An Atheist? Me?
Apr 29, 2022 16:00:12 #
manning5
Loc: Richmond, VA
What if I were an atheist? What would my Worldview be? I am going to try to discover it.
Obviously, I do not believe in God, the Church, or any of the Biblical admonitions of a religious nature. Or in any other religion that has a god or God-like figure to worship. Nor any such creed.
What do I believe in strongly? What do I worship? Several possibilities come to mind:
I worship the State, be it America, or some other State, real or possible.
Do I worship Freedom, Liberty, the Constitution? Possibly, or possibly not. I have the option of worshiping these things just for me, but perhaps not for others that would oppose me. I think I believe in some sort of Utopia in the future...
Do I believe in free speech? Well, yes, for me, but I am not so sure for others again. They will harangue me to death with their sermons and prayers and evangelism. I don't need that!
I suppose I must accept the law else I will be jailed for breaking it. But accepting it is not believing in it, it is merely an accommodation to the reality I live in.
Am I a political animal? Oh yes, I most definitely am! What are my politics? The current set of parties seem to be connected to a combination of Christianity and Atheistic Democracy tinged with ideas of Collectivism and Group Identity, and the concept of change for the better (but how and for whom is not clearly stated). They seem more interested in individuals and groups than the nation itself, and I suspect it goes back to Utopiaism again. I like Utopian ideas!
Do I agree with the restrictions being placed on use of language, such that it has to be politically correct? And do I have to find the correct pronoun to use when faced with someone out of L***Q Land? Maybe, maybe not! It is my choice, not theirs, and I was brought up with a well-formed vocabulary, that I will not trade it in for some small number of people that fancy themselves arbiters of the English language. They are not!
Having said that, if an individual requests that I address them in a peculiar way, I will oblige them as a matter of personal courtesy. But Fie on the PCers!
Do I have an ethical, and moral compass to guide me through life? I either had to create them for myself or adopt a system from somewhere. Seems practical to adopt what everyone else is practicing, such as the last four or five of the ten Commandments: Don't k**l; Don't lie; Don't commit adultery; Don't steal; Don't covet; Honor they Father and Mother. And I might as well throw in the Golden Rule to be a good person.
On the other hand, isn't morality a relative thing? If I travel around the world, and stop off at various countries, I will bet that their moral compass is not exactly aligned with mine and may be hugely different in some respects. Some of them are into genocide, for example, which strains my imagination to understand that act. So, do I believe in morality and moral absolutes? No, it's all relative, I think!
Back to that idea of Utopia. Would it not be nice if everyone had enough to eat, a nice place to sleep and dream, and free health care, free education, and free vacations? Plus a job they adore and make a good living at in, say 20 hours a week, and an automobile to tootle around in! Hmm! Sounds good! Could we have this for all 356 million people in the US? Isn't this the idea behind socialism and c*******m? And the true socialists and c*******ts are not God-driven, they are atheistic too!
How do we get there? Ole Marx had the idea. You must totally destroy the current system of government and economy you are in to begin with, in order to build it back better! This might take a lot of time, and be quite painful to a lot of folks, but in the end, we reach those goals by power grabs and turning all of industry to serve the people. All the profits, minus what is needed to run the government and military, would go to you and me!
This atheist has no spiritual tie or allegiance to a Christian nation so what's a few years of turmoil if the outcome is so grand? It doesn't matter what you call it, be it socialism, secular humanism, c*******m, or even democracy!
There seems to be a very current and powerful movement to change America in just this way, and lots of fellow atheists are supporting the thrust! It is revolutionary! And so humane! I should join it. I must find out who is leading the effort and give them a hand.
Hold on a minute! This is c*******m, or its little brother socialism, we are talking about. There is a lot of history behind the c*******t movement, and it is not all sunshine and roses either. Every one of the nations that went this way, ended up with a dictatorship of some kind, and they had to create a secret police to keep the citizens in check, close their society to the outside world, and build a strong military machine to defend their nation against non-existent threats.
