The Loophole That Defeated President Trump Tried to Steal the E******n With Is Still There
Jan 7, 2022 10:17:02 #
[Pence actually could have had ended the democratic process of free e******ns.]
Daily Beast
Gretchen Carlson
Fri, January 7, 2022, 3:03 AM
Much of what was broken on J*** 6 can’t be fixed, but there’s one thing that can: the loophole in the E*******l Count Act on which Donald Trump pinned his hopes of overturning the 2020 e******n.
That badly worded law—leaving open the question whether the vice president’s role is merely ceremonial or he has the power to replace duly certified e*****rs—is still on the books. It requires only one member from the House and one from the Senate to make an objection to halt the count, with both branches of Congress then retiring to their respective chambers.
From there, the e******n can be tossed to the House.
With state delegations v****g, not e*****rs, Trump would have prevailed there, and likely prevailed again when that mess eventually made its way to a Supreme Court packed with Trump judges.
That was the plan for overturning the v**ers’ will in an e******n that wasn’t even close, unlike the Hayes-Tilden nail-biter in 1876 that inspired the ECA. The new law created a solemn ceremony, presided over by the vice president, presenting the state’s e*****rs to Congress and setting the e******n in stone. It worked for 133 years until a madman came along.
Yet neither party’s been in any rush to tackle the ECA, that is until the eve of the J*** 6 memorial when Mitch McConnell, in answer to a reporter’s question about the flawed measure, allowed that “It is worth, I think, discussing.” Hardly a call to action.
But it gave the cyborgs at Fox, with no interest in covering the J*** 6 ceremonies, something to chew over the next morning. The panel was aghast that Biden hadn’t mentioned the off-hand comment McConnell had made less than 24 hours earlier.
McConnell, of course, will only think “it” is worth discussing if “it” gives him cover to k**l v****g reforms and doesn’t enrage Trump to the point where he puts up more crackpot candidates like Dr. Oz and Herschel Walker to challenge any Republican who’s annoyed the King of Mar-a-Lago. Every time Trump dredges up a primary challenger to an establishment candidate, the odds of McConnell reclaiming his Majority Leader post get worse.
The timing of McConnell’s proposal was convenient, diverting attention from his party’s craven decision not to participate in any of yesterday’s events commemorating the day of infamy that Republicans spent the last year denying. They variously called it a mere protest of a f********t e******n, just another day in January, or tourists gone wild—and they all agreed it’s definitely something that should be put in the rear view mirror so the country (read: the GOP) could move on.
A year later, many members remain mum on the subject of who’s president. It took six months for McConnell to concede that Biden is—which has a lot to do with fewer than six in 10 Americans, and barely three in 10 Republicans, believing it. The Senate’s dutiful look back at what happened was careful to leave out Trump and his co-conspirators. The whitewash concluded that it was all a failure of the FBI, the Pentagon, and the C*****l P****e to plan for an expected demonstration.
At least Republicans in the Senate cooperated in an inquiry, unlike their counterparts in the House “led,” if that’s the word for it, by Kevin McCarthy. After briefly calling Trump responsible for the i**********n, he flew to Palm Beach to apologize in person. Returned to Trump’s good graces, McCarthy fought tooth and nail to k**l any investigation. When he appointed obnoxious Trump sycophants to sabotage the J*** 6 select committee, then washed his hands of the whole thing, Nancy Pelosi called his bluff and appointed Republicans like Liz Cheney instead. If it’s the last thing he does, McCarthy will see that Cheney, whom he removed from her leadership position for v****g to impeach Trump, loses her seat. It’s a daily rebuke to him when she gives witness daily to the reality that Trump’s backers stormed the Capitol Building to interrupt the process certifying the e******n created by the ECA, and that her fellow Republicans were complicit in it.
If McConnell is serious about reforming the ECA, he would be opening a can of worms he’s kept a lid on until now. He’s covered for his caucus, not criticizing, much less censuring, the senators who pledged to uphold the constitution but instead defiled it to keep Trump in the Oval Office. Sen. Josh Hawley’s star is still rising despite saying on Jan. 5 of 2020 that a second Trump term depended “on what happens on Wednesday,” J*** 6. He must have known.
For different reasons, Democrats haven’t been much better when it comes to amending the ECA that remains vulnerable to the machinations of the next authoritarian loser. Part of the Democrat's reluctance comes from the assumption that there could never be another president as unscrupulous as Trump and with such an iron grip on his party. Chuck Schumer is otherwise engaged, focused like a laser on passing two other pieces of critical legislation that will partly correct for the successful efforts in states run by the GOP to make v****g as difficult as possible and putting in place partisans to count the v**e—and to keep counting it until it comes to the “right” result for their party.
