PeterS

And a dollar against your Nickle conservatives won't be able to comprehend the difference...

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Your going to get h**eful replies now. They will range from it was just a peaceful protest to the capital belongs to the people. Nice comment.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

American patriots and Ukrainian patriots are committed to defending their countries against c*******t take over.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Actually, on J****** 6th, the US Capitol had posted public hours. The visitor galleries were not open. In fact, with the exception of about 100 i***ts, it was peaceful. Many people simply wandered around.

Oh, yes, in fact, ”the capital {sic} belongs to the people”.

PS: Have you yet noticed my attempt to show you your spelling error?

Ri-chard Loc: 23322

This is a tough read for Socialist Liberals.
Ukrainians want socialist Democracy where the majority rules over the minority, and as citizens are only given the rights government gives you as their subjects, and American Patriots want a Republic with a Republican form of government installed in each and every State per Article IV Section $ of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence Where all are created equal with their God given rights.

The future of our Posterity depends on a proper understanding of the Source of our Rights. I will explain four views; show you which one is true, and why the other three are false and lead inexorably to the destruction of any country which embraces them.
1. Let us begin with what is true: Our Declaration of Independence says our Rights come from God. Our rights thus pre-date & pre-exist the U.S. Constitution. The Declaration of Independence says:
We Hold These T***hs To Be Self-Evident, That All Men Are Created Equal, That They Are Endowed By Their Creator With Certain Unalienable Rights, That Among These Are Life, Liberty And The Pursuit Of Happiness.–That To Secure These Rights, Governments Are Instituted Among Men, Deriving Their Just Powers From The Consent Of The Governed…
So these, then, are the foundational principles of our Constitutional Republic:
• Our Rights are unalienable and come from God;
• The purpose of civil government is to protect our God-given Rights;
• Civil government is legitimate only when it operates with our consent; &
• Since the US Constitution is the formal expression of the Will of the People, the federal government operates
with our consent only when it obeys the Constitution.

Because the Declaration of Independence identifies The Creator as Grantor of Rights, we look to The Bible – or the Natural Law – to see what those rights are. The Bible – or the Natural Law – reveals many rights, such as the rights to Life, Liberty, the Pursuit of Happiness; to inherit, earn, and keep property; the right of self-defense; the right and duty to demand that the civil authorities obey the Law; the right to speak; the right to live our lives free from interference from civil government; the rights of parents to raise their children free from interference from civil government; the right to worship God; etc.