The populace ended up a lot poorer and ill-served by the captive industry that couldn't be managed by mere mortals, even with powerful modern computers and software. Churches were closed for a long time, too.
Well now! The US of A looks far better than that to me! That is, if we can keep it safe and sound against the L*****ts. That is going to be a really hard task for us, atheists and others alike, to fend off this revolutionary idea of the Left. I reject the Left ideas!
We must win!
Obviously, I do not believe in God, the Church, or any of the Biblical admonitions of a religious nature. Or in any other religion that has a god or God-like figure to worship. Nor any such creed.
What do I believe in strongly? What do I worship? Several possibilities come to mind:
I worship the State, be it America, or some other State, real or possible.
Do I worship Freedom, Liberty, the Constitution? Possibly, or possibly not. I have the option of worshiping these things just for me, but perhaps not for others that would oppose me. I think I believe in some sort of Utopia in the future...
Do I believe in free speech? Well, yes, for me, but I am not so sure for others again. They will harangue me to death with their sermons and prayers and evangelism. I don't need that!
I suppose I must accept the law else I will be jailed for breaking it. But accepting it is not believing in it, it is merely an accommodation to the reality I live in.
Am I a political animal? Oh yes, I most definitely am! What are my politics? The current set of parties seem to be connected to a combination of Christianity and Atheistic Democracy tinged with ideas of Collectivism and Group Identity, and the concept of change for the better (but how and for whom is not clearly stated). They seem more interested in individuals and groups than the nation itself, and I suspect it goes back to Utopiaism again. I like Utopian ideas!
Do I agree with the restrictions being placed on use of language, such that it has to be politically correct? And do I have to find the correct pronoun to use when faced with someone out of L***Q Land? Maybe, maybe not! It is my choice, not theirs, and I was brought up with a well-formed vocabulary, that I will not trade it in for some small number of people that fancy themselves arbiters of the English language. They are not!
Having said that, if an individual requests that I address them in a peculiar way, I will oblige them as a matter of personal courtesy. But Fie on the PCers!
Do I have an ethical, and moral compass to guide me through life? I either had to create them for myself or adopt a system from somewhere. Seems practical to adopt what everyone else is practicing, such as the last four or five of the ten Commandments: Don't k**l; Don't lie; Don't commit adultery; Don't steal; Don't covet; Honor they Father and Mother. And I might as well throw in the Golden Rule to be a good person.
On the other hand, isn't morality a relative thing? If I travel around the world, and stop off at various countries, I will bet that their moral compass is not exactly aligned with mine and may be hugely different in some respects. Some of them are into genocide, for example, which strains my imagination to understand that act. So, do I believe in morality and moral absolutes? No, it's all relative, I think!
Back to that idea of Utopia. Would it not be nice if everyone had enough to eat, a nice place to sleep and dream, and free health care, free education, and free vacations? Plus a job they adore and make a good living at in, say 20 hours a week, and an automobile to tootle around in! Hmm! Sounds good! Could we have this for all 356 million people in the US? Isn't this the idea behind socialism and c*******m? And the true socialists and c*******ts are not God-driven, they are atheistic too!
How do we get there? Ole Marx had the idea. You must totally destroy the current system of government and economy you are in to begin with, in order to build it back better! This might take a lot of time, and be quite painful to a lot of folks, but in the end, we reach those goals by power grabs and turning all of industry to serve the people. All the profits, minus what is needed to run the government and military, would go to you and me!
This atheist has no spiritual tie or allegiance to a Christian nation so what's a few years of turmoil if the outcome is so grand? It doesn't matter what you call it, be it socialism, secular humanism, c*******m, or even democracy!
There seems to be a very current and powerful movement to change America in just this way, and lots of fellow atheists are supporting the thrust! It is revolutionary! And so humane! I should join it. I must find out who is leading the effort and give them a hand.
