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Feb 11, 2022 14:49:19   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Is that how many people v**ed for Biden? I think you just provided more evidence for the Democrat Great American V***r F***d of 2020. Did the Democrats forge a Biden v**e 9 times for each of the 7,800,000,000 on the Earth? Or was it something even more nefarious?


Oh! Nevermind! I see my mistake. i forgot all the dead people who v**ed for Biden. But now I wonder if we can get to 81 billion biden v**ers even counting the dead. Give me a moment, I'll see if I can find it.......
Hmmmm. Let's see. Google or Bing? Or should I go exotic? Oh, HERE it is! No, your good to go. The estimate is that a total of approximately 113 billion people have lived and died on the Earth. I guess the other 32 billion must have been Trump v**ers.

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Feb 11, 2022 14:52:51   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Thanks, Randy, for citing my error.

Nothing nefarious here.


No problem at all. Hope you have a good laugh at my second post, as well! When we can't laugh, that's when we are really in trouble.

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Feb 11, 2022 15:16:21   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
RandyBrian wrote:
No problem at all. Hope you have a good laugh at my second post, as well! When we can't laugh, that's when we are really in trouble.

I wholeheartedly agree

"Laughter is the closest distance between two people." - Victor Borge

"The wonderful thing about laughter is that it just destroys any kind of system of dividing people." - John Cleese

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Feb 11, 2022 15:35:01   #
EmilyD
 
Grandpa Rick wrote:
Recent revelations about Trump's handling of p**********l documents is likely to start a new round of attacks and defenses, usually ad hominem but almost certainly to rehash his perceived (according to your political view) successes and failures. Defenders will accuse attackers of Trump Derangement Syndrome, and call them "Trump h**ers".

I don't h**e Trump; I despise (feel contempt or deep repugnance for) him. I'll tell you why, and offer the materials I rely on for this opinion so you can judge for yourself. But I want to make it clear from the outset that I am dealing with the person, not the politician, so please don't try to refute me by reciting all the "good" things he did.

One other preliminary point: Trump is well known for rushing to the courts for relief. The fact that apparently he did not do so for the first two occurrences I'm about to discuss gives rise to a pretty strong inference of veracity.

When Trump first became a serious p**********l candidate I wanted to learn more about him, so I went to the internet. Two articles came up that I found significant. You can read them, and related articles, for yourself. Just google "trump bulgari jewelry" and "trump deposition perjury article". Here are brief summaries:

Bulgari: Forbes magazine reports on a history of conspiracy to evade New York tax laws in which Trump was an active participant. He escaped conviction by turning on the Bulgari jewelry company. Go to the web for details of the duration and extent of Trump's involvement, and consider this: why would a rich man like Trump engage in a criminal operation for a relatively small return? Conclusion: Trump is not only a crook, but a cheap one to boot. Inference: if he is willing to engage in one criminal enterprise for a relatively small return, he willing to engage in others. Areas of suspicion: the Trump Foundation; the lawsuit brought by his niece; the current investigations by New York and Georgia.

Deposition: This article appeared in Newsweek. Google will also show several related articles. Cynics often tell us that "all politicians lie", and sadly, they are pretty much right. But how would you like to be in court with your life or liberty on the line and hear a police officer lie? Or be a victim in a civil or criminal case listening to a defendant and his friends lie? I'm a retired trial lawyer, and I have to acknowledge that I've lost cases where I am convinced the other side fabricated testimony. If you have a lawyer, ask him or her about lying witnesses.

If your oath means nothing when a personal interest is at stake, can I rely on you to act in the public interest rather than your own?

As time passed, other incidents came to light. Google "trump central park 5 article", and put it together with Trump (and his father) being sued by the Justice Department in 1973 for discriminating against black rental applicants, his repeal during his presidency of a rule intended to combat historical racial discrimination in housing, and his (in)famous comment on Charleston, about good people on both sides. Even if you're not prepared to infer r****m you must admit a insensitivity to a substantial percentage of our population that is inappropriate to one who is supposed to lead us all.

And the word "inappropriate" brings to mind his attitude towards and conduct with women.

As to his propensity for fraud, we learned that he avoided the prospect of military service because of shin splints, diagnosed by a doctor who was a tenant of his father. Fortunately, they weren't so severe as to keep him from playing golf. Much more serious, however, was the Trump University scandal. For many years I taught law as an adjunct professor (t***slation: minimum paid lecturer) at a law school that focused on law as either a second career or to further a current career. Students paid a lot of money to try to enhance their earning ability, often sacrificing time with their family and common pleasures (movies, dining out) for financial reasons. I developed a lot of respect for my students, which is why I have great sympathy for the Trump University students who were defrauded of both time and money. Trumped coughed up $25 million to settle the lawsuit.

