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Feb 4, 2022 06:38:51   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
slatten49 wrote:
An old editorial from the Waco Tribune Herald follows. In this instance, I agree wholeheartedly. I have always accepted jury duty as part of being a good citizen. In all honesty, I know few family or friends who agree with my stance on this matter.
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An old witticism holds that the problem with juries is they're made up of people who aren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. One wonders if that will be so amusing after District Clerk Joe Gimble sends out letters informing the 270 people who simply blew off jury summons this month that they can now explain all this to State District Judge Ralph Strother and why they shouldn't be held in contempt of court.

Onerous government overreach? Hardly. And it's high time.

In laying out the Bill of Rights, the Founding Fathers stressed through the 6th Amendment that citizens charged with a crime had a right to trial before an impartial jury, a right that can be traced all the way back to the Magna Carta of 1215. And while this amendment originally applied on to federal trials, the 14th Amendment helped ensure this also applied to trials involving the individual states.

But federal and state justice systems can't function if citizens ignore jury summons, as is reportedly the case in McLennan County. District Clerk Gimble says on average 70% of people summoned for jury duty don't bother to respond to court notices. We're not talking about people who show up for jury duty to then seek waivers before the judge. And, we're not talking about people who understandably seek to change jury service dates because of other unavoidable obligations. We're talking about scofflaws who in the past have probably gotten away with ignoring jury summons and so feel free to do so again. Happily, Judge Strother is giving the 270 people in this particular case a chance to reschedule their service. Our advice: Take the offer...and fast.

Some of us were a little doubtful when district judges and Gimble warned late last year they would take more seriously those who ignore jury duty, but we're glad to see them actually laying down the law. It's overdue. People held in contempt for failing to appear for jury duty can face fines ranging from $100 to $1000. And those who think they can also ignore Gimble's forthcoming letters are subject to a personal visit by a sheriff's deputy with orders to haul them into court.

Americans should revel in jury service, given it's one of the very few obligations a citizen has. It ensures our courts operate properly. And, with controversial trials continually coming up, citizens should be a part of the equation ensuring that any justice dealt is truly just.
An old editorial from the Waco Tribune Herald foll... (show quote)


A necessity if we are going to preserve the foundation of our judicial process, following the constitution adhering to a trial before an impartial jury, or as originally defined “trial by a jury of his peers.”

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Feb 4, 2022 06:55:18   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
A necessity if we are going to preserve the foundation of our judicial process, following the constitution adhering to a trial before an impartial jury, or as originally defined “trial by a jury of his peers.”

Thanks to all who have responded up 'til now.

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Feb 4, 2022 07:48:09   #
son of witless
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Every time I was asked if I was friends or relatives of police officers I would tell them I had a cousin who was a chief of police and several cousins who were cops or married to a cop. It is the t***h and I was never chose


I had two close relatives who were cops, one of them retired from police department where the alleged crime took place, and that did not save me from being selected. About 15 years ago I was on call for 6 months to be selected for a grand jury about 2 hours away from where I live. I never was called. People told me that is far worse than being on a regular jury because it can go on for months.

The thing is, it is a great imposition, and they pay you peanuts, plus mileage. I got compensated by my employer for the difference between jury duty pay and my lost wages, but I would have preferred to be at work and I don't love my job.

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Feb 4, 2022 09:09:41   #
Radiance3
 
slatten49 wrote:
An old editorial from the Waco Tribune Herald follows. In this instance, I agree wholeheartedly. I have always accepted jury duty as part of being a good citizen. In all honesty, I know few family or friends who agree with my stance on this matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

An old witticism holds that the problem with juries is they're made up of people who aren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. One wonders if that will be so amusing after District Clerk Joe Gimble sends out letters informing the 270 people who simply blew off jury summons this month that they can now explain all this to State District Judge Ralph Strother and why they shouldn't be held in contempt of court.

Onerous government overreach? Hardly. And it's high time.

In laying out the Bill of Rights, the Founding Fathers stressed through the 6th Amendment that citizens charged with a crime had a right to trial before an impartial jury, a right that can be traced all the way back to the Magna Carta of 1215. And while this amendment originally applied on to federal trials, the 14th Amendment helped ensure this also applied to trials involving the individual states.

