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May 29, 2022 13:22:36   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
https://www.creators.com/read/david-harsanyi/05/22/the-trouble-with-do-somethingism-on-guns

The Trouble With Do-Somethingism on Guns

Before we even knew how the k**ler of 19 children and two adults at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, had obtained his guns, Sen. Chris Murphy was engaging in his customary performative emotionalism on the Senate floor, literally begging Republicans to "compromise."

Compromise on what exactly? Murphy has never once offered a single proposal that would have deterred any of these mass shooters. Literally minutes after his routine, Murphy was asked about the obvious mental illness prevalent among most of these shooters. "Spare me the bulls—- about mental illness," the Connecticut senator responded, "ripping" the GOP. "We don't have any more mental illness than any other country in the world." That's how serious he is about compromise.

Whether America is more prone to mental illness or not, these incidents are almost exclusively perpetrated by young men who have exhibited serious antisocial behavior. All of them break a slew of existing laws. All of them have either obtained guns illegally, or legally before having any criminal record. In many, if not most, cases, the shooter is already on the cops' radar because he has threatened others or written insane, violent manifestos. In a study of mass shootings from 2008 to 2017, the Secret Service found that "100 percent of perpetrators showed concerning behaviors, and in 77 percent of shootings, at least one person — most often a peer — knew about their plan."

Rather than focusing on these tangible entry points for potentially useful legislation, instead of proposing ideas on better identifying shooters before they act, instead of thinking about how schools could be structurally safer, instead of debating the efficacy of putting more cops in schools — and none of these are panaceas, mind you — Senate Democrats were busy dunking on Republicans for failing to support bills that have absolutely zero to do with mass shootings.

Sen. Chuck Schumer planned to introduce H.R. 8, an expanded background check bill, and H.R. 1446, a bill that would close the alleged "Charleston Loophole" (before he realized it wouldn't be politically expedient). "Alleged" because Dylann Roof, who murdered nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina, in 2015, got a clean background check, not because of any "loophole," but because local prosecutors had failed to respond to the FBI's request for information. It was a case of human error, or negligence. So maybe Democrats should be promoting a "law-enforcement-should-do-its-job" bill.Because all "universal" background checks do is stop friends and families from gifting guns. Straw purchases are already illegal, as Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Murphy already know. And passing expanded background checks after a school shooting is tantamount to demanding stricter drivers tests after a hit and run.

Democrats, obsessed with largely irrelevant issues like AR-15s and "universal background checks," are largely living in the early 1990s. President Joe Biden's address to the nation consisted of a litany of hackneyed talking points he's been regurgitating for decades now — including that transcendently stupid joke about deer in Kevlar. "As a nation, we have to ask, when in God's name are we going to stand up to the gun lobby?" Biden said — again.

Democrats love to hammer the strawman "gun lobby" because they don't want to openly attack tens of millions of gun owners. The National Rifle Association, whose power has significantly diminished over the past decades, could disappear tomorrow and it wouldn't alter gun policy one bit. Either another organization would emerge — probably a more rigid one — or gun owners and Second Amendment advocates (we're in the midst of the largest expansion of gun ownership in American history) would continue v****g for politicians who oppose restrictions aimed at peaceful gun ownership.

Meanwhile, Republicans will have to deal with a barrage of preposterous smears. "There is no such thing as being 'pro-life' while supporting laws that let children be shot in their schools, elders in grocery stores, worshippers in their houses of faith, survivors by abusers, or anyone in a crowded place," Democrat Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez tweeted.

This was indicative of the sort of demented accusation thrown around these days. One suspects liberals who take to the internet to accuse Republicans of abetting infanticide aren't really interested in compromise. Unlike Ocasio-Cortez, who champions laws that empower people to terminate the lives of the viable unborn, I don't know of a single Republican who supports the gunning down of elementary school children.

Indeed, law-abiding Americans have no obligation to take ownership of a madman's actions. Nor is there any reason for them to surrender their right to self-defense so that Chris Murphy, who, evidenced in many of his comments, is only interested in incrementally limiting gun ownership. That's his right, of course. He should try to repeal the Second Amendment. Until then, however, Democrats interested in genuine compromise may want to offer realistic, productive and germane ideas, rather than using another horrific tragedy to dunk on their political opponents.

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May 29, 2022 13:30:56   #
steve66613
 
AuntiE wrote:
https://www.creators.com/read/david-harsanyi/05/22/the-trouble-with-do-somethingism-on-guns

The Trouble With Do-Somethingism on Guns

Before we even knew how the k**ler of 19 children and two adults at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, had obtained his guns, Sen. Chris Murphy was engaging in his customary performative emotionalism on the Senate floor, literally begging Republicans to "compromise."

