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Jan 24, 2022 15:48:18   #
Barbancon
 
Did you know the “Treaty of Paris” by which the United States of America was recognized as having gained its free, independent, and sovereign status was signed by the American representatives “in the name of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity”?

Did you know that the US Supreme Court in 1892 declared in ‘Holy Trinity v. United States’ that the historical record of America demonstrates OVERWHELMINGLY that the US is a Christian nation?

C*******t immigrants (posing as democrats) removed such facts from your textbooks.

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Jan 24, 2022 16:03:36   #
skyrider
 
Barbancon wrote:
Did you know the “Treaty of Paris” by which the United States of America gained its free, independent, and sovereign status was signed by the American representatives “in the name of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity”?


Thanks for that post. It's a good piece of history to know , respect, and aim for.

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Jan 24, 2022 16:20:51   #
Barbancon
 
skyrider wrote:
Thanks for that post. It's a good piece of history to know , respect, and aim for.


You’re welcome. I thought it was a telling bit of evidence - the kind that c*******ts always omit. The treaty also speaks frequently of divine providence.

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Jan 24, 2022 16:32:19   #
Fortunate American
 
Barbancon wrote:
You’re welcome. I thought it was a telling bit of evidence - the kind that c*******ts always omit. The treaty also speaks frequently of divine providence.


I’m God we trust.

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Jan 24, 2022 17:05:19   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/172973

America wasn’t founded as a Christian nation and many of our beloved Forefathers were not, yet America was largely comprised of Believers. Liberty allows us to worship freely or not at all per conscience. America was never meant to be theocratic or homogenous religiously, but Christianity has always been indelible to our social fabric.

In fact, The Treaty of Tripoli was signed by President Adams on June 10, 1797 that included the following statement: "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

https://tektonics.org/qt/tripoli.php

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Jan 24, 2022 17:27:10   #
American Vet
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/172973

America wasn’t founded as a Christian nation and many of our beloved Forefathers were not,


It appears that history does not agree with you.

According to Adherents.com which focuses on statistical data relating to many religions around the world, nearly all of the signers of the Articles of Confederation, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were Protestants with Charles Carroll, Daniel Carroll, and Thomas Fitzsimons being the 3 Catholics among the groups mentioned. The breakdown of religious affiliation is as follows:

Episcopalian/Anglican – 88 -54.7%
Presbyterian – 30 – 18.6%
Congregationalist – 27 – 16.8%
Quaker – 7 – 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed – 6 – 3.7%
Lutheran – 5 – 3.1%
Catholic – 3 – 1.9%
Huguenot – 3 – 1.9%
Unitarian – 3 – 1.9%
Methodist – 2 – 1.2%
Calvinist – 1 – 0.6%

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Jan 24, 2022 17:34:45   #
Barbancon
 
The founding fathers were by and large protestant Christians. They did not permit the Fed gov to establish one Christian sect but they did allow any individual state to establish state churches supported by taxes.

Left wing liars always omit this fact when pushing their revisionism. There was no separation of church and state in many of the original states because the people wanted it that way. Many states in the US had state sponsored Christian churches (unity of church and state).

Anyone actually from this country would know that. Massachusetts’ state religion was Congregational Christianity in the early republic, for example - yes official state-sponsored religion in the United States of America. Americans today are free to establish state churches if they want to. Public office was legally restricted to Christians in many states as well.

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Jan 24, 2022 17:53:08   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Barbancon wrote:
Did you know the “Treaty of Paris” by which the United States of America was recognized as having gained its free, independent, and sovereign status was signed by the American representatives “in the name of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity”?

Did you know that the US Supreme Court in 1892 declared in ‘Holy Trinity v. United States’ that the historical record of America demonstrates OVERWHELMINGLY that the US is a Christian nation?

C*******t immigrants (posing as democrats) removed such facts from your textbooks.
Did you know the “Treaty of Paris” by which the Un... (show quote)


Barbabcon, Wow, I thought we were founded on religious freedom like the First Amendment. From time to time, the US Supreme Court says some pretty crazy things. Religious freedom is at the very core of the republic.