Current fraud problems involve real estate valuations in the context of both loan applications and property tax evaluations. It's fair to assume some court action is on the horizon.

Conclusion: I've given you several examples showing Trump's immorality. I could go on but I've probably exhausted your patience. Suffice it to say that I have a deep repugnance for Trump's conduct as described, and for that reason have nothing but contempt for the man. "Hatred", which is defined as "intense ill will", is insufficient to describe my feelings about him.
Recent revelations about Trump's handling of p****... (show quote)


Yes...that is what your party (and obviously you) are about: Hatred. And saying you don't "h**e" Trump, but you "despise" him is redundant. Despising someone IS hating them...there is no dispute about that by any definition out there (look up "despise" in the dictionary)! You are entitled to your opinion, and you are free to express it here and wherever else you want to.

And one thing I can guarantee you, and I would be willing to bet serious money on, is that Trump would fight to the death for your right to say what you just posted here.

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Feb 11, 2022 16:00:31   #
Grandpa Rick
 
Emily: my dictionary distinguishes between "h**e" and "despise", and I tried to make my feelings clear.

As for defending my right to speak please consider how Trump typically responds to anything approching criticism. For example, his response to Pence saying Trump was wrong about Pence having authority to overturn the e******n. Hardly a defense of free speech rights.

For those of you who applaud what Trump accomplished, please consider that other republicans, who didn't have the moral baggage, could have done the same while being a good role model to your children.

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Feb 11, 2022 16:12:13   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
Grandpa Rick wrote:
Recent revelations about Trump's handling of p**********l documents is likely to start a new round of attacks and defenses, usually ad hominem but almost certainly to rehash his perceived (according to your political view) successes and failures. Defenders will accuse attackers of Trump Derangement Syndrome, and call them "Trump h**ers".

I don't h**e Trump; I despise (feel contempt or deep repugnance for) him. I'll tell you why, and offer the materials I rely on for this opinion so you can judge for yourself. But I want to make it clear from the outset that I am dealing with the person, not the politician, so please don't try to refute me by reciting all the "good" things he did.

One other preliminary point: Trump is well known for rushing to the courts for relief. The fact that apparently he did not do so for the first two occurrences I'm about to discuss gives rise to a pretty strong inference of veracity.

When Trump first became a serious p**********l candidate I wanted to learn more about him, so I went to the internet. Two articles came up that I found significant. You can read them, and related articles, for yourself. Just google "trump bulgari jewelry" and "trump deposition perjury article". Here are brief summaries:

Bulgari: Forbes magazine reports on a history of conspiracy to evade New York tax laws in which Trump was an active participant. He escaped conviction by turning on the Bulgari jewelry company. Go to the web for details of the duration and extent of Trump's involvement, and consider this: why would a rich man like Trump engage in a criminal operation for a relatively small return? Conclusion: Trump is not only a crook, but a cheap one to boot. Inference: if he is willing to engage in one criminal enterprise for a relatively small return, he willing to engage in others. Areas of suspicion: the Trump Foundation; the lawsuit brought by his niece; the current investigations by New York and Georgia.

Deposition: This article appeared in Newsweek. Google will also show several related articles. Cynics often tell us that "all politicians lie", and sadly, they are pretty much right. But how would you like to be in court with your life or liberty on the line and hear a police officer lie? Or be a victim in a civil or criminal case listening to a defendant and his friends lie? I'm a retired trial lawyer, and I have to acknowledge that I've lost cases where I am convinced the other side fabricated testimony. If you have a lawyer, ask him or her about lying witnesses.

If your oath means nothing when a personal interest is at stake, can I rely on you to act in the public interest rather than your own?

As time passed, other incidents came to light. Google "trump central park 5 article", and put it together with Trump (and his father) being sued by the Justice Department in 1973 for discriminating against black rental applicants, his repeal during his presidency of a rule intended to combat historical racial discrimination in housing, and his (in)famous comment on Charleston, about good people on both sides. Even if you're not prepared to infer r****m you must admit a insensitivity to a substantial percentage of our population that is inappropriate to one who is supposed to lead us all.

And the word "inappropriate" brings to mind his attitude towards and conduct with women.

As to his propensity for fraud, we learned that he avoided the prospect of military service because of shin splints, diagnosed by a doctor who was a tenant of his father. Fortunately, they weren't so severe as to keep him from playing golf. Much more serious, however, was the Trump University scandal. For many years I taught law as an adjunct professor (t***slation: minimum paid lecturer) at a law school that focused on law as either a second career or to further a current career. Students paid a lot of money to try to enhance their earning ability, often sacrificing time with their family and common pleasures (movies, dining out) for financial reasons. I developed a lot of respect for my students, which is why I have great sympathy for the Trump University students who were defrauded of both time and money. Trumped coughed up $25 million to settle the lawsuit.

