fullspinzoo

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

As hearsay, hardly !

woodguru

By who knows how many apostles, and gospels that include several that got destroyed because those in power didn't like what they say...

Oh yeah, sure, I believe the words of the multitude of "somewhat" biased reporters...and then the hearsay involved with the bible.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Years ago, a previous manuscript of Mark surfaced which said Jesus heard Lazarus cry out, before he called to him to rise up and come forth from the tomb. The early church had the manuscript hidden. A letter was later found by a bishop in a French church which was from the pope, telling the previous bishop there that it was better to lie and preserve the church than let the t***h destroy it.

The bishop who found the letter suddenly became very wealthy.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Hearsay, my ass.

In those days, women were not allowed to testify or bear witness,
yet, it was a woman to whom the resurrected Lord first presented Himself,
her name was Mary of Magdala and she was the first witness of Christ's resurrection
first to report the tomb was empty.
Under Jewish law, this was unheard of, women were punished for such admissions.

We have the Pharisee, Nicodemus, who not only met with Jesus and questioned Him, but after His crucifixion, Nicodemus brought 75 pounds of spices for use in preparing the body for burial and then assisted Joseph of Arimathea in wrapping the body and placing it in the tomb.

The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John document many eyewitnesses to Jesus' miracles, His teaching, His punishment, crucifixion, and resurrection. Many of these are named, they include Jews, Greeks and Romans.

Jesus and the Eyewitnesses
This fresh book argues that the four Gospels are closely based on eyewitness testimony of those who knew Jesus. Noted New Testament scholar Richard Bauckham challenges the prevailing assumption that the accounts of Jesus circulated as anonymous community traditions instead asserting that they were t***smitted in the name of the original eyewitness.

To drive home this controversial point, Bauckham draws on internal literary evidence, study of personal names in the first century, and recent developments in the understanding of oral traditions. Jesus and the Eyewitnesses also taps into the rich resources of modern study of memory and cognitive psychology, refuting the conclusions of the form critics and calling New Testament scholarship to make a clean break with this long-dominant tradition. Finally, Bauckham challenges readers to end the classic division between the historical Jesus and the Christ of faith proposing the Jesus of testimony that is actually presented by Gospels.

Sure to ignite heated debate on the precise character of the testimony about Jesus, Jesus and the Eyewitnesses will be valued by scholars, students and all who seek to understand the origins of the Gospels.

In addition, Hebrew, Greek and Roman historians and scribes not mentioned in the Bible wrote about a man called "Christus".

Tacitus was a senator and historian of the Roman Empire. Reporting on Emperor Nero's decision to blame the Christians for the fire that had destroyed Rome in A.D. 64, Tacitus wrote:
Nero fastened the guilt on a class h**ed for their a*********ns, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.

Pliny the Younger was the Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. Pliny wrote a letter to the emperor Trajan seeking advice about the appropriate way to conduct legal proceedings against those accused of being Christians. Pliny said that he needed to consult the emperor about this issue because a great multitude of every age, class, and sex stood accused of Christianity. In the letter, Pliny wrote:
They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food – but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.

In his work titled "Antiquities", Josephus, a first century Jewish historian and definitely not a Christian, wrote:
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he wrought surprising feats. He was the Christ. When Pilate condemned him to be crucified, those who had come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared, restored to life. And the tribe of Christians has not disappeared.

The Greek satirist Lucian of Samosata wrote of the early Christians as follows:
The Christians worship a man to this day – the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account. It was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.

In the Babylonian Talmud is written, On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald ... cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy."

And, beyond all this, Saul of Tarsus was a Pharisee and Roman citizen, he was a violent persecutor of followers of Jesus.
Yet, while on the road to Damascus with a letter from the high priest of the temple in Jerusalem giving him authority to arrest any who followed Christ, he encountered the risen Jesus who converted him, body, mind and soul.
Saul of Tarsus became Paul the Apostle who then wrote 13 of the NT Epistles - these were letters to Christians and churches throughout the region, including those in Rome.

fullspinzoo

Nice job!

Bassman65

Good post!

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

It’s well documented in : Zeitgeist: the Movie on YouTube
Along with a plethora of other religions all claiming the exact same thing.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

A fkng Youtube movie??????

Good Lord in Heaven,
there is nothing we can do with these ignorant people,
their fate is in your hands.
Amen!

fullspinzoo

Are they hopeless or what? Milo gets rhe prize!!

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

What are the odds the Christian Religion
Holds all the very same tenets as 12 other religions ?
Have the very same feast days as twelve other religions?
You should watch the movie for enlightenment and open mindedness.

fullspinzoo

This is the guy who still thinks the border is sealed tight. I hear the southern border referred to as open, porous at least 20 times a day, and this more on is trying to convince everyone that this fact is patently false. He has no cred. Tell him to "take a hike".

fullspinzoo

What are the odds that you are the dumbest person on OPP??????????????????????

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

It isn’t a “YouTube movie”
It happens to be available on YouTube.
To keep youz enlightened.

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

What are the odds you’ll never be able to explain the info in
Zeitgeist:The Movie ?