" , A*********ns that really don't count as Human Beings...

This thread was how FINA got it right in determining that participants in Women's swimming will be Androgen Insensitive and have not developed male traits during puberty. They have leveled the playing fired to not allow t*********r females with developed male traits to compete with biological (xx) females.