Current fraud problems involve real estate valuations in the context of both loan applications and property tax evaluations. It's fair to assume some court action is on the horizon.

Conclusion: I've given you several examples showing Trump's immorality. I could go on but I've probably exhausted your patience. Suffice it to say that I have a deep repugnance for Trump's conduct as described, and for that reason have nothing but contempt for the man. "Hatred", which is defined as "intense ill will", is insufficient to describe my feelings about him.
Recent revelations about Trump's handling of p****... (show quote)


I understand why you dislike or h**e Trump, the man. I also did not like the man from way before you formed your opinions. He rubbed me wrong. I put him at the bottom of candidates that ran that year. He rose to the top, and you can argue all you want on how and why. Then he won against a deplorable democrat person (Also my strong opinion).

But I grew to like Trump, the President. Not for his actions and his God Damn tweeting, but what he did for America. And America was a lot better off for him being our President, and could have been a lot better off then even that, without absolute democrat opposition, and h**e filled opposition, that crippled so many of his efforts.

You finish with
***Suffice it to say that I have a deep repugnance for Trump's conduct as described, and for that reason have nothing but contempt for the man. "Hatred", which is defined as "intense ill will", is insufficient to describe my feelings about him
>>>That is how I and so many feel about what biden and his handlers are doing to us and America, as he takes America backwards instead of forwards, and now maybe into war. .

You wanted to show your hatred for Trump, and why and seemed to want some respect for your opinions. As opposed to some of our more persistent writers. As such I tried to reply in a fair manner and look forward to more debate in the future. Hopefully on topics not ruled by pure hatred. Vax mandates, no vax mandates. Vax, no vax. Strict border controls, no border controls. Drill, stop drilling. War with Russia or peace with Russia.

Cheers

Logically Right

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Feb 11, 2022 16:19:29   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Jflorio wrote:
Who cares?
slatten49 wrote:
Over 81,000,000+ of v**ers.
Correction: 81,000,000+ b****ts.

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Feb 11, 2022 16:25:34   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
Grandpa Rick wrote:
Emily: my dictionary distinguishes between "h**e" and "despise", and I tried to make my feelings clear.

As for defending my right to speak please consider how Trump typically responds to anything approching criticism. For example, his response to Pence saying Trump was wrong about Pence having authority to overturn the e******n. Hardly a defense of free speech rights.

For those of you who applaud what Trump accomplished, please consider that other republicans, who didn't have the moral baggage, could have done the same while being a good role model to your children.
Emily: my dictionary distinguishes between "h... (show quote)


***For those of you who applaud what Trump accomplished, please consider that other republicans, who didn't have the moral baggage, could have done the same while being a good role model to your children.
>>>You are right and as I showed in my other reply to you, I put Trump last. But way above any of the democrats and biden was no where near the top of that list. Yes, I'm a Conservative and Republican and for Freedom. My favorites were Ted Cruz and Scott Walker. I'll still stand behind them.
But you are on about Trump. Did he accomplish more or less then they would have> That debate will go on forever. Meanwhile, we will have the 2022 e******ns to stop biden and his outrageous policies. Then the important 2024 e******ns. And we will need a strong Republican to stop the democrats in their rush towards taking American towards C*******m and tyranny. Would you or will you support one of them, Cruz, Pence or one of the great Republican women mentioned. Or are you just another democrat h**er?

Logically Right

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Feb 11, 2022 16:25:59   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Grandpa Rick wrote:
Emily: my dictionary distinguishes between "h**e" and "despise", and I tried to make my feelings clear.

As for defending my right to speak please consider how Trump typically responds to anything approching criticism. For example, his response to Pence saying Trump was wrong about Pence having authority to overturn the e******n. Hardly a defense of free speech rights.

For those of you who applaud what Trump accomplished, please consider that other republicans, who didn't have the moral baggage, could have done the same while being a good role model to your children.
Emily: my dictionary distinguishes between "h... (show quote)


That last sentence: again, you make a valid point. But then, none of the others won the primary. I would have much preferred an upstanding moral and ethical role model business leader as President. Do you have one handy? In any case, Trump was far and away a better choice, even morally, than Hillary. And as the last fourteen months have shown, Trump would have been a better choice than Biden.

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Feb 11, 2022 16:43:12   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Correction: 81,000,000+ b****ts.

As opposed to Trump's 74,000,000 b****ts.

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Feb 11, 2022 16:45:21   #
EmilyD
 
Grandpa Rick wrote:
Emily: my dictionary distinguishes between "h**e" and "despise", and I tried to make my feelings clear.