But federal and state justice systems can't function if citizens ignore jury summons, as is reportedly the case in McLennan County. District Clerk Gimble says on average 70% of people summoned for jury duty don't bother to respond to court notices. We're not talking about people who show up for jury duty to then seek waivers before the judge. And, we're not talking about people who understandably seek to change jury service dates because of other unavoidable obligations. We're talking about scofflaws who in the past have probably gotten away with ignoring jury summons and so feel free to do so again. Happily, Judge Strother is giving the 270 people in this particular case a chance to reschedule their service. Our advice: Take the offer...and fast.

Some of us were a little doubtful when district judges and Gimble warned late last year they would take more seriously those who ignore jury duty, but we're glad to see them actually laying down the law. It's overdue. People held in contempt for failing to appear for jury duty can face fines ranging from $100 to $1000. And those who think they can also ignore Gimble's forthcoming letters are subject to a personal visit by a sheriff's deputy with orders to haul them into court.

Americans should revel in jury service, given it's one of the very few obligations a citizen has. It ensures our courts operate properly. And, with controversial trials continually coming up, citizens should be a part of the equation ensuring that any justice dealt is truly just.
An old editorial from the Waco Tribune Herald foll... (show quote)

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Just? There are some abusive lawless and ruthless people who they think they own the government system. During the trial of Chauvin, Maxine Waters went to the Court, demanded to the Judge, and the Juries to convict Chauvin.

The trial of OJ Simpson I think was not also fair. He got out of murder.

I served the Jury 3 times. Was called 4 times. The last one I could not make it.
To qualify as Juror, the prosecutor and the defendant's lawyer challenge each juror several questions to ensure that the juror doesn't have biases, close relationships, or influence of power, and or affiliations to the accused.

Conviction of the accused must be based on factual evidences presented at the Court. That is why sometimes Juries are sequestered to avoid contaminations of rumors, biases, and influences from the outside world.

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Feb 4, 2022 10:26:24   #
billy a Loc: South Florida
 
slatten49 wrote:
An old editorial from the Waco Tribune Herald follows. In this instance, I agree wholeheartedly. I have always accepted jury duty as part of being a good citizen. In all honesty, I know few family or friends who agree with my stance on this matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

An old witticism holds that the problem with juries is they're made up of people who aren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. One wonders if that will be so amusing after District Clerk Joe Gimble sends out letters informing the 270 people who simply blew off jury summons this month that they can now explain all this to State District Judge Ralph Strother and why they shouldn't be held in contempt of court.

Onerous government overreach? Hardly. And it's high time.

In laying out the Bill of Rights, the Founding Fathers stressed through the 6th Amendment that citizens charged with a crime had a right to trial before an impartial jury, a right that can be traced all the way back to the Magna Carta of 1215. And while this amendment originally applied on to federal trials, the 14th Amendment helped ensure this also applied to trials involving the individual states.

But federal and state justice systems can't function if citizens ignore jury summons, as is reportedly the case in McLennan County. District Clerk Gimble says on average 70% of people summoned for jury duty don't bother to respond to court notices. We're not talking about people who show up for jury duty to then seek waivers before the judge. And, we're not talking about people who understandably seek to change jury service dates because of other unavoidable obligations. We're talking about scofflaws who in the past have probably gotten away with ignoring jury summons and so feel free to do so again. Happily, Judge Strother is giving the 270 people in this particular case a chance to reschedule their service. Our advice: Take the offer...and fast.

Some of us were a little doubtful when district judges and Gimble warned late last year they would take more seriously those who ignore jury duty, but we're glad to see them actually laying down the law. It's overdue. People held in contempt for failing to appear for jury duty can face fines ranging from $100 to $1000. And those who think they can also ignore Gimble's forthcoming letters are subject to a personal visit by a sheriff's deputy with orders to haul them into court.