Compromise on what exactly? Murphy has never once offered a single proposal that would have deterred any of these mass shooters. Literally minutes after his routine, Murphy was asked about the obvious mental illness prevalent among most of these shooters. "Spare me the bulls—- about mental illness," the Connecticut senator responded, "ripping" the GOP. "We don't have any more mental illness than any other country in the world." That's how serious he is about compromise.

Whether America is more prone to mental illness or not, these incidents are almost exclusively perpetrated by young men who have exhibited serious antisocial behavior. All of them break a slew of existing laws. All of them have either obtained guns illegally, or legally before having any criminal record. In many, if not most, cases, the shooter is already on the cops' radar because he has threatened others or written insane, violent manifestos. In a study of mass shootings from 2008 to 2017, the Secret Service found that "100 percent of perpetrators showed concerning behaviors, and in 77 percent of shootings, at least one person — most often a peer — knew about their plan."

Rather than focusing on these tangible entry points for potentially useful legislation, instead of proposing ideas on better identifying shooters before they act, instead of thinking about how schools could be structurally safer, instead of debating the efficacy of putting more cops in schools — and none of these are panaceas, mind you — Senate Democrats were busy dunking on Republicans for failing to support bills that have absolutely zero to do with mass shootings.

Sen. Chuck Schumer planned to introduce H.R. 8, an expanded background check bill, and H.R. 1446, a bill that would close the alleged "Charleston Loophole" (before he realized it wouldn't be politically expedient). "Alleged" because Dylann Roof, who murdered nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina, in 2015, got a clean background check, not because of any "loophole," but because local prosecutors had failed to respond to the FBI's request for information. It was a case of human error, or negligence. So maybe Democrats should be promoting a "law-enforcement-should-do-its-job" bill.Because all "universal" background checks do is stop friends and families from gifting guns. Straw purchases are already illegal, as Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Murphy already know. And passing expanded background checks after a school shooting is tantamount to demanding stricter drivers tests after a hit and run.

Democrats, obsessed with largely irrelevant issues like AR-15s and "universal background checks," are largely living in the early 1990s. President Joe Biden's address to the nation consisted of a litany of hackneyed talking points he's been regurgitating for decades now — including that transcendently stupid joke about deer in Kevlar. "As a nation, we have to ask, when in God's name are we going to stand up to the gun lobby?" Biden said — again.

Democrats love to hammer the strawman "gun lobby" because they don't want to openly attack tens of millions of gun owners. The National Rifle Association, whose power has significantly diminished over the past decades, could disappear tomorrow and it wouldn't alter gun policy one bit. Either another organization would emerge — probably a more rigid one — or gun owners and Second Amendment advocates (we're in the midst of the largest expansion of gun ownership in American history) would continue v****g for politicians who oppose restrictions aimed at peaceful gun ownership.

Meanwhile, Republicans will have to deal with a barrage of preposterous smears. "There is no such thing as being 'pro-life' while supporting laws that let children be shot in their schools, elders in grocery stores, worshippers in their houses of faith, survivors by abusers, or anyone in a crowded place," Democrat Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez tweeted.

This was indicative of the sort of demented accusation thrown around these days. One suspects liberals who take to the internet to accuse Republicans of abetting infanticide aren't really interested in compromise. Unlike Ocasio-Cortez, who champions laws that empower people to terminate the lives of the viable unborn, I don't know of a single Republican who supports the gunning down of elementary school children.

Indeed, law-abiding Americans have no obligation to take ownership of a madman's actions. Nor is there any reason for them to surrender their right to self-defense so that Chris Murphy, who, evidenced in many of his comments, is only interested in incrementally limiting gun ownership. That's his right, of course. He should try to repeal the Second Amendment. Until then, however, Democrats interested in genuine compromise may want to offer realistic, productive and germane ideas, rather than using another horrific tragedy to dunk on their political opponents.
https://www.creators.com/read/david-harsanyi/05/22... (show quote)


“Do something”, in liberal, l*****t, Marxist, progressive speak is: gun confiscation.

The Democrats’ next steps will be incomprehensible and devastating.

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May 29, 2022 13:35:49   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
steve66613 wrote:
“Do something”, in liberal, l*****t, Marxist, progressive speak is: gun confiscation.

The Democrats’ next steps will be incomprehensible, but, devastating.