As for defending my right to speak please consider how Trump typically responds to anything approching criticism. For example, his response to Pence saying Trump was wrong about Pence having authority to overturn the e******n. Hardly a defense of free speech rights.

For those of you who applaud what Trump accomplished, please consider that other republicans, who didn't have the moral baggage, could have done the same while being a good role model to your children.
Emily: my dictionary distinguishes between "h... (show quote)


Grandpa Rick: I don't know what dictionary you use, but every one that I can find has "h**e" as a synonym for the word "despise".

You did make your feelings clear. There's nothing unclear about your hatred. It is crystal clear. Clear as a bell. You are drowning in TDS hatred!

Trump is Trump, and you obviously don't like the man. But I stand by my conviction that he stands for freedom for America more than anything else. He made that abundantly clear when he was in charge of our country. He made life better for most Americans. He made MY life better....and my family's and friend's lives. That is a fact which I will not let anyone dispute with regard to my situation. Like it or not, I highly admire President Trump, and I hope to God he is re-elected to continue what he started in making this country a great place to live again. We need President Trump back to fix this mess that Biden is making of this country...and the sooner the better!

And with regard to your judgment of his morality, I don't believe you have the authority to be that judge. That is for God to decide, not you.

When President Clinton lied and insisted "he did not have sex with that woman" and then later admitted it, did you judge him?? Did it matter to you that he used the Oval Office for his sexual affair with Monica Lewinsky? What about JFK and Marilyn Monroe? And all the other presidents who were not perfect morally. Do you judge them all?? Or do you just judge Trump?

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Feb 11, 2022 17:06:19   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
EmilyD wrote:
Grandpa Rick: I don't know what dictionary you use, but every one that I can find has "h**e" as a synonym for the word "despise".

You did make your feelings clear. There's nothing unclear about your hatred. It is crystal clear. Clear as a bell. You are drowning in TDS hatred!

Trump is Trump, and you obviously don't like the man. But I stand by my conviction that he stands for freedom for America more than anything else. He made that abundantly clear when he was in charge of our country. He made life better for most Americans. He made MY life better....and my family's and friend's lives. That is a fact which I will not let anyone dispute with regard to my situation. Like it or not, I highly admire President Trump, and I hope to God he is re-elected to continue what he started in making this country a great place to live again. We need President Trump back to fix this mess that Biden is making of this country...and the sooner the better!

And with regard to your judgment of his morality, I don't believe you have the authority to be that judge. That is for God to decide, not you.

When President Clinton lied and insisted "he did not have sex with that woman" and then later admitted it, did you judge him?? Did it matter to you that he used the Oval Office for his sexual affair with Monica Lewinsky? What about JFK and Marilyn Monroe? And all the other presidents who were not perfect morally. Do you judge them all?? Or do you just judge Trump?
Grandpa Rick: I don't know what dictionary you use... (show quote)


I asked him that, too, Emily. So far no answer. I will be interested to see if he gives an response to such a sweet lady as yourself, rather than crusty old me.

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Feb 11, 2022 17:09:28   #
EmilyD
 
RandyBrian wrote:
I asked him that, too, Emily. So far no answer. I will be interested to see if he gives an response to such a sweet lady as yourself, rather than crusty old me.

I would like a lot of Dems to answer that question! 😳

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Feb 11, 2022 18:50:07   #
Grandpa Rick
 
To Emily and Randy: I have no hesitancy to acknowledge that both JFK and Clinton were unfaithful and wrong. But apart from their affairs. I can't think of anything else they did that one might characterize as immoral.

There is no moral equivalence between Clinton and JFK on one hand and Trump on the other; one episode of wrong behavior doesn't equate to the many examples of Trump's wrongful behavior. Did you read any of the material I cited?

And once again, note that I have purposely refrained from attacking his job performance. That is irrelevant to my opinion that he is a despicable person, who should not appear to the world as representative of Americans.

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Feb 11, 2022 19:22:52   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Grandpa Rick wrote:
To Emily and Randy: I have no hesitancy to acknowledge that both JFK and Clinton were unfaithful and wrong. But apart from their affairs. I can't think of anything else they did that one might characterize as immoral.

There is no moral equivalence between Clinton and JFK on one hand and Trump on the other; one episode of wrong behavior doesn't equate to the many examples of Trump's wrongful behavior. Did you read any of the material I cited?

And once again, note that I have purposely refrained from attacking his job performance. That is irrelevant to my opinion that he is a despicable person, who should not appear to the world as representative of Americans.
To Emily and Randy: I have no hesitancy to acknow... (show quote)


Grandpa, have you noticed that Trump is not President anymore,? Get over it already!! White House occupant right now is slo Joe, who's ruining our country!!!

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