Cuda2020

I guess you don't know much about history and the industrial age when employers completely exploited their workers, including children and as China does as we speak. Do yourself a favor and lok into how it all came about, along with safety standards. No fyi, left to their own devices, many employers don't do theright thing, they do the cheapest thing and the most amount of profit for themselves thing.

We still have a long way to go, lets go to many states not having standard break times, When my son worked for IHOP he'd work 13 hours without a meal break, that's when I first looked into this, and was floored that there are only standards in a several states, the rest only have things set in place for people under the age of 16.

American Vet

They (the employers) are doing nothing wrong.

The employer pays wh**ever they wish. As you yourself noted: If the individual does not like what they are getting paid - get a better job.

Cuda2020

I guess your one of those that speaks only in terms of legalities and not what is ethically and morally right, I figured that. This is exactly why we make the LAWS.

Let me explain something to you, when people are desperate for a job, they will allow people to exploit them, that's what desperation does. The laws are our *protections. Try being grateful for that. When we go through times where there are more people then there are jobs, that's what happens, in times of prosperity, like now, there are more jobs then people, that's when people can make those choices and people can then more readily quit a bad employer.

This great country has been built on exploitation, make no mistake about that.

American Vet

You are assuming (as most ELWNJs do) that what YOU believe is "ethically and morally" right should be the law.

Let me explain something to you - this country is based on freedom. Government is there to PROTECT freedom. Forcing an individual to pay another a certain wage is not "protection" - it is a violation of freedom. And, as I stated earlier, in the long run hurts the economy.

Make no mistake about this: EVERY country has been built on "exploitation" of some sort. What is sad is the leftoids who try to belittle America as if it were the only nation that has done so - just more of their selective hypocrisy.

Cuda2020

No, what hurts our economy, which the greedy right never seems to grasp, is people living in poverty. When people live in poverty, they get assistance through our taxes, do you understand that, from healthcare, housing, food stamps, and so on. So your not saving any money, the only ones saving their money are the companies rolling in profit, packing it away over seas and not paying livable wages, nor their share of taxes.

I get your right leaning Ayn Rand thinking, the ol survival of the fittest, only the strong survive, let them starve in the streets, it's their own damn fault. Luckily, we have more compassionate people in politics who care about being humane, and not throwing people under the bus or off a cliff, as the right has done, cancelling meals on wheels, to the elderly and vets, while they saw record profits.

Please don't push your beliefs on to me, how other countries do it too, ergo, it's ok to do.BS
I am not one to believe this country is perfect just the way it is, it is always a work in progress to be better for its people.

Morals my friend are pretty well cut and dry, but the right has lost its moral compass and can no longer tell the difference any more and why they followed Trump.

American Vet

>>>>>>No, what hurts our economy, which the greedy right never seems to grasp, is people living in poverty. When people live in poverty, they get assistance through our taxes, do you understand that, from healthcare, housing, food stamps, and so on. So your not saving any money, the only ones saving their money are the companies rolling in profit, packing it away over seas and not paying livable wages, nor their share of taxes.

First: Poverty is a pretty relative term. Those in "poverty" in America live a whole lot better than people in other countries who are in poverty.

Second: Yes, people here get food stamps, etc... Ever seen those signs in the National Parks? "Don't feed the animals or they will become dependent on whoever feeds them." Think there is any logic to that?

Third: "Companies profit": So companies make a profit. And pretty much always invest it back into the economy in some fashion. And you "not paying their fair share" in taxes is a flat out lie.

Some people live in poverty because they choose to do so. And many live in poverty because it is easier than bettering themselves.


>>>>>Please don't push your beliefs on to me

Sorry you are offended by my belief in freedom. Many ELWNJs are offended by that.


And you comment about morals is simple your little inane rant.

And it is interesting to note that nowhere in this thread has President Trump been mentioned, but being a good little leftoid, you had to play your "Trump" card. But you forgot your other talking points - r****m, sexism, homphobia, t*********rphobia, and all the other "isms" you use when you have nothing left but hyperbole. Surely you could have worked them in somewhere.

And I am not your friend. I am very discerning in whom I call friend.