Americans should revel in jury service, given it's one of the very few obligations a citizen has. It ensures our courts operate properly. And, with controversial trials continually coming up, citizens should be a part of the equation ensuring that any justice dealt is truly just.
An old editorial from the Waco Tribune Herald foll... (show quote)


You can bet your patooty I serve. If "We the People" shirk our duties, the "government" will appoint jurors, and you, Ladies and Gentlemen, can imagine where THAT will lead. fjb

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Feb 4, 2022 14:19:23   #
jwrevagent
 
slatten49 wrote:
An old editorial from the Waco Tribune Herald follows. In this instance, I agree wholeheartedly. I have always accepted jury duty as part of being a good citizen. In all honesty, I know few family or friends who agree with my stance on this matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

An old witticism holds that the problem with juries is they're made up of people who aren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. One wonders if that will be so amusing after District Clerk Joe Gimble sends out letters informing the 270 people who simply blew off jury summons this month that they can now explain all this to State District Judge Ralph Strother and why they shouldn't be held in contempt of court.

Onerous government overreach? Hardly. And it's high time.

In laying out the Bill of Rights, the Founding Fathers stressed through the 6th Amendment that citizens charged with a crime had a right to trial before an impartial jury, a right that can be traced all the way back to the Magna Carta of 1215. And while this amendment originally applied on to federal trials, the 14th Amendment helped ensure this also applied to trials involving the individual states.

But federal and state justice systems can't function if citizens ignore jury summons, as is reportedly the case in McLennan County. District Clerk Gimble says on average 70% of people summoned for jury duty don't bother to respond to court notices. We're not talking about people who show up for jury duty to then seek waivers before the judge. And, we're not talking about people who understandably seek to change jury service dates because of other unavoidable obligations. We're talking about scofflaws who in the past have probably gotten away with ignoring jury summons and so feel free to do so again. Happily, Judge Strother is giving the 270 people in this particular case a chance to reschedule their service. Our advice: Take the offer...and fast.

Some of us were a little doubtful when district judges and Gimble warned late last year they would take more seriously those who ignore jury duty, but we're glad to see them actually laying down the law. It's overdue. People held in contempt for failing to appear for jury duty can face fines ranging from $100 to $1000. And those who think they can also ignore Gimble's forthcoming letters are subject to a personal visit by a sheriff's deputy with orders to haul them into court.

Americans should revel in jury service, given it's one of the very few obligations a citizen has. It ensures our courts operate properly. And, with controversial trials continually coming up, citizens should be a part of the equation ensuring that any justice dealt is truly just.
An old editorial from the Waco Tribune Herald foll... (show quote)


Having been on 4 juries in my lifetime-one summons cost me my job-boss said after I came back to work, "You
didn't try hard enough to get out of it." I can tell you that people who serve on juries are intelligent and actually try hard to determine where the t***h lies. The trials I sat in were 1 DWI-not guilty because it was obvious that her husband was driving, and the sheriff's department's actions in the weeks before indicated they wanted to "get" her for something, so they harassed her each day. Next was an attempted murder with a paring knife-guilty. Next was a murder, first degree with enhancement - used baseball bats-no real motive, which made it sadder. Also guilty. Last was a traffic thing, I think-guilty.

Jury duty is a privilege, and an obligation. It is also interesting. I wonder if those who blew off jury duty would be satisfied with a below average in intelligence, honesty and ethics jury panel if they were ever charged with a crime for which a jury trial was necessary.

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Feb 4, 2022 14:30:57   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
billy a wrote:
You can bet your patooty I serve. If "We the People" shirk our duties, the "government" will appoint jurors, and you, Ladies and Gentlemen, can imagine where THAT will lead. fjb


Thanks for serving.

Yes, one could imagine.

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Feb 4, 2022 14:32:50   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
jwrevagent wrote:
Having been on 4 juries in my lifetime-one summons cost me my job-boss said after I came back to work, "You
didn't try hard enough to get out of it." I can tell you that people who serve on juries are intelligent and actually try hard to determine where the t***h lies. The trials I sat in were 1 DWI-not guilty because it was obvious that her husband was driving, and the sheriff's department's actions in the weeks before indicated they wanted to "get" her for something, so they harassed her each day. Next was an attempted murder with a paring knife-guilty. Next was a murder, first degree with enhancement - used baseball bats-no real motive, which made it sadder. Also guilty. Last was a traffic thing, I think-guilty.

Jury duty is a privilege, and an obligation. It is also interesting. I wonder if those who blew off jury duty would be satisfied with a below average in intelligence, honesty and ethics jury panel if they were ever charged with a crime for which a jury trial was necessary.
Having been on 4 juries in my lifetime-one summons... (show quote)

Good anecdotal stories. I agree with your assessment of jury duty.

