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May 17, 2022 02:24:59   #
Drue-Marie
 
archie bunker wrote:
This guy is the worst!! And, I agree with you.
My wife had two miscarriages before she could carry a baby to term. No alchohol, tobacco, or anything. Each one crushed her soul.
Any person who can spout crap like this is pure evil in my mind.


I am so very sorry for you. I can't begin to understand what you are going through.

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May 17, 2022 09:52:48   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
robertv3 wrote:
I very much disagree with your statement. I am disagreeing with it on logical grounds, as follows:

You wrote: "... if there is any doubt - ANY DOUBT AT ALL - that a life might be terminated unnecessarily, then a******ns should not be approved for any reason ...".

Consider the following statement, which I just now made up, and which, I believe, is logically equivalent to your statement.

"If there is any doubt - ANY DOUBT AT ALL - that someone might die as a result of an action, then that type of action should never be approved for any reason."

A great many actions, even some we consider very normal, might result in an unnecessary death.

Example 1: driving a car on a public road. We know that some people are going to die every day from driving accidents on the roads. They are unnecessary deaths. These unnecessary deaths by driving accidents could be prevented if everybody just stopped driving. Some such fatal accidents happened by reason of kids having fun joyriding or showing off to their friends by driving fast, yet _some_ such fatal accidents happened because of _another_ "reason"(!) such as some driver momentarily not paying enough attention to the road -- the type of thing which is sure to happen if enough people drive enough times. The statement disallows the driving for all reasons if even one reason (showing off to friends by driving fast) might lead to a death.

Example 2: passing another vehicle, on a two-lane highway (the kind that has one lane going one way, and the other lane going the other way). Passing on such roads increases the likelihood of deaths by collision with an oncoming car. The vast majority of those deaths (presumably) are unnecessary deaths. (Exceptions might be emergency situations such as where an ambulance has to pass to get a patient to the emergency room on time.) To prevent that kind of accident, everybody (except maybe ambulance drivers) could stop passing on such roads.

Example 3: medical procedures. Some of them result in deaths which would not have occurred if the patient had just stayed home instead. They're not really necessary deaths. For example, I had an operation a couple of years ago. It was pretty safe, but there was still some small chance I could have died an unnecessary death from it. (Maybe it was a 0.00001 percent chance of death.). All it was was a hernia repair; I could have LIVED a long time without that operation being done (I just would have been a lot weaker for the rest of my life, as a result of the unrepaired hernia). There will always be _some_ chance of death from such an operation, though the chance might be very small.

Example 4: enforcing the law. Some deaths result from using force while enforcing laws. And yet, we consider it normal that force is one of the options that sometimes has to be used when enforcing some laws. To prevent the occasional deaths by law enforcement, the first thing we could do is just prevent law enforcement from ever using force at all, because (revisiting the statement (the version I made up)):

"If there is any doubt - ANY DOUBT AT ALL - that someone might die as a result of an action, then that type of action should never be approved for any reason."

And _your_ statement, which I had quoted above, was, again:

"... if there is any doubt - ANY DOUBT AT ALL - that a life might be terminated unnecessarily, then a******ns should not be approved for any reason ..."

So my disagreement is about the logic of your statement.
I very much disagree with your statement. I am di... (show quote)

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May 17, 2022 12:41:35   #
pegw
 
EmilyD wrote:
Tell us: Why is a******n such a huge issue? Why such a ruckus about it: protests, marches, parades....why all the hoopla??? It's because of the question of probable murder of innocent human life.

Isn't it better to err on the side of life? This issue is based on opinions - some pro and some con...but if there is any doubt - ANY DOUBT AT ALL - that a life might be terminated unnecessarily, then a******ns should not be approved for any reason, not even rape or incest, and even, in my opinion, the potential life of the mother (the baby's life is more important than the mother's!)

It is very, VERY possible that at least one of the 800,000+ a******ns every year resulted in the death of a human being. And even if it is only once out of 800,000+ a******ns that a life is saved, then banning a******ns - the intentional, pre-meditated k*****g of an innocent life - should be addressed as if it is a homicide.
Tell us: Why is a******n such a huge issue? Why su... (show quote)


A******ns are much safer than caring a child. We in America, have the highest maternal mortality rate in the developed world.

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May 17, 2022 13:13:17   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
pegw wrote:
A******ns are much safer than caring a child. We in America, have the highest maternal mortality rate in the developed world.


Not safer for the baby. Ever ponder on the fact that 1/4 of our population has been murdered, ripped fron the womb. That's 80 million souls that had no chance at life. Think of the potential lost. What greatness has been destroyed. How much more of the world's insanity will God tolerate?

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May 17, 2022 20:13:47   #
woodguru
 
son of witless wrote:
You have a fertile imagination. Were these things common before Roe verses Wade ? What else does your imagination tell you ?


We've already seen Texas take an aborted try at it because a nurse turned a woman who came in on emergency with a miscarriage, no stretch to say that anti a******n state prosecutors will go there.

