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Jan 19, 2022 23:02:17   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Looked them up...

They seem like the sort of folk who need a lead enema ..


agreed

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Jan 19, 2022 23:51:53   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Do you have any idea, Tom, how Indian tribes treated each other?

For example, the Commanche are considered the most brutal tribe among brutal tribes. The Commanche methods of torture would put Islamic Jihadists to shame. They were well known among their enemies for their viciousness.
Their methods of a******n for unmarried women who became pregnant was unbelievably gruesome - neither mother or baby survived.

T***h is, the Commanche torture and k*****g of their Indian enemies was far more brutal than when k*****g w****s.
And, they ens***ed many captives, both Indian and white.

But of course, the Commanche was not the only brutal warring tribe, nearly all tribes had war chiefs and the young boys became warriors.

Bunch of teenage Cheyenne (around 20 of them, youngest was 11), called themselves the "suicide squad", made an attack at the Battle of Little Bighorn that sealed Custer's fate. Several hundred yards down the ridge, below Last Stand hill facing the river, a dismounted company had formed a skirmish line. These kids came in on their flank and went straight for their horses. They k**led the horse holders, scattered the horses, and sent the troopers running.

For many Indian tribes, war was a way of life.

Before the Spanish Conquistadors, before Columbus, before the Pilgrims, and for a couple centuries after the "white man" arrived, North America was a land of tribalism. Over 1200 tribes of indigenous people, many of whom were constantly at war with each other. They fought over land and resources. Other tribes formed alliances to deal with a common enemy.

The American Indians were a proud, in many cases, beautiful, and primitive people. They were never prepared for nor cared for civilization. They tried it, it didn't take. Civilization simply overwhelmed them.

Gotta hand it to them though, they fought like hell for their way of life and their beliefs.

Having said that, the way in which the US government treated the Indians was, in many cases, atrocious. The US Army, which bore the brunt of war with the Indians, had some really nasty leaders, sociopaths in some cases. The same can be said of some politicians across the country and in DC.

So, yeah, due the the extreme differences in cultures, the entire war with the Native Americans was a truly brutal affair.
Do you have any idea, Tom, how Indian tribes treat... (show quote)


I am descended from a group of 263 survivors of a tribe that once numbered around 6000. They were chased out of Canada by miners and farmers who wanted their land. They made it to the American side and the safety of the Colville Indian reservation. They were never allowed to return and in 1957 the Canadian government declared them extinct.

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Jan 20, 2022 02:00:56   #
trashbaum
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I am descended from a group of 263 survivors of a tribe that once numbered around 6000. They were chased out of Canada by miners and farmers who wanted their land. They made it to the American side and the safety of the Colville Indian reservation. They were never allowed to return and in 1957 the Canadian government declared them extinct.


Well you explain pretty good for someone who is not there.

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Jan 20, 2022 11:31:46   #
Ricktloml
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I am descended from a group of 263 survivors of a tribe that once numbered around 6000. They were chased out of Canada by miners and farmers who wanted their land. They made it to the American side and the safety of the Colville Indian reservation. They were never allowed to return and in 1957 the Canadian government declared them extinct.



Wow! So glad you, (and the other 262,) are here to prove just how wrong the Canadian government was. It is truly shameful! I am a good deal Cherokee, and while the shameful "Trial of Tears" k**led thousands, the Tribe itself is now strong. After the oil boom in Oklahoma, young men regularly "married" Osage girls/women, then k**led them for their oil rights. They were not prosecuted.

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Jan 20, 2022 16:53:24   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Wow! So glad you, (and the other 262,) are here to prove just how wrong the Canadian government was. It is truly shameful! I am a good deal Cherokee, and while the shameful "Trial of Tears" k**led thousands, the Tribe itself is now strong. After the oil boom in Oklahoma, young men regularly "married" Osage girls/women, then k**led them for their oil rights. They were not prosecuted.



I have a descendent (Great, Great and maybe one more great Grandfather) that walked the trail of tears . My grandmother was a storyteller, passing down stories of history and what happened at the Avent of white men arriving to North America and generations after. Reminds me to dig out a copy of a book she Authored, a survival guide that mostly references Cherokee survival methods (plants, foods, healing, shelters, cloths making from deer skins and a great deal more) along with pioneer survival methods.
Her book gives a deeper understanding how Cherokee lived dozens of generations ago.

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Jan 20, 2022 17:08:32   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I am descended from a group of 263 survivors of a tribe that once numbered around 6000. They were chased out of Canada by miners and farmers who wanted their land. They made it to the American side and the safety of the Colville Indian reservation. They were never allowed to return and in 1957 the Canadian government declared them extinct.


Glad you're here!

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Jan 20, 2022 23:42:48   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
proud republican wrote:
Glad you're here!


I am here by grace and I don't forget where I came from.---The most marginalized and under represented people in this country.

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