Hold on a minute! This is c*******m, or its little brother socialism, we are talking about. There is a lot of history behind the c*******t movement, and it is not all sunshine and roses either. Every one of the nations that went this way, ended up with a dictatorship of some kind, and they had to create a secret police to keep the citizens in check, close their society to the outside world, and build a strong military machine to defend their nation against non-existent threats.
The populace ended up a lot poorer and ill-served by the captive industry that couldn't be managed by mere mortals, even with powerful modern computers and software. Churches were closed for a long time, too.
Well now! The US of A looks far better than that to me! That is, if we can keep it safe and sound against the L*****ts. That is going to be a really hard task for us, atheists and others alike, to fend off this revolutionary idea of the Left. I reject the Left ideas!
We must win!
Apr 29, 2022 16:27:21 #
Apr 30, 2022 13:15:25 #
manning5
Loc: Richmond, VA
How could I forget the most ruthless acts of all when c*******m takes over? In order to consolidate and maintain their leadership, orders go out to arrest, imprison or k**l all opposition to the new government and its leader. This has amounted to over 100,000,000 deaths from c*******t governments worldwide to protect their tenure. Yes, 100 million deaths! This must not be ignored when debating the merits of this ruthless form of government.
Apr 30, 2022 13:44:46 #
Apr 30, 2022 14:55:28 #
manning5 wrote:
What if I were an atheist? What would my Worldview... (show quote)
"I suppose I must accept the law else I will be jailed for breaking it. But accepting it is not believing in it, it is merely an accommodation to the reality I live in." Not necessarily do you have to accept it, I don't. Everything else agreed.
Apr 30, 2022 15:05:40 #
manning5 wrote:
What if I were an atheist? What would my Worldview be? I am going to try to discover it.
We must win!
We must win!
You are way over thinking it, mainly because you have no concept of not believing in god. You can't imagine not having something to believe in so you have to try to imagine what the replacement beliefs must be...there must be some sort of beliefs huh?
Those who don't believe in god don't have replacement beliefs, they typically don't form any beliefs, they analyze and come to conclusions based on facts and common sense. They have no need to believe something because someone else does.
Apr 30, 2022 15:08:54 #
okie don wrote:
Good way to start is set up a "Minister of T***h".
No opposition is allowed ...
No opposition is allowed ...
Heaven forbid we try to figure out what is misinformation and horse crap to help people out that can't figure it out...at least we won't be going after the bible, your rights to religious freedom to believe what you want is not in jeopardy, only crackpot political beliefs.
Apr 30, 2022 15:13:03 #
manning5 wrote:
How could I forget the most ruthless acts of all when c*******m takes over? In order to consolidate and maintain their leadership, orders go out to arrest, imprison or k**l all opposition to the new government and its leader. This has amounted to over 100,000,000 deaths from c*******t governments worldwide to protect their tenure. Yes, 100 million deaths! This must not be ignored when debating the merits of this ruthless form of government.
Pretty hard to forget how ruthless the church has been through the centuries, inquisitions, torture, burning books that contradicted the church, all in an effort to eliminate non believers. F*****m, religious rule, it's all the same, atheists are free from all of someone dictating to them except the laws of the land.
Apr 30, 2022 15:35:41 #
manning5 wrote:
How could I forget the most ruthless acts of all when c*******m takes over? In order to consolidate and maintain their leadership, orders go out to arrest, imprison or k**l all opposition to the new government and its leader. This has amounted to over 100,000,000 deaths from c*******t governments worldwide to protect their tenure. Yes, 100 million deaths! This must not be ignored when debating the merits of this ruthless form of government.
“ In order to consolidate and maintain their leadership, orders go out to arrest, imprison or k**l all opposition to the new government and its leader. ”
When the Republicans take over, the Freedom Caucus has vowed to do just. Jail (hang) anyone who does not support the MAGA grifters movement.
And Trump adherents will give thanks to America’s god for delivering them into an authoritarian theocracy.