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Feb 4, 2022 14:56:17   #
Oldsalt
 
slatten49 wrote:
You did your duty as a citizen, Son. I, for one, am both grateful and impressed with your diligence. JFYI, I wasn't exactly thrilled sitting in muddy foxholes during my stay in Viet Nam, either. But, I also dutifully served.

That’s why I stayed on the boat. 👍
My Grandfather was in the trenches of France in WWI he convinced dad to go USN in WWII, when it was my turn to go to Nam I went navy also.

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Feb 4, 2022 15:20:58   #
Radiance3
 
slatten49 wrote:
An old editorial from the Waco Tribune Herald follows. In this instance, I agree wholeheartedly. I have always accepted jury duty as part of being a good citizen. In all honesty, I know few family or friends who agree with my stance on this matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

An old witticism holds that the problem with juries is they're made up of people who aren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. One wonders if that will be so amusing after District Clerk Joe Gimble sends out letters informing the 270 people who simply blew off jury summons this month that they can now explain all this to State District Judge Ralph Strother and why they shouldn't be held in contempt of court.

Onerous government overreach? Hardly. And it's high time.

In laying out the Bill of Rights, the Founding Fathers stressed through the 6th Amendment that citizens charged with a crime had a right to trial before an impartial jury, a right that can be traced all the way back to the Magna Carta of 1215. And while this amendment originally applied on to federal trials, the 14th Amendment helped ensure this also applied to trials involving the individual states.

But federal and state justice systems can't function if citizens ignore jury summons, as is reportedly the case in McLennan County. District Clerk Gimble says on average 70% of people summoned for jury duty don't bother to respond to court notices. We're not talking about people who show up for jury duty to then seek waivers before the judge. And, we're not talking about people who understandably seek to change jury service dates because of other unavoidable obligations. We're talking about scofflaws who in the past have probably gotten away with ignoring jury summons and so feel free to do so again. Happily, Judge Strother is giving the 270 people in this particular case a chance to reschedule their service. Our advice: Take the offer...and fast.

Some of us were a little doubtful when district judges and Gimble warned late last year they would take more seriously those who ignore jury duty, but we're glad to see them actually laying down the law. It's overdue. People held in contempt for failing to appear for jury duty can face fines ranging from $100 to $1000. And those who think they can also ignore Gimble's forthcoming letters are subject to a personal visit by a sheriff's deputy with orders to haul them into court.

Americans should revel in jury service, given it's one of the very few obligations a citizen has. It ensures our courts operate properly. And, with controversial trials continually coming up, citizens should be a part of the equation ensuring that any justice dealt is truly just.
An old editorial from the Waco Tribune Herald foll... (show quote)

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The Jury duties I've served 1. One was drunk driving. 2. The other was burglary. 3 The other case was about a bitter divorce. I convicted these 3 cases based on the evidences presented.

The 4th one I could not make it. It was about murder case. This I could not handle the details and it was dangerous for me to get involved. So, I told the judge I was sick. I said, your honor, I have a heart problem (AF), and am afraid, I can't handle it. I think I lied a little bit, to save myself from that horrible case. So, I was excused when the final se******n was made. What a relief!

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Feb 4, 2022 15:47:01   #
jwrevagent
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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The Jury duties I've served 1. One was drunk driving. 2. The other was burglary. 3 The other case was about a bitter divorce. I convicted these 3 cases based on the evidences presented.

The 4th one I could not make it. It was about murder case. This I could not handle the details and it was dangerous for me to get involved. So, I told the judge I was sick. I said, your honor, I have a heart problem (AF), and am afraid, I can't handle it. I think I lied a little bit, to save myself from that horrible case. So, I was excused when the final se******n was made. What a relief!
================ br i The Jury duties I've serve... (show quote)