Do something does NOT include utilization of the 300 existing gun laws. Prosecutors routinely drop gun charges.

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May 29, 2022 13:44:26   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
The big question is how can we stop the mass murder of children and other innocents? To me, the answer is clear. We must eliminate the means by which these maniacs commit these terrible crimes. We have to prevent them from obtaining semi automatic military style assault weapons and the high capacity magazines, Will it completely stop these random acts of mass murder? Of course not, but they will prevent many of them, and reduce the number of people k**led. We have to use common sense. Outlaw the sale of these instruments of war for civilian use. Make sure that people convicted of felonies, and those that have character disorders or other serious mental diseases can not legally buy any firearms. If we do these two things, we can save lots of lives.
I have four grandchildren, and I can think of no greater tragedy than losing one of them in such a senseless attack. I would rather see the Second Amendment repealed all together. I am a gun owner myself. I own it for the protection of my family. All that is needed for protecting your home and or family is a pistol or even better, a shotgun.

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May 29, 2022 13:57:41   #
Gatsby
 
AuntiE wrote:
Do something does NOT include utilization of the 300 existing gun laws. Prosecutors routinely drop gun charges.


AuntiE, I worked in a gun shop 50 years ago, there were 20,000 gun laws on the books in the US then.

The cry is always GUN violence, while the problem is gun VIOLENCE.

Treat the disease, not the symptom.

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May 29, 2022 14:11:59   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
The big question is how can we stop the mass murder of children and other innocents? To me, the answer is clear. We must eliminate the means by which these maniacs commit these terrible crimes. We have to prevent them from obtaining semi automatic military style assault weapons and the high capacity magazines, Will it completely stop these random acts of mass murder? Of course not, but they will prevent many of them, and reduce the number of people k**led. We have to use common sense. Outlaw the sale of these instruments of war for civilian use. Make sure that people convicted of felonies, and those that have character disorders or other serious mental diseases can not legally buy any firearms. If we do these two things, we can save lots of lives.
I have four grandchildren, and I can think of no greater tragedy than losing one of them in such a senseless attack. I would rather see the Second Amendment repealed all together. I am a gun owner myself. I own it for the protection of my family. All that is needed for protecting your home and or family is a pistol or even better, a shotgun.
The big question is how can we stop the mass murde... (show quote)


I am not even going to bother with your idiocy of restricting certain guns from ownership by law abiding citizens.

” Make sure that people convicted of felonies, and those that have character disorders or other serious mental diseases can not legally buy any firearms.”

Agreed; however, your Democratic House of Representative and Senators have repetitively v**ed against increased funding to up date the NICS system. They have repetitively v**ed against requirements that law enforcement timely report felony convictions and reporting of interactions with people such as Ramos.

You completely failed to consider anything related to increased school safety precautions, ie hardening of schools. Why is that not part of your solution? Rhetorical question. As with all l*****t, you ignore the easiest solution and go for the guns.

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May 29, 2022 14:13:46   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Gatsby wrote:
AuntiE, I worked in a gun shop 50 years ago, there were 20,000 gun laws on the books in the US then.

The cry is always GUN violence, while the problem is gun VIOLENCE.

Treat the disease, not the symptom.


It is always about the taking of guns. It is NEVER about the causation of the act.

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May 29, 2022 14:24:50   #
Gatsby
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
The big question is how can we stop the mass murder of children and other innocents? To me, the answer is clear. We must eliminate the means by which these maniacs commit these terrible crimes. We have to prevent them from obtaining semi automatic military style assault weapons and the high capacity magazines, Will it completely stop these random acts of mass murder? Of course not, but they will prevent many of them, and reduce the number of people k**led. We have to use common sense. Outlaw the sale of these instruments of war for civilian use. Make sure that people convicted of felonies, and those that have character disorders or other serious mental diseases can not legally buy any firearms. If we do these two things, we can save lots of lives.
I have four grandchildren, and I can think of no greater tragedy than losing one of them in such a senseless attack. I would rather see the Second Amendment repealed all together. I am a gun owner myself. I own it for the protection of my family. All that is needed for protecting your home and or family is a pistol or even better, a shotgun.
The big question is how can we stop the mass murde... (show quote)


Make sure that people convicted of felonies, and those that have character disorders or other serious mental diseases can not legally buy any firearms. you say.

Then why "Outlaw the sale of these instruments of war for civilian use."?

People convicted of felonies, and those with serious mental diseases can not legally buy any firearms now.