Apr 30, 2022 15:39:58 #
RascalRiley wrote:
“ In order to consolidate and maintain their leadership, orders go out to arrest, imprison or k**l all opposition to the new government and its leader. ”
When the Republicans take over, the Freedom Caucus has vowed to do just. Jail (hang) anyone who does not support the MAGA grifters movement.
And Trump adherents will give thanks to America’s god for delivering them into an authoritarian theocracy.
When the Republicans take over, the Freedom Caucus has vowed to do just. Jail (hang) anyone who does not support the MAGA grifters movement.
And Trump adherents will give thanks to America’s god for delivering them into an authoritarian theocracy.
Its interesting that those who believe they are critical thinkers can make such ignorant statements.
Apr 30, 2022 15:40:24 #
RascalRiley wrote:
“ In order to consolidate and maintain their leadership, orders go out to arrest, imprison or k**l all opposition to the new government and its leader. ”
When the Republicans take over, the Freedom Caucus has vowed to do just. Jail (hang) anyone who does not support the MAGA grifters movement.
And Trump adherents will give thanks to America’s god for delivering them into an authoritarian theocracy.
When the Republicans take over, the Freedom Caucus has vowed to do just. Jail (hang) anyone who does not support the MAGA grifters movement.
And Trump adherents will give thanks to America’s god for delivering them into an authoritarian theocracy.
Look at DeSantis to see a mini dictator and how f*****m starts.
Apr 30, 2022 15:45:57 #
Rose42 wrote:
Its interesting that those who believe they are critical thinkers can make such ignorant statements.
Bannon is ruthless. He will lead the charge to imprison (hang) any that oppose his agenda. He created Trumps agenda.
https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-christopher-wray/
Apr 30, 2022 15:56:34 #
Several here on OPP should be glad we have a "Minister of T***h" here in America .
Adolph Hitler had a " Minister of T***h".
Joseph Goebbels had a Minister of t***h".
Now Joe Biden has a "Minister of T***h" .
Congratulations.
Your getting rid of our 1st Amendment relating to " Free Speech" and debate!
Adolph Hitler had a " Minister of T***h".
Joseph Goebbels had a Minister of t***h".
Now Joe Biden has a "Minister of T***h" .
Congratulations.
Your getting rid of our 1st Amendment relating to " Free Speech" and debate!
Apr 30, 2022 16:08:22 #
okie don wrote:
All part of the powers that be master plan. Several here on OPP should be glad we have a "Minister of T***h" here in America .
Adolph Hitler had a " Minister of T***h".
Joseph Goebbels had a Minister of t***h".
Now Joe Biden has a "Minister of T***h" .
Congratulations.
Your getting rid of our 1st Amendment relating to " Free Speech" and debate!
Adolph Hitler had a " Minister of T***h".
Joseph Goebbels had a Minister of t***h".
Now Joe Biden has a "Minister of T***h" .
Congratulations.
Your getting rid of our 1st Amendment relating to " Free Speech" and debate!
Can you imagine how useful this will be when republicans take over.
No more f**e news. Fox Entertainment, OAN, Newsmax, Epoch News and all the dingbats will be all that is allowed.
H**e the Dems until it is to late.
Apr 30, 2022 16:12:40 #
RascalRiley wrote:
All part of the powers that be master plan.
Can you imagine how useful this will be when republicans take over.
No more f**e news. Fox Entertainment, OAN, Newsmax, Epoch News and all the dingbats will be all that is allowed.
H**e the Dems until it is to late.
Can you imagine how useful this will be when republicans take over.
No more f**e news. Fox Entertainment, OAN, Newsmax, Epoch News and all the dingbats will be all that is allowed.
H**e the Dems until it is to late.
Oh, I forgot Rascal
Joseph Stalin, the c*******t, had a "Ministry of T***h" Too.
Don't want any open debate. Just believe what they want you to believe.
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