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Mar 19, 2022 14:11:12   #
robertv3
 
microphor wrote:
Where else have you lived?


Oklahoma.

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Mar 19, 2022 14:25:31   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
robertv3 wrote:
Oklahoma.


I've lived in Ohio,TN, Washington, California, very short period in both NC and KY. The worse by far has been CA.

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Mar 19, 2022 14:36:29   #
robertv3
 
robertv3 wrote:
Oklahoma.


My social life happened to be bad enough in Oklahoma that I was happy to leave. I've enjoyed the people a lot more in college (which happened to be in Kansas), and at the university (which also happened to be in Kansas), and in California (but California has a variety of societies in different parts of it).

However, there are some things I love about the area in Oklahoma where I grew up: 1. The dirt roads. 2. The smell of the earth. And, when I go back to visit, I also love: 3. The air. (Much of California air is more polluted than Oklahoma air. I think California would be a lot more like paradise if there were no internal combustion engines; but of course there are other things that also pollute.). 4. The clouds. 5. The smell of sunshine, the smell of vegetation in the sun, and the buzzing of the kinds of insects that keep to the plants and don't get on me.

There was a lot of wind. I could do with less wind.

Recently I heard that now there is something, very near that same part of Oklahoma, which adversely affected the lungs of many people living in that area. We think it might be some chemicals involved in farming.

One odd thing about Oklahoma is earthquakes. I lived there about 20 years and never experienced any earthquake there. (California is more known for having a lot of earthquakes.). But a few years ago, that same area in Oklahoma started having a great many earthquakes, enough that it was damaging a few minor things inside people's homes and they found it rather annoying. We think those earthquakes are from fracking.

Meanwhile, one thing I've encountered in California which I find mildly annoying is very mild weather. In the parts of California where I've lived, it sometimes gets very hot, but aside from that, the weather is so mild that it's quite boring. I'd rather have some thunderstorms and heavy rain sometimes; Oklahoma has those once in a while.

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Mar 19, 2022 14:47:47   #
robertv3
 
microphor wrote:
I've lived in Ohio,TN, Washington, California, very short period in both NC and KY. The worse by far has been CA.


You lived in Washington state? East or west?

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Mar 19, 2022 18:19:52   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
robertv3 wrote:
My social life happened to be bad enough in Oklahoma that I was happy to leave. I've enjoyed the people a lot more in college (which happened to be in Kansas), and at the university (which also happened to be in Kansas), and in California (but California has a variety of societies in different parts of it).

However, there are some things I love about the area in Oklahoma where I grew up: 1. The dirt roads. 2. The smell of the earth. And, when I go back to visit, I also love: 3. The air. (Much of California air is more polluted than Oklahoma air. I think California would be a lot more like paradise if there were no internal combustion engines; but of course there are other things that also pollute.). 4. The clouds. 5. The smell of sunshine, the smell of vegetation in the sun, and the buzzing of the kinds of insects that keep to the plants and don't get on me.

There was a lot of wind. I could do with less wind.

Recently I heard that now there is something, very near that same part of Oklahoma, which adversely affected the lungs of many people living in that area. We think it might be some chemicals involved in farming.

One odd thing about Oklahoma is earthquakes. I lived there about 20 years and never experienced any earthquake there. (California is more known for having a lot of earthquakes.). But a few years ago, that same area in Oklahoma started having a great many earthquakes, enough that it was damaging a few minor things inside people's homes and they found it rather annoying. We think those earthquakes are from fracking.

Meanwhile, one thing I've encountered in California which I find mildly annoying is very mild weather. In the parts of California where I've lived, it sometimes gets very hot, but aside from that, the weather is so mild that it's quite boring. I'd rather have some thunderstorms and heavy rain sometimes; Oklahoma has those once in a while.
My social life happened to be bad enough in Oklaho... (show quote)


I love a good storm, the air is sweet and fresh. First time I lived in CA in 1969, it was still a nice place to live. I have COPD and CA is not my friend, the most stringent regulations in the country and the worse air quality ( that I know of).

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Mar 19, 2022 18:21:57   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
robertv3 wrote:
You lived in Washington state? East or west?


Tacoma, Military in mid 70's. 74&75.

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Mar 19, 2022 20:55:05   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
microphor wrote:
I love a good storm, the air is sweet and fresh. First time I lived in CA in 1969, it was still a nice place to live. I have COPD and CA is not my friend, the most stringent regulations in the country and the worse air quality ( that I know of).


You should have seen L.A. in the 50s when people still had backyard incinerators. There were not allowed to burn trash after certain hours. The Freeways all had a dark area down the middle of the lanes. Most people thought this was from oil drips on the roadway but it actually was from the automobile exhaust. You could never see the mountains let alone the Hollywood sign. Maybe right after a good rain you and a windy day in the spring you could see Catalina Island. The smog was terrible. Smog alerts nearly every day. By the 80s that air was pretty clear. But compare that to the way some other cities are throughout the world. London had k**ler fog/smog in the 1800s from all the wood-burning and coal heating in homes. Today Beijing has a terrible smog problem. The Chinese banned all car travel and shut down a lot of industry for two weeks before they hosted the Olympic summer games, just to clear up the air. Today, Houston is one of the smoggiest cities in the US. Houston is far worse than LA which has relatively clean air. The worst time is in the summer when an inversion layer develops. When I left L.A. in the 90s they had about 80 days a year of very unhealthy air. Of course, the further inland you lived away from the coast the worse it got. But there are many U.S. cities with much worse polluted air than L.A.