Now you want to add "those that have character disorders"? Give a legal definition "character disorder"?

Who would you designate to make such a diagnosis?

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May 29, 2022 14:53:10   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
steve66613 wrote:
“Do something”, in liberal, l*****t, Marxist, progressive speak is: gun confiscation.

The Democrats’ next steps will be incomprehensible and devastating.


I think the Uvalde shooting was as incomprehensible and devastating as you can get. If you catch my drift.

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May 29, 2022 14:55:39   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
The big question is how can we stop the mass murder of children and other innocents? To me, the answer is clear. We must eliminate the means by which these maniacs commit these terrible crimes. We have to prevent them from obtaining semi automatic military style assault weapons and the high capacity magazines, Will it completely stop these random acts of mass murder? Of course not, but they will prevent many of them, and reduce the number of people k**led. We have to use common sense. Outlaw the sale of these instruments of war for civilian use. Make sure that people convicted of felonies, and those that have character disorders or other serious mental diseases can not legally buy any firearms. If we do these two things, we can save lots of lives.
I have four grandchildren, and I can think of no greater tragedy than losing one of them in such a senseless attack. I would rather see the Second Amendment repealed all together. I am a gun owner myself. I own it for the protection of my family. All that is needed for protecting your home and or family is a pistol or even better, a shotgun.
The big question is how can we stop the mass murde... (show quote)


You didn't think this through. Not surprising. The Uvalde shooter was locked in a room with a bunch of ten year old kids for nearly an hour while the police tried to get their heads out of their asses. You DON"T NEED a semi-auto rifle to k**l 19 kids when you have all the time in the world. You could do just as well with a single shot rifle or shotgun. Has it ever occurred to you there is a REASON why all these mass shootings occur in gun free zones? Do you think it a coincidence? There is no such thing as a "semi-automatic military style assault weapon." They exist in the heads of people who don't know any better. If they didn't have semi auto rifles they would simply use something else, since they almost invariably pick targets where there is almost no chance of anyone shooting back. High capacity magazines? What would you call that? How many rounds would one hold? It doesn't matter whether it is a five, ten, twenty or thirty round magazine; anyone except perhaps a ten thumbed Liberal can learn to change them out in less than five seconds.
You said "all that is needed to protect your home and family is a pistol or even better, a shotgun." I find that amusing. Tell us, how many times have you had to use a firearm to protect your home and family? I'm betting it's zero. Don't you think it's a little presumptuous of you to tell those of us who HAVE used firearms for protection what we do or do not need? Trust me, it's a little different when the target is shooting back.

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May 29, 2022 14:55:50   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
The big question is how can we stop the mass murder of children and other innocents? To me, the answer is clear. We must eliminate the means by which these maniacs commit these terrible crimes. We have to prevent them from obtaining semi automatic military style assault weapons and the high capacity magazines, Will it completely stop these random acts of mass murder? Of course not, but they will prevent many of them, and reduce the number of people k**led. We have to use common sense. Outlaw the sale of these instruments of war for civilian use. Make sure that people convicted of felonies, and those that have character disorders or other serious mental diseases can not legally buy any firearms. If we do these two things, we can save lots of lives.
I have four grandchildren, and I can think of no greater tragedy than losing one of them in such a senseless attack. I would rather see the Second Amendment repealed all together. I am a gun owner myself. I own it for the protection of my family. All that is needed for protecting your home and or family is a pistol or even better, a shotgun.
The big question is how can we stop the mass murde... (show quote)
I am way past sick and tired of hearing the l*****t meme that the AR15 is a "military style assault weapon" and that high capacity magazines make this semi-auto rifle the most lethal gun on earth.
You'd think this medium power, medium range sporting rifle was a WMD one notch below a 5 kiloton tactical nuke.

The fact is, the military issue M16 was developed based on the AR platform. IOW, you could say the military M16 is a "civilian style" rifle redesigned for select fire - semi-auto, burst fire and full auto.
Put simply, the AR15 was never designed and manufactured for military use.
The AR 15 cannot fire bullets any faster than any other semi-auto firearm.
Ask a soldier, Marine, or navy SEAL to take an AR15 into combat and he'd tell you to shove it up your ass.

According to well researched statistics, over 95% of all gun related crimes, including mass shootings, are committed with hand guns.

I am also way past sick and tired of hearing the l*****t insanity about repealing the 2nd Amendment.
If you damned fools succeed in doing that, the violence we are witnessing today is gonna look like a picnic in the park.

Here is a list of all adults and children k**led in school shootings since Columbine.