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Jan 24, 2022 18:02:04   #
Barbancon
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Barbabcon, Wow, I thought we were founded on religious freedom like the First Amendment. From time to time, the US Supreme Court says some pretty crazy things. Religious freedom is at the very core of the republic.


Religious freedom here means the Fed gov cannot impose any religion on the states or the individuals that comprise them. The states however, are free to establish official state Christian churches if that’s what the people of the state elect their representatives to do. Many of the original states decided to do just that.

Many of the founding fathers lived and died supporting their state church denominations. State taxes supported these state churches just like in England, and anglo-America before the revolution. It was all perfectly normal.

My main point is that the left is lying with their revisionist interpretation of ‘separation of church and state’ doctrine which appears nowhere in our founding documents.

Our founders wanted the people of the states to have choice in their government and religion. Obviously Catholic Maryland v**ers wanted a Catholic state church or they wouldn’t have instructed their represenatives to make one. Connecticut, on the other hand, wanted a protestant state church. Perfectly legit.

Freedom of religion in the original United States did not mean freedom from religion in the way revisionist l*****ts would have you believe.

The founders were intentionally following the model of the Holy Roman Empire where the consituent states could decide to be Methodist, Calvinist, or Catholic according to the people’s beliefs. The intention was to avoid religious conflict and wars. This is what religious freedom meant to my ancestors when they founded this country.

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Jan 24, 2022 18:03:58   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
American Vet wrote:
It appears that history does not agree with you.

According to Adherents.com which focuses on statistical data relating to many religions around the world, nearly all of the signers of the Articles of Confederation, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were Protestants with Charles Carroll, Daniel Carroll, and Thomas Fitzsimons being the 3 Catholics among the groups mentioned. The breakdown of religious affiliation is as follows:

Episcopalian/Anglican – 88 -54.7%
Presbyterian – 30 – 18.6%
Congregationalist – 27 – 16.8%
Quaker – 7 – 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed – 6 – 3.7%
Lutheran – 5 – 3.1%
Catholic – 3 – 1.9%
Huguenot – 3 – 1.9%
Unitarian – 3 – 1.9%
Methodist – 2 – 1.2%
Calvinist – 1 – 0.6%
It appears that history does not agree with you. b... (show quote)

No, it is you who doesn't agree with history and historians.

There is no arguing your stats. But, I guess you missed the part, "many of our beloved Forefathers were not, yet America was largely comprised of (Christian) Believers."

https://greatamericanhistory.net/blog/the-religious-beliefs-of-americas-founding-fathers-christians-or-deists/

From above link: "For most of America’s Founding Founders, their religious writings support two primary positions: (1) The God of the Bible governs the affairs of mankind, and (2) each person should have the freedom to worship Him as he or she sees fit. Although these beliefs are more than deism, they are not, by themselves, sufficient for Christianity. Theistic rationalism is a reasonable description of the Founders' beliefs."

Deists are not necessarily Christians. Keep in mind, although there are others to note, there are only 8 considered the original Founding Fathers...George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Samuel Adams, James Madison and John Jay. Many include Thomas Paine and Paul Revere.

It was President John Adams who included the quote, "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" in the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli.

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-19950-1.html

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Jan 24, 2022 18:20:06   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
Barbancon wrote:
Did you know the “Treaty of Paris” by which the United States of America was recognized as having gained its free, independent, and sovereign status was signed by the American representatives “in the name of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity”?

Did you know that the US Supreme Court in 1892 declared in ‘Holy Trinity v. United States’ that the historical record of America demonstrates OVERWHELMINGLY that the US is a Christian nation?

C*******t immigrants (posing as democrats) removed such facts from your textbooks.
Did you know the “Treaty of Paris” by which the Un... (show quote)


Today, Christianity has become perverted by TV preachers and q***rs in the church.

It has become a money laundering scheme that uses God as a cover up.

America is no longer truly a Christian nation.