The distinguishing characteristics of all God-given or Natural Rights 1 are:
• Each one may be held and enjoyed at NO expense or loss to any other person; and
• We can look them up for ourselves! They are not subject to someone else’s interpretations.
2. But many conservatives mistakenly believe that our rights come from the first Ten Amendments to the Constitution. So they speak of “our constitutional rights,” “the bill of rights,” our “First Amendment right to free speech”; “our Second Amendment right to bear arms,” and so forth. But it is a dreadful mistake to think that our rights come from the Constitution. I’ll show you two reasons why this is such a pernicious error:
a) It is logically incoherent to say that our Rights come from the Constitution: Let us read the Preamble to the US Constitution:
WE THE PEOPLE Of The United States, In Order To Form A More Perfect Union, Establish Justice, Insure Domestic Tranquility, Provide For The Common Defense, Promote The General Welfare, And Secure The Blessings Of Liberty To Ourselves And Our Posterity, Do Ordain And Establish This Constitution For The United States Of America.
WE THE PEOPLE established and ordained the Constitution. WE are the ones who created the federal government with its three branches: legislative, executive, and judicial. WE are the ones who gave the federal government permission to exist and told it exactly what it had permission to do, when WE assigned enumerated powers to each branch.
WE are the “creator” – the federal government is merely our “creature”. (Federalist No. 33 (6th para), A. Hamilton.)
So! The Constitution is about the Powers which WE THE PEOPLE delegated to the federal government. The Constitution is NOT about Our Rights, which come from God and thus pre-date & pre-exist the Constitution!
b) Now look at Article III, Sec. 2, clause 1, U.S. Constitution“The Judicial Power Shall Extend To All Cases…Arising Under This Constitution…”
Think carefully, for this is the hook: If our rights come from the first Ten Amendments or elsewhere in the Constitution, then they “arise under the Constitution”; and that clause is what gives federal judges power over our rights!
When judges have power to determine our Rights, our Rights are no longer unalienable – we hold them at the pleasure of five judges on the Supreme Court. But because so many of us, for so long, have believed and said that our rights come from the “bill of rights,” those judges have seized on Art. III, Sec. 2, clause 1, to claim the power to determine the scope & extent of our rights!
So! Federal judges claim the power to regulate our political speech and religious speech. They claim the power to determine & regulate our property rights in the fruits of our own labors. They claim the power to control our retirements by forcing us to participate in social security! They even claim the power to take Life away from unborn babies.
Thus, when we say our Rights come from the Constitution, we are, in effect, agreeing to the submission of our Rights to the tender mercies of federal judges, because Art. III, Sec. 2, clause 1, gives them power over all cases “arising under the Constitution.”
This is why we must always insist that our Rights have a source – Almighty God, the Natural Law – which transcends the Constitution! 2
And furthermore, why would the Creator of The Constitution (that’s us) grant to our “creature” (the judicial branch of the federal government), the power to determine the scope & extent of OUR Rights? It makes no sense at all!
c) You might well ask, “Why did our Founders add the first Ten Amendments if they were such a bad idea?”
There was controversy over this! Alexander Hamilton warned in Federalist No. 84 (9th para) that a bill of rights would give a pretext for regulating to those inclined to usurp powers. And he was right! The Supreme Court has used the first amendment to regulate political speech and to ban Christian speech in the public square: no prayers at football games, no nativity scenes on county courthouse lawns, and Judge Roy Moore is ordered to take down the Ten Commandments.
But some States refused to ratify the Constitution without them.
So, the proper way to look at the first Ten Amendments is this: They are not the source of our Rights since our Rights come from God, and thus TRANSCEND the Constitution. The first Ten Amendments is merely a partial list of things the federal government may not do (they can’t take away our guns), and some things they must do (give accused persons a fair trial).
3. Judges on the supreme Court have claimed, in recent decades, that the source of our “rights” is the Constitution, as such “rights” are defined and discovered, from time to time . . . BY THEM!
I’ll show you how they did it: The original intent of the 14th Amendment (one of the “civil war” amendments) was to protect freed s***es from southern Black Codes which denied them basic rights of citizenship.
But judges on the supreme Court have perverted the 14th Amendment to fabricate so-called “rights” which negate Rights God gave us and undermine the Moral Order!
Section 1 of the 14th Amendment reads in part:“…Nor Shall Any State Deprive Any Person Of Life, Liberty, Or Property, Without Due Process Of Law…”
The original intent of that clause was that States couldn’t go around lynching freed s***es and taking away their freedom and property.
But not so long ago, a handful of supreme court judges looked at the word, “liberty” in that clause, and claimed to have “discovered” underneath that word, a “constitutional right” to k**l unborn babies ; and another “constitutional right” to engage in homosexual contact.
We will soon see whether the Supreme Court also “discovers” underneath that word, a “constitutional right” to same-sex marriage.
When we substitute federal judges for God as the source of our rights, the entire concept of “rights” becomes perverted. Literally.
4. The “liberal/progressives” say our Rights come from “government.” They say a “right” is an entitlement to goods or services produced, or paid for, by somebody else: So, they speak of the “right” to medical care; the “right” to a free public school education; the “right” to housing; the “right” to food stamps; etc.
But it is a contradiction in terms to speak of “rights” to stuff that is produced or paid for, by other people! This is because it undermines our God-given or Natural Rights to private property, to the fruits of our own labors, and to liberty. To hold that people who produce exist to be plundered by civil government for the ostensible benefit of others, is s***ery. Just as no one has the right to own another human being; so no one has the “right” to own the fruits of another man’s labors.
To sum this up:
REMEMBER that clause in Our Declaration of Independence which states that our rights come from God, are unalienable, and that the purpose of civil government – the federal government – is to secure the Rights GOD gave us.
Our right do not come from the first Ten Amendments; they do not come from the Constitution as interpreted by federal judges; and they do not come from Congress which purports to give to their parasitic constituency the “right” to live at other peoples’ expense.
Our Rights were bestowed by God, and as such, they transcend, pre-date & pre-exist the Constitution.