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Mar 19, 2022 22:05:31   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
dtucker300 wrote:
You should have seen L.A. in the 50s when people still had backyard incinerators. There were not allowed to burn trash after certain hours. The Freeways all had a dark area down the middle of the lanes. Most people thought this was from oil drips on the roadway but it actually was from the automobile exhaust. You could never see the mountains let alone the Hollywood sign. Maybe right after a good rain you and a windy day in the spring you could see Catalina Island. The smog was terrible. Smog alerts nearly every day. By the 80s that air was pretty clear. But compare that to the way some other cities are throughout the world. London had k**ler fog/smog in the 1800s from all the wood-burning and coal heating in homes. Today Beijing has a terrible smog problem. The Chinese banned all car travel and shut down a lot of industry for two weeks before they hosted the Olympic summer games, just to clear up the air. Today, Houston is one of the smoggiest cities in the US. Houston is far worse than LA which has relatively clean air. The worst time is in the summer when an inversion layer develops. When I left L.A. in the 90s they had about 80 days a year of very unhealthy air. Of course, the further inland you lived away from the coast the worse it got. But there are many U.S. cities with much worse polluted air than L.A.
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I'm now in Orange County another 14/15 months for work. When I lived here in in 1969 to 1973, it was in little towns like Gilroy, Watsonville and Santa Cruz. No big smog problems in those areas at that time. Nothing sweeter then my TN home. 18 miles west of Knoxville, on a bluff above the Clinch River.

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Mar 19, 2022 22:12:35   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
microphor wrote:
I'm now in Orange County another 14/15 months for work. When I lived here in in 1969 to 1973, it was in little towns like Gilroy, Watsonville and Santa Cruz. No big smog problems in those areas at that time. Nothing sweeter then my TN home. 18 miles west of Knoxville, on a bluff above the Clinch River.


Watch out for an influx of people moving there from blue states such as New York or California. Everything the left touches turns to Crap.

Tennesee is beautiful country. I was always impressed with the Hwy rest stops; probably the prettiest in the whole country. Some day i am going to visit Dollywood.

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Mar 19, 2022 22:17:57   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Watch out for an influx of people moving there from blue states such as New York or California. Everything the left touches turns to Crap.


Already happening, driving real estate up to point people who are born there won't be able to afford to live there. Wat h same thing happen in Pasa Robles ca. People from the north came and bought up property around the lake, driving up cost of real estate there. Had an electrician tell he was born there but couldn't afford to live there.

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Mar 19, 2022 22:30:22   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
microphor wrote:
Already happening, driving real estate up to point people who are born there won't be able to afford to live there. Wat h same thing happen in Pasa Robles ca. People from the north came and bought up property around the lake, driving up cost of real estate there. Had an electrician tell he was born there but couldn't afford to live there.


Unfortunately, Real estate seem to be climbing toward a bubble throughout the country.

Well, on behalf of all conservative Californians, accept my apology for letting CA get so far left that more people are leaving than arriving in the state, and they are moving to RED states. But they seem to forget what they escaped from AND THEY IMMEDIATELY START TRYING TO REMAKE THEIR NEW ADOPTED HOME LIKE CALIFORNIA.

God help all of us. I wouldn't even wish this on my enemies.

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Mar 19, 2022 22:39:19   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Unfortunately, Real estate seem to be climbing toward a bubble throughout the country.

Well, on behalf of all conservative Californians, accept my apology for letting CA get so far left that more people are leaving than arriving in the state, and they are moving to RED states. But they seem to forget what they escaped from AND THEY IMMEDIATELY START TRYING TO REMAKE THEIR NEW ADOPTED HOME LIKE CALIFORNIA.

God help all of us. I wouldn't even wish this on my enemies.


I like to rent a cabin in the foothills of the Smokeys. Puts you near Dollywood but also Ober Gatlinbug " the gateway to the smokies". I rent a cabin in a Town called Townsend, it's about 20/25 minutes from Dollywood but it's also easy access to the smokies and less touristy. I do the cabin because I can get something big enough to accommodate a couple of my siblings, my kids and grandkids. Very reasonable especially off season. Don't feed the bears

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Mar 19, 2022 22:44:58   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
microphor wrote:
I like to rent a cabin in the foothills of the Smokeys. Puts you near Dollywood but also Ober Gatlinbug " the gateway to the smokies". I rent a cabin in a Town called Townsend, it's about 20/25 minutes from Dollywood but it's also easy access to the smokies and less touristy. I do the cabin because I can get something big enough to accommodate a couple of my siblings, my kids and grandkids. Very reasonable especially off season. Don't feed the bears
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Good to know. What is considered the off-season there?

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Mar 19, 2022 22:53:11   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Good to know. What is considered the off-season there?


Usually right after Christmas to about Easter. Christmas there is an event. My sister goes toward end of October

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Mar 19, 2022 23:02:57   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
microphor wrote:
Usually right after Christmas to about Easter. Christmas there is an event. My sister goes toward end of October



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