The f**e President is a p*******e and more than half of America is either a t****y, a q***r or one of the many demonized atheists and d*****ts.

So even if America really was founded upon Christian values, it sure as hell hasn't remained that way.

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Jan 24, 2022 18:33:24   #
American Vet
 
slatten49 wrote:
No, it is you who doesn't agree with history and historians.

I guess you missed the part, "many of our beloved Forefathers were not, yet America was largely comprised of (Christian) Believers." There is no arguing your stats.

However, Deists are not necessarily Christians. Keep in mind, although there are others to note, there were only 8 considered the original Founding Fathers...George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Samuel Adams, James Madison and John Jay. Many include Thomas Paine and Paul Revere.

It was President John Adams who included the quote, "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" in the Treaty of Tripoli.
No, it is you who doesn't agree with history and h... (show quote)


I didn't miss anything.

You made the comment that 'many of our beloved Forefathers were not (Christian)'. I pointed out their respective churches: All Christian churches of various denominations.

And here are some more of their writingsd/thoughts/comments:
https://wallbuilders.com/founding-fathers-jesus-christianity-bible/


>>>>It was President John Adams who included the quote, "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" in the Treaty of Tripoli.

He also said:
The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.1

Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company: I mean hell.

The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.

Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopia – what a Paradise would this region be!

I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.
—Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.

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Jan 24, 2022 18:34:07   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Barbancon wrote:
Religious freedom here means the Fed gov cannot impose any religion on the states or the individuals that comprise them. The states however, are free to establish official state Christian churches if that’s what the people of the state elect their representatives to do. Many of the original states decided to do just that.

Many of the founding fathers lived and died supporting their state church denominations. State taxes supported these state churches just like in mother England, and in America before the revolution. It was all perfectlybnormal.

Kind readers, my main point is that the left is lying with their revisionist interpretation of ‘separation of church and state’ doctrine which appears nowhere in our founding documents.

Our founders wanted the people of the states to have choice in their government and religion. Obviously Catholic Maryland v**ers wanted a Catholic state church or they wouldn’t instructed their represenatives to make one. Connecticut, on the other hand, wanted a protestant state church. Perfectly legit.

Freedom of religion in the original United States did not mean freedom from religion in the way revisionist l*****ts would have you believe.

The founders were intentionally following the model of the Holy Roman Empire where the consituent states could decide to be Methodist, Calvinist, or Catholic according to the people’s beliefs. The intention was to avoid religious conflict and wars. This is what religious freedom meant to my ancestors when they founded this country.
Religious freedom here means the Fed gov cannot im... (show quote)




When and why then did state sponsored Religions end??

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Jan 24, 2022 18:42:48   #
Barbancon
 
permafrost wrote:
When and why then did state sponsored Religions end??


They ended gradually throughout the 19th c. as mass foreign immigration undermined the political representation of the founding stock Americans and alien beliefs like Marxism, socialism, democracy, illuminist freemasonry and atheism were mainstreamed by the new American underclass.

Of course Biblical literalism fell out of favor with many mainstream founding stock Americans with advances in the sciences, and Darwinism also had great impact on the educated classes of the founding stock, so it was not just the radicalism of the teeming masses that eroded the old Christian belief.

My view in that the advances of science were good for America while the alien beliefs of the immigrants have been largely d******e and destructive.

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Jan 24, 2022 18:45:16   #
Fortunate American
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
Today, Christianity has become perverted by TV preachers and q***rs in the church.

It has become a money laundering scheme that uses God as a cover up.

America is no longer truly a Christian nation.

The f**e President is a p*******e and more than half of America is either a t****y, a q***r or one of the many demonized atheists and d*****ts.

So even if America really was founded upon Christian values, it sure as hell hasn't remained that way.


When they took God (the Ten Commandments) out of the schools the path was established to remove the Lord’s message from our children and society at large. Freedom of Religion has been hijacked and turned to Freedom from religion.

The Ten Commandments are wonderful lessons, guidelines, edicts, in which to strive and adhere, regardless of religious affiliation.

As for me and my house we will serve the Lord..

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