Well I can certainly understand that. Not everyone should sit on jury trials in murder cases, I think. In my case, with the murder, they called up over 80 people, and then had to narrow it down to 12 + 2 alternates. There were 5 young men-21 and younger, and a father of one of them-who were charged. The father was charged with hiding a corpse, which he helped to. Each person had their own trial. The young man they murdered was a kind of hanger-on to this group and they did not like him, so they lured him to a park and beat him and when he would not die, and was running away, they pushed his head face first into the river that ran through the park. Then they tried to hide the corpse, figuring they would come back the next day and retrieve the body, cut it up and take it to one of the perp's grandmother's farm and hide it in an old silo. Fortunately, they used cell phones to make arrangements to meet. One of the 5 really felt remorse for his part in it, and confessed readily, though he did nothing to help the victim or try to stop the crime.....so it did not take long for the police to put the story together. We were not sequestered, though we drove to a parking lot away from the courthouse and were picked up by a bus and t***sported to and from same. The judge asked us each day if anyone had tried to talk to us about the case, and if we had watched any news reports or read anything about the case in the newspaper. No one had been contacted throughout the trial, and I asked my neighbor to pick up my paper and he could keep it. Some reporters were outside the courthouse trying to take pictures of the jury, since our names were not given. I worked at the time for the State of WI Dept of Revenue. The policy was that jury duty pay should be turned over to the state because we got our regular paychecks and did not have to take personal time to serve. But about a week before I received my check, the policy changed, and we could keep that money. We were all treated well during this adventure. I would do it again anytime. I was called one more time, but I was retired and over 70 with a hearing impairment, so I was excused. Not sure what that one was for.

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Feb 4, 2022 16:19:55   #
Radiance3
 
jwrevagent wrote:
Well I can certainly understand that. Not everyone should sit on jury trials in murder cases, I think. In my case, with the murder, they called up over 80 people, and then had to narrow it down to 12 + 2 alternates. There were 5 young men-21 and younger, and a father of one of them-who were charged. The father was charged with hiding a corpse, which he helped to. Each person had their own trial. The young man they murdered was a kind of hanger-on to this group and they did not like him, so they lured him to a park and beat him and when he would not die, and was running away, they pushed his head face first into the river that ran through the park. Then they tried to hide the corpse, figuring they would come back the next day and retrieve the body, cut it up and take it to one of the perp's grandmother's farm and hide it in an old silo. Fortunately, they used cell phones to make arrangements to meet. One of the 5 really felt remorse for his part in it, and confessed readily, though he did nothing to help the victim or try to stop the crime.....so it did not take long for the police to put the story together. We were not sequestered, though we drove to a parking lot away from the courthouse and were picked up by a bus and t***sported to and from same. The judge asked us each day if anyone had tried to talk to us about the case, and if we had watched any news reports or read anything about the case in the newspaper. No one had been contacted throughout the trial, and I asked my neighbor to pick up my paper and he could keep it. Some reporters were outside the courthouse trying to take pictures of the jury, since our names were not given. I worked at the time for the State of WI Dept of Revenue. The policy was that jury duty pay should be turned over to the state because we got our regular paychecks and did not have to take personal time to serve. But about a week before I received my check, the policy changed, and we could keep that money. We were all treated well during this adventure. I would do it again anytime. I was called one more time, but I was retired and over 70 with a hearing impairment, so I was excused. Not sure what that one was for.
Well I can certainly understand that. Not everyone... (show quote)

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The pay in our King County, WA, was $10 per day. Not interested on that $10, cause I was also paid in full at my job. Serving a jury takes time. Sometimes, you have to wait a week or more doing nothing till the final jurors are chosen, so bring a book to read.

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Feb 4, 2022 16:25:52   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Neither of the cases I served on as a juror were significant, except of course, to the litigants. One was a shop-lifting case, the other one a suit for damages from a minor auto accident. All other instances where I was called to serve, I was dismissed after voir dire.

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Feb 4, 2022 17:18:03   #
jwrevagent
 
slatten49 wrote:
Neither of the cases I served on as a juror were significant, except of course, to the litigants. One was a shop-lifting case, the other one a suit for damages from a minor auto accident. All other instances where I was called to serve, I was dismissed after voir dire.


But the point is that you served when called. Good for you!

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Feb 4, 2022 17:18:39   #
jwrevagent
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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The pay in our King County, WA, was $10 per day. Not interested on that $10, cause I was also paid in full at my job. Serving a jury takes time. Sometimes, you have to wait a week or more doing nothing till the final jurors are chosen, so bring a book to read.


Thank you for serving and being patient while you wait.

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