Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Yes or we would all be sick
Don't count your Chickens before they hatch.
Parky60 wrote:
Your son is living in your house and has c***d right now although he was v******ted. And you say v******tion works at least in your family's case?
Excellent observation, Parky❕❕❕
pegw wrote:
In the preamble to the constitution, it states, "in order to promote the general welfare" i belive a mandate is just that, something that promoters the general welfare of people.
Something has struck me. When people come down with C***d, their symptoms are on a continuum. I see some people like Sara Palin not having any symptoms, and a good deal of people saying I was unable to get out of bed for 2 weeks, to people who have long C***d or die. I am especially struck by the people who are just short of hospitalization. This looks like It is a lot of people. As my friend said, If I wasn't v******ted i would be dead.
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Well now, pegw, that has to be the most absurd attempt to justify mandates and make them constitutional I have ever encountered.
A "preamble" is a statement of purpose,
a "mandate" is an authoritative command, a dictate.
How you managed to perceive a statement of purpose as an authoritative dictatorial command is anyone's guess.
Our Constitution, which includes the Preamble, is the supreme law of our country.
There is no “force of law” connected to a mandate.
A mandate is in no way supported or authorized by our Constitution.
. . . . "Promote the general Welfare"?
What does that actually mean?
In the context of our Constitution, "promote" means to advance an idea or action, encourage it, remove the obstacles, IOW, allow the citizens the freedom to advance or promote their own welfare, within the law, of course.
To promote the general welfare does not mean provide it.
How many programs are there at the local, state and federal level that provide welfare?
And, who pays for it?
Blade_Runner wrote:
Well now, pegw, that has to be the most absurd attempt to justify mandates and make them constitutional I have ever encountered.
A "preamble" is a statement of purpose,
a "mandate" is an authoritative command, a dictate.
How you managed to perceive a statement of purpose as an authoritative dictatorial command is anyone's guess.
Our Constitution, which includes the Preamble, is the supreme law of our country.
There is no “force of law” connected to a mandate.
A mandate is in no way supported or authorized by our Constitution.
. . . . "Promote the general Welfare"?
What does that actually mean?
In the context of our Constitution, "promote" means to advance an idea or action, encourage it, remove the obstacles, IOW, allow the citizens the freedom to advance or promote their own welfare, within the law, of course.
To promote the general welfare does not mean provide it.
How many programs are there at the local, state and federal level that provide welfare?
And, who pays for it?
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She learned that while trying to get her GED.
Parky60 wrote:
I'm not v******ted, have had c***d and lived. Go figure.
I am not a medical expert so I can't figure. Are you qualified to tell me?
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
My son living in my house has c***d right now. He was v******ted but not boosted. My wife and I are both v******ted as is our little girl age 9. we are not sick. I have to say V******tion works at least in our case.
There’s no way to know. A lot of people who’ve never had the shot haven’t gotten it either
debeda wrote:
There is SO much illegality going on right now with "mandates", i*****l a***ns being seeded all over the country by our government, American citizens held in egregious conditions with no due process, etc, etc, etc. How much more will we tolerate??? When the government AND the "Department of justice" consistently and f**grantly breaks our laws, what do we do?
We need to bring the original 13th Amendment out of the closet where they buried it.
http://thematrixhasyou.org/13th-amendment/Original-13th-Amendment-History.pdfThe Real Thirteenth Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States - Titles of Nobility and HonourAmendment Article XIII
"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind wh**ever, from any Emperor, King, Prince, or foreign Power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."
In its final form, as sent to the Legislatures of the seventeen States for ratification, it reads as follows:
"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind wh**ever, from any Emperor, King, Prince, or foreign Power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.""Foreign Power" such as the Federal Reserve, etc.
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
We need to bring the original 13th Amendment out of the closet where they buried it.
http://thematrixhasyou.org/13th-amendment/Original-13th-Amendment-History.pdfThe Real Thirteenth Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States - Titles of Nobility and HonourAmendment Article XIII
"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind wh**ever, from any Emperor, King, Prince, or foreign Power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."
In its final form, as sent to the Legislatures of the seventeen States for ratification, it reads as follows:
"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind wh**ever, from any Emperor, King, Prince, or foreign Power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.""Foreign Power" such as the Federal Reserve, etc.
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Funny thing, when my wife was becoming a naturalized citizen the first question she was asked was, are you a member of nobility or royalty in another country. She said no. I said to the interviewer, in my mind she's the
Queen of Ukraine, I hope that doesn't count.
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Yes or we would all be sick
And there, ladies and gentlemen, is how the liberal mind works. I rest my case.
rjoeholl wrote:
And there, ladies and gentlemen, is how the liberal mind works. I rest my case.
You are a jerk and you have no idea if I am liberal or not. I'm a regular person . I think freely and act on my own will. I don't go along with the status quo for acceptance and don't give a damn what you or your ladies and gentlemen think.
MidnightRider wrote:
Don sent me a letter, I'm not sure if the guy was a liberal or conservative in this case it really didn't matter that much. He reread the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, do you know which word wasn't there? MANDATES! They used to be called Executive Orders, illegal unless passed by Congress as Obama found out. So, all the mandates not only violate the Constitution (Ex Parte Milligan), and the Nuremberg Code, they are also illegal. That means anyone enforcing them is an agent of illegality.
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Wrong, and all you're doing is spreading misinformation. It is not unconstitutional, nor illegal. Know your s**te before you start spewing. If that were true by the way Trump made a whole lot of illegal moves, besides the ones he's already being tried for. Tell me how many presidents before him have made executive orders and mandates, go ahead and give me that number.
For you...
The U.S. Constitution does not directly define or give the president authority to issue p**********l actions, which include executive orders, p**********l memoranda and proclamations.
Instead, this implied and accepted power derives from
Article II of the Constitution, which states that as head of the executive branch and commander in chief of the armed forces, the president “shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.”With an executive order, the president instructs the government how to work within the parameters already set by Congress and the Constitution. In effect, this allows the president to push through policy change.
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