Over the past 23 years, 169 people have been k**led in school shootings.
That is an average of 7 victims per year.
82 of the victims were under 15 years of age.

Since 1982 - 40 years - 1363 people - men, women and children - have been k**led in mass shootings (includes schools).
That is an average of 34 victims per year.

Since January 1, 2022, 243 people of all ages have been murdered in Chicago.
That is an average of 48 victims per month.

Since 1973 - 49 years - 63.8 million unborn children were k**led in the mother's womb.
That is an average of 12 million victims per year, or 3522 per day.

According to CDC stats, in the US, the number of people dying of drug overdoses has climbed to over 100,000 per year.

Violent crimes have reached unprecedented numbers in the last two years.
Crime data from Baltimore, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City, Philadelphia, Seattle and Washington, D.C.,
reveals violent crimes have increased anywhere from nearly 5% to up to 40% compared to the same time frame in 2021.
New York City has so far seen the largest increase in violent crimes, with a 40.6% increase compared to 2021. The city has recorded 43,244 violent crime incidents since May 15, compared to 2021’s 30,754 recorded during the same timeframe.

Why have mass shootings and violent crime in general been climbing rapidly since the summer r**ts and C***d lock downs in 2020?

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May 29, 2022 14:58:06   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Gatsby wrote:
AuntiE, I worked in a gun shop 50 years ago, there were 20,000 gun laws on the books in the US then.

The cry is always GUN violence, while the problem is gun VIOLENCE.

Treat the disease, not the symptom.
You got it.
And, I'll wager there isn't a l*****t alive who can identify the disease.

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May 29, 2022 16:28:15   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
The big question is how can we stop the mass murder of children and other innocents? To me, the answer is clear. We must eliminate the means by which these maniacs commit these terrible crimes. We have to prevent them from obtaining semi automatic military style assault weapons and the high capacity magazines, Will it completely stop these random acts of mass murder? Of course not, but they will prevent many of them, and reduce the number of people k**led. We have to use common sense. Outlaw the sale of these instruments of war for civilian use. Make sure that people convicted of felonies, and those that have character disorders or other serious mental diseases can not legally buy any firearms. If we do these two things, we can save lots of lives.
I have four grandchildren, and I can think of no greater tragedy than losing one of them in such a senseless attack. I would rather see the Second Amendment repealed all together. I am a gun owner myself. I own it for the protection of my family. All that is needed for protecting your home and or family is a pistol or even better, a shotgun.
The big question is how can we stop the mass murde... (show quote)


***The big question is how can we stop the mass murder of children and other innocents?
>>>Try enforcing the laws already on the books. Until then STFU. A sick individual can k**l many more with a car, or a bomb, or mass poisoning, etc.
The biggest reason for almost unlimited gun ownership is a government that would take away that right.

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May 29, 2022 16:43:32   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
***The big question is how can we stop the mass murder of children and other innocents?
>>>Try enforcing the laws already on the books. Until then STFU. A sick individual can k**l many more with a car, or a bomb, or mass poisoning, etc.
The biggest reason for almost unlimited gun ownership is a government that would take away that right.
Gun control laws punish only law abiding gun owners. Enforcement of these draconian laws, even the most restrictive, has no measurable effect on reducing violent crime. Criminals and psychos care nothing about laws.

Do we heal a collapsing society by just treating the symptoms?
Or, do we go for the disease causing the collapse?

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May 29, 2022 16:54:38   #
American Vet
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
The big question is how can we stop the mass murder of children and other innocents? To me, the answer is clear. We must eliminate the means by which these maniacs commit these terrible crimes. We have to prevent them from obtaining semi automatic military style assault weapons and the high capacity magazines,


Clear only to ELWNJs such as you.

A much more clear approach:

First: Enforce existing laws. The young man in Uvalde should have been on the NICS list.

Second: Schools are soft targets - make them hard targets. And for those who cry about how expensive it is - ask them how much a child's life is worth. And ask them how much we spend on i*****l a***ns. And ask them how much money goes to foreign countries. And countless other wastes of taxpayers dollars.

Then start with these.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-schools-in-israel-keep-students-safe-and-prevent-mass-shootings/

When terrorists attacked a school in Maalot in 1974, instead of declaring every school a gun-free zone, Israel passed a law mandating armed security in schools, provided weapons training to teachers, and, even today, runs frequent active shooter drills. There have been only two school shootings since then, and both have ended with teachers k*****g the terrorists.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/israel-armed-teachers/

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