End notes:
1 “Natural Law” refers to that body of Law which is woven into the Fabric of Reality: The laws of physics, economics, logic, morality, etc. Non-theists, such as the brilliant philosopher, Ayn Rand, saw Rights as inherent to the nature of man. Either way, one comes up with essentially the same set of Rights. And if you listen carefully to “liberals/progressives” as they speak on any topic, you will see that their war is against Reality itself – they reject altogether the concept of transcendent Law. This is because they know no “law” but their own Wills.
2 Re the “tender mercies” of federal judges: During Senator Tom Coburn’s questioning of Elena Kagan during her confirmation hearings, she refused to acknowledge the fundamental Principle stated in Our Declaration of Independence that our Rights pre-date & pre-exist the Constitution. Kagan in effect claims to sit on God’s Throne and to decide what “rights” you have and what “rights” you don’t have.
The only Document the Hard Left h**es as much as the Bible is Our Declaration of Independence.

BIRDMAN

Ukrainian N**is you mean

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Is that all that can fuss about is my spelling? Just so you know (because I've come to realize you're a fuss budget and whine about spelling when lies fly by) the US Capitol is the building where Congress meets and is located in the US Capital, Washington DC. Those that match, with trumps encouragement were just out for a country stroll.

woodguru

The only threat is with a different word and reality, the GOP right wing authoritarian control it is fighting so hard to achieve.

So then the patriots in this country would be those fighting against those who are intent on destroying democracy.

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Ri-chard, sometimes you post very nicely written comments. This seems a lot of typing for this opinion board, that's if you typed it rather than cut & paste from somewhere (or someone) else as most others. Your thoughts are well organized and appear really well researched. Your comments are reminiscent of BR (he says he's on the dark side of the moon, far as I know only the Chinese are there so I'm a little circumspect of his loyalties). I will just say that things change. What the founders felt was necessary 200+ yrs ago may not be essential today. What comes to mind are guns. I don't feel they should be outlawed, but the argument that citizens need high powered automatic weapons for self defense is a stretch. Why not argue we need .50 value machine guns, or tanks, bazooka, rockets, etc. Things like s***ery & women v****g are items that seemed overlooked by Jefferson et al. I will just say thanks for the thoughtful comment.

woodguru

Jesus Christ on a stick...what was that?

You can't base a whole screed on a faulty foundation

Ukrainians want a democracy which is a government by the majority...PERIOD end. Republicans want a "republic" where a minority that has control maintains it however they need to do that so a minority can dictate how things are run to a majority that has no control.

Being equal as people has nothing to do with an e******y as per wh**ever god says...who's god since everyone has a right to believe in wh**ever god they choose to? Nobody can decide their god means anything to someone who does not choose to believe in that god.

How can anyone ever with a straight face make a case for a minority dictating to the majority how they live their lives?

Ri-chard Loc: 23322

What comes to you mind is guns LOL.
Sorry, you can't read - this was not an opinion, just facts that were not intended for you to read. Again, you are not to know these t***hs that are undeniable by you or anyone else. Again, you can't stay on point, there was not mention of high-powered weapons, s***ery etc. Nice diversion from the facts written.

American Vet

First: What do you think is "high powered"?

Second: Automatic weapons are already pretty tightly regulated. You might consider 'brushing up' on your knowledge about weapons.

Third: Look at what is happening in Ukraine:
"We will give weapons to anyone who wants to defend the country. Be ready to support Ukraine in the squares of our cities,” Zelenskyy tweeted, indicating that he is preparing for an all-out on-the-ground war."

This is exactly why the Second Amendment was written: So the general populace can defend themselves - all of a sudden it isn't a "stretch" is it?

Rose42

He deserves any derision he gets for his troll post and thinking all conservatives are the same.

It was a stupid comment on his part and I’m surprised you agree with that stupidity.

rjoeholl

And 4th, where does it say I can only have things that I NEED? I have many toys that I don't NEED but I WANT them. They make me happy and the Bill of Rights says I can pursue happiness. So, cram your NEED.
I will admit, though, that sometimes the things I WANT become things I NEED. Or should I throw rocks when I go deer hunting? (For venison that I don't NEED but like).

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Actually, I can read. The point in mentioning guns is that things have changed since 1776. As far as reading, try re-reading my first sentence, I said you posted a nicely written comment. Just so you know, it was over a couple of paragraphs so I doubt seriously many will "read" your comment.