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May 17, 2022 20:14:49   #
EmilyD
 
robertv3 wrote:
I very much disagree with your statement. I am disagreeing with it on logical grounds, as follows:

You wrote: "... if there is any doubt - ANY DOUBT AT ALL - that a life might be terminated unnecessarily, then a******ns should not be approved for any reason ...".

Consider the following statement, which I just now made up, and which, I believe, is logically equivalent to your statement.

"If there is any doubt - ANY DOUBT AT ALL - that someone might die as a result of an action, then that type of action should never be approved for any reason."

A great many actions, even some we consider very normal, might result in an unnecessary death.

Example 1: driving a car on a public road. We know that some people are going to die every day from driving accidents on the roads. They are unnecessary deaths. These unnecessary deaths by driving accidents could be prevented if everybody just stopped driving. Some such fatal accidents happened by reason of kids having fun joyriding or showing off to their friends by driving fast, yet _some_ such fatal accidents happened because of _another_ "reason"(!) such as some driver momentarily not paying enough attention to the road -- the type of thing which is sure to happen if enough people drive enough times. The statement disallows the driving for all reasons if even one reason (showing off to friends by driving fast) might lead to a death.

Example 2: passing another vehicle, on a two-lane highway (the kind that has one lane going one way, and the other lane going the other way). Passing on such roads increases the likelihood of deaths by collision with an oncoming car. The vast majority of those deaths (presumably) are unnecessary deaths. (Exceptions might be emergency situations such as where an ambulance has to pass to get a patient to the emergency room on time.) To prevent that kind of accident, everybody (except maybe ambulance drivers) could stop passing on such roads.

Example 3: medical procedures. Some of them result in deaths which would not have occurred if the patient had just stayed home instead. They're not really necessary deaths. For example, I had an operation a couple of years ago. It was pretty safe, but there was still some small chance I could have died an unnecessary death from it. (Maybe it was a 0.00001 percent chance of death.). All it was was a hernia repair; I could have LIVED a long time without that operation being done (I just would have been a lot weaker for the rest of my life, as a result of the unrepaired hernia). There will always be _some_ chance of death from such an operation, though the chance might be very small.

Example 4: enforcing the law. Some deaths result from using force while enforcing laws. And yet, we consider it normal that force is one of the options that sometimes has to be used when enforcing some laws. To prevent the occasional deaths by law enforcement, the first thing we could do is just prevent law enforcement from ever using force at all, because (revisiting the statement (the version I made up)):

"If there is any doubt - ANY DOUBT AT ALL - that someone might die as a result of an action, then that type of action should never be approved for any reason."

And _your_ statement, which I had quoted above, was, again:

"... if there is any doubt - ANY DOUBT AT ALL - that a life might be terminated unnecessarily, then a******ns should not be approved for any reason ..."

So my disagreement is about the logic of your statement.
I very much disagree with your statement. I am di... (show quote)

I am not interested in what you have to say, Penny. Get lost.

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May 17, 2022 20:18:03   #
woodguru
 
Sonny Magoo wrote:
Do drugs and have a f'd up baby in my state and see if you take the baby home!
NOT!


We're talking about miscarriages, and women being put through inquisitions if they miscarry. And to say it won't happen is sheer ignorance and delusion.

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May 17, 2022 20:25:13   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
woodguru wrote:
We're talking about miscarriages, and women being put through inquisitions if they miscarry. And to say it won't happen is sheer ignorance and delusion.

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May 17, 2022 20:29:44   #
son of witless
 
woodguru wrote:
We've already seen Texas take an aborted try at it because a nurse turned a woman who came in on emergency with a miscarriage, no stretch to say that anti a******n state prosecutors will go there.


When they do, lets us know.

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May 17, 2022 21:00:38   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
We're talking about miscarriages, and women being put through inquisitions if they miscarry. And to say it won't happen is sheer ignorance and delusion.


To say it will is.

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May 17, 2022 21:09:26   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
archie bunker wrote:
To say it will is.

You are living in a fairytale world. Some people are mean. And some are greedy, $10,000 is incentive.

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May 17, 2022 21:37:57   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
RascalRiley wrote:
You are living in a fairytale world. Some people are mean. And some are greedy, $10,000 is incentive.


Ok. So, let's just roll with supposition, and fear over common sense. It's what y'all do.

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May 18, 2022 19:51:24   #
robertv3
 
EmilyD wrote:
I am not interested in what you have to say, Penny. Get lost.


Can anyone here tell me who "Penny" is?

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May 18, 2022 19:55:19   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
archie bunker wrote:
Ok. So, let's just roll with supposition, and fear over common sense. It's what y'all do.

Or turn a blind eye. Ignorance is bliss.

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May 18, 2022 19:55:30   #
robertv3
 
RascalRiley wrote:
You are living in a fairytale world. Some people are mean. And some are greedy, $10,000 is incentive.


Yes.

Not only that, but also, the very fact that money is being offered as an incentive encourages the notion that such things (tattling, or wh**ever's being rewarded) _should_ be done _for_ the money.

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