Will Russia recognize, and defend, the Independence of the Donetsk and Luhansk Republics? Both declared themselves to be Independent Peoples Republics, in 2014. Both are listed as...

Gatsby

Both declared themselves to be Independent Peoples Republics, in 2014.

Both are listed as terrorist organizations, by the Ukrainian government, and the UN has snubbed their noses at them.

So much for Self Determinization in the 21st century.

https://tass.com/world/731318

https://www.rbth.com/news/2014/05/12/donetsk_peoples_republic_declares_independence_and_requests_accession_to_36590.html

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Gatsby wrote:

Both declared themselves to be Independent Peoples Republics, in 2014.

Both are listed as terrorist organizations, by the Ukrainian government, and the UN has snubbed their noses at them.

So much for Self Determinization in the 21st century.

https://tass.com/world/731318

https://www.rbth.com/news/2014/05/12/donetsk_peoples_republic_declares_independence_and_requests_accession_to_36590.html

And the Kurds still don't have their nation

Gatsby

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

And the Kurds still don't have their nation

An interesting comparison.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Gatsby wrote:

An interesting comparison.

I could have brought up the Sioux as well

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

Gatsby wrote:

Both declared themselves to be Independent Peoples Republics, in 2014.

Both are listed as terrorist organizations, by the Ukrainian government, and the UN has snubbed their noses at them.

So much for Self Determinization in the 21st century.

https://tass.com/world/731318

https://www.rbth.com/news/2014/05/12/donetsk_peoples_republic_declares_independence_and_requests_accession_to_36590.html

Well said and good points.

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

I could have brought up the Sioux as well

Weren't they promised the Black Hills?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

LogicallyRight wrote:

Weren't they promised the Black Hills?

They were promised their own nation

Gatsby

LogicallyRight wrote:

Weren't they promised the Black Hills?

The Sioux have no legitimate claim on the Black Hills, which they themselves "stole" from the Cheyenne tribe in 1776.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Gatsby wrote:

The Sioux have no legitimate claim on the Black Hills, which they themselves "stole" from the Cheyenne tribe in 1776.

Unlike all the legitimate claims that the Europeans had to Sioux land

Bassman65

Gatsby wrote:

Both declared themselves to be Independent Peoples Republics, in 2014.

Both are listed as terrorist organizations, by the Ukrainian government, and the UN has snubbed their noses at them.

So much for Self Determinization in the 21st century.
Russia has recognized both of them!
https://tass.com/world/731318

https://www.rbth.com/news/2014/05/12/donetsk_peoples_republic_declares_independence_and_requests_accession_to_36590.html

Gatsby

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Unlike all the legitimate claims that the Europeans had to Sioux land

Might made right, until Europeans arrived.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Gatsby wrote:

Might made right, until Europeans arrived.

And for several hundred years afterwards

Gatsby

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

And for several hundred years afterwards

Perhaps the entire world should recognize, and restore, all borders as they were in 1492?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Gatsby wrote:

Perhaps the entire world should recognize, and restore, all borders as they were in 1492?

Why not 1 AD

Gatsby

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Why not 1 AD

When one puts it in perspective,