But reform is urgently needed. It’s breathtaking that Trump thought he could overturn the most audited e******n in history, and it’s frightening how close Trump got with the help of a broad reading of a murky law by his clownish lawyers.
Even after the violent assault on our democracy was contained, the non-violent one continued when Congress reconvened. Three hours after members had been running for their lives, 147 House Republicans drove a Mack Truck through the ECA’s loophole to stop the proceedings, as Trump and those who attacked them wanted. Not even an armed invasion of the Capitol could wake the GOP from its Trump stupor. The terrorists almost won.
“When f*****m comes to America, it will be wrapped in the f**g and carrying a cross,” Sinclair Lewis famously wrote in his 1935 dystopian novel It Can’t Happen Here. He described i**********nists hiding behind Old Glory but even he didn’t imagine them wielding it as a literal weapon.
Despite the fact that a failed c**p is practice for the next one, the same loophole Trump tried to exploit is still wide open. Except for taxes and judges, McConnell has no brief for Trump. The Turtle can’t stand to be around the Donald, and the Donald can’t stop insulting the Turtle.
To make up for the many chances McConnell’s missed to loosen Trump’s grip, he has a chance now. Like Mike Pence, he should try to relocate his spine, and fix what can be for now. He could close the loophole Trump tried to weasel through and stop Trump or any of the Trump wannabees waiting in the wings from another J*** 6.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/loophole-trump-tried-steal-e******n-100345914.html
Daily Beast
Gretchen Carlson
Fri, January 7, 2022, 3:03 AM
Much of what was broken on J*** 6 can’t be fixed, but there’s one thing that can: the loophole in the E*******l Count Act on which Donald Trump pinned his hopes of overturning the 2020 e******n.
That badly worded law—leaving open the question whether the vice president’s role is merely ceremonial or he has the power to replace duly certified e*****rs—is still on the books. It requires only one member from the House and one from the Senate to make an objection to halt the count, with both branches of Congress then retiring to their respective chambers.
From there, the e******n can be tossed to the House.
With state delegations v****g, not e*****rs, Trump would have prevailed there, and likely prevailed again when that mess eventually made its way to a Supreme Court packed with Trump judges.
That was the plan for overturning the v**ers’ will in an e******n that wasn’t even close, unlike the Hayes-Tilden nail-biter in 1876 that inspired the ECA. The new law created a solemn ceremony, presided over by the vice president, presenting the state’s e*****rs to Congress and setting the e******n in stone. It worked for 133 years until a madman came along.
Yet neither party’s been in any rush to tackle the ECA, that is until the eve of the J*** 6 memorial when Mitch McConnell, in answer to a reporter’s question about the flawed measure, allowed that “It is worth, I think, discussing.” Hardly a call to action.
But it gave the cyborgs at Fox, with no interest in covering the J*** 6 ceremonies, something to chew over the next morning. The panel was aghast that Biden hadn’t mentioned the off-hand comment McConnell had made less than 24 hours earlier.
McConnell, of course, will only think “it” is worth discussing if “it” gives him cover to k**l v****g reforms and doesn’t enrage Trump to the point where he puts up more crackpot candidates like Dr. Oz and Herschel Walker to challenge any Republican who’s annoyed the King of Mar-a-Lago. Every time Trump dredges up a primary challenger to an establishment candidate, the odds of McConnell reclaiming his Majority Leader post get worse.
The timing of McConnell’s proposal was convenient, diverting attention from his party’s craven decision not to participate in any of yesterday’s events commemorating the day of infamy that Republicans spent the last year denying. They variously called it a mere protest of a f********t e******n, just another day in January, or tourists gone wild—and they all agreed it’s definitely something that should be put in the rear view mirror so the country (read: the GOP) could move on.
A year later, many members remain mum on the subject of who’s president. It took six months for McConnell to concede that Biden is—which has a lot to do with fewer than six in 10 Americans, and barely three in 10 Republicans, believing it. The Senate’s dutiful look back at what happened was careful to leave out Trump and his co-conspirators. The whitewash concluded that it was all a failure of the FBI, the Pentagon, and the C*****l P****e to plan for an expected demonstration.
At least Republicans in the Senate cooperated in an inquiry, unlike their counterparts in the House “led,” if that’s the word for it, by Kevin McCarthy. After briefly calling Trump responsible for the i**********n, he flew to Palm Beach to apologize in person. Returned to Trump’s good graces, McCarthy fought tooth and nail to k**l any investigation. When he appointed obnoxious Trump sycophants to sabotage the J*** 6 select committee, then washed his hands of the whole thing, Nancy Pelosi called his bluff and appointed Republicans like Liz Cheney instead. If it’s the last thing he does, McCarthy will see that Cheney, whom he removed from her leadership position for v****g to impeach Trump, loses her seat. It’s a daily rebuke to him when she gives witness daily to the reality that Trump’s backers stormed the Capitol Building to interrupt the process certifying the e******n created by the ECA, and that her fellow Republicans were complicit in it.
If McConnell is serious about reforming the ECA, he would be opening a can of worms he’s kept a lid on until now. He’s covered for his caucus, not criticizing, much less censuring, the senators who pledged to uphold the constitution but instead defiled it to keep Trump in the Oval Office. Sen. Josh Hawley’s star is still rising despite saying on Jan. 5 of 2020 that a second Trump term depended “on what happens on Wednesday,” J*** 6. He must have known.
For different reasons, Democrats haven’t been much better when it comes to amending the ECA that remains vulnerable to the machinations of the next authoritarian loser. Part of the Democrat's reluctance comes from the assumption that there could never be another president as unscrupulous as Trump and with such an iron grip on his party. Chuck Schumer is otherwise engaged, focused like a laser on passing two other pieces of critical legislation that will partly correct for the successful efforts in states run by the GOP to make v****g as difficult as possible and putting in place partisans to count the v**e—and to keep counting it until it comes to the “right” result for their party.
But reform is urgently needed. It’s breathtaking that Trump thought he could overturn the most audited e******n in history, and it’s frightening how close Trump got with the help of a broad reading of a murky law by his clownish lawyers.
Even after the violent assault on our democracy was contained, the non-violent one continued when Congress reconvened. Three hours after members had been running for their lives, 147 House Republicans drove a Mack Truck through the ECA’s loophole to stop the proceedings, as Trump and those who attacked them wanted. Not even an armed invasion of the Capitol could wake the GOP from its Trump stupor. The terrorists almost won.
“When f*****m comes to America, it will be wrapped in the f**g and carrying a cross,” Sinclair Lewis famously wrote in his 1935 dystopian novel It Can’t Happen Here. He described i**********nists hiding behind Old Glory but even he didn’t imagine them wielding it as a literal weapon.
Despite the fact that a failed c**p is practice for the next one, the same loophole Trump tried to exploit is still wide open. Except for taxes and judges, McConnell has no brief for Trump. The Turtle can’t stand to be around the Donald, and the Donald can’t stop insulting the Turtle.
To make up for the many chances McConnell’s missed to loosen Trump’s grip, he has a chance now. Like Mike Pence, he should try to relocate his spine, and fix what can be for now. He could close the loophole Trump tried to weasel through and stop Trump or any of the Trump wannabees waiting in the wings from another J*** 6.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/loophole-trump-tried-steal-e******n-100345914.html
Jan 7, 2022 10:20:16 #
rumitoid wrote:
Pence actually could have had ended the democrati... (show quote)
Trump didn't steal the e******n; the Democrats beat him to it.
Jan 7, 2022 10:24:32 #
microphor
Loc: Home is TN
rumitoid wrote:
Pence actually could have had ended the democrati... (show quote)
You make me sick, I don't remember you trying to shut down that Russian Cullision farce Dems had going. We listened to their promise of "irrefutable facts" for years when wr know without a doubt that if Dems had any, ANY irrefutable evidence what so ever, they would have put it out there iediately. But they didn't because they couldn't and you're doing same with J** 6.
Jan 7, 2022 10:34:37 #
rumitoid wrote:
Pence actually could have had ended the democrati... (show quote)
Correction Trump was trying to expose a p**********l theft. Biden s***e the e******n and you things just carry on the big lie.
Jan 7, 2022 10:39:03 #
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
Trump didn't steal the e******n; the Democrats beat him to it.
Dems = Majority
Reps=. Minority
No tricks , simple math , the one with the most white marbles wins.
These things haven’t changed in all time.
The the Losers who agreed to v**e also agreed to capitulate. Or not v**e.
Very simple.
Unlike the complicated Turkey chase trump has concocted, the most white marbles wins.
Here’s a thing perhaps unnoticed by the trumpees. Trumps motivation has been totally restricted to keeping the
Trump Crime Family out of jail.
Nothing else.
So there’s the trump family motivation butting heads with his flying monkeys , each fighting for a different cause. Trump doesn’t care about party , nation , god, or anything else. Only Trump !
Lol !
Too funny !
Wakey Wakey !
Jan 7, 2022 10:41:09 #
microphor wrote:
You make me sick, I don't remember you trying to shut down that Russian Cullision farce Dems had going. We listened to their promise of "irrefutable facts" for years when wr know without a doubt that if Dems had any, ANY irrefutable evidence what so ever, they would have put it out there iediately. But they didn't because they couldn't and you're doing same with J** 6.
We have Russians in jail who were complicit
To say it didn’t happen , is, frankly stoopid .
With 2 oo’s !
Jan 7, 2022 10:43:24 #
microphor wrote:
You make me sick, I don't remember you trying to shut down that Russian Cullision farce Dems had going. We listened to their promise of "irrefutable facts" for years when wr know without a doubt that if Dems had any, ANY irrefutable evidence what so ever, they would have put it out there iediately. But they didn't because they couldn't and you're doing same with J** 6.
There irrefutable facts hidden from the light by complicit republicans.
Trump is still on notice for
10 acts of Obstruction in the Meuller report.
10 Felony Acts if Obstruction.
Unimportant to the trumpees.
Jan 7, 2022 11:10:06 #
microphor
Loc: Home is TN
Milosia2 wrote:
We have Russians in jail who were complicit
To say it didn’t happen , is, frankly stoopid .
With 2 oo’s !
To say it didn’t happen , is, frankly stoopid .
With 2 oo’s !
The collusion didn't happen with the Russisns. Trump wasn't colluding, do you know the difference but the Dems were colluding to overturn a f**r e******n via a f**e dossier and a few corrupt FBI . To say that because some Russians did something mKes somebody else guilty," just because that's what you want"is just plain stooopid with 3 ooo's.
Jan 7, 2022 11:11:56 #
microphor
Loc: Home is TN
Milosia2 wrote:
There irrefutable facts hidden from the light by complicit republicans.
Trump is still on notice for
10 acts of Obstruction in the Meuller report.
10 Felony Acts if Obstruction.
Unimportant to the trumpees.
Trump is still on notice for
10 acts of Obstruction in the Meuller report.
10 Felony Acts if Obstruction.
Unimportant to the trumpees.
Been waiting 6 years for evidence. Charge away, thats not evidence! PS, IF there were irrefutable evidence the DEMS would present it because that's how bad they wanted him out of office and to keep him out of office. Do you people use your brains. There is no irrefutable evidence because he did not collude with Russia. But Biden did use his position to get a DA fired to protect his son's position on Burrisma, remember, we saw him bragging about it.
Jan 7, 2022 11:49:26 #
Milosia2 wrote:
Dems = Majority br Reps=. Minority br No tricks... (show quote)
The only thing I got from this was its wakey wakey as usual.
Jan 7, 2022 12:23:56 #
microphor wrote:
The collusion didn't happen with the Russisns. Trump wasn't colluding, do you know the difference but the Dems were colluding to overturn a f**r e******n via a f**e dossier and a few corrupt FBI . To say that because some Russians did something mKes somebody else guilty," just because that's what you want"is just plain stooopid with 3 ooo's.
Trump was having secret meetings in the Oval Office with Russians, no US media allowed. Go ahead take stab at that one.
Was it only for Tea ?
Jan 7, 2022 12:26:32 #
microphor
Loc: Home is TN
Milosia2 wrote:
Trump was having secret meetings in the Oval Office with Russians, no US media allowed. Go ahead take stab at that one.
Was it only for Tea ?
Was it only for Tea ?
Prove it. Your word has no merit due to your bias.
Jan 7, 2022 13:01:46 #
vernon wrote:
The only thing I got from this was its wakey wakey as usual.
So you do know how v****g works, you just think it would work better for you , your way ?
Next time if you think you might lose,
Simple, Don’t V**e.
Save yourself the embarrassment of the whiney little b***h syndrome.
Jan 7, 2022 13:02:23 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
rumitoid wrote:
Pence actually could have had ended the democrati... (show quote)
If its a loop hole then it is legal. Trump contemplating that loop hole is not t*****rous nor is it illegal or representative of any "c**p" attempt.
Jan 7, 2022 13:03:00 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
Milosia2 wrote:
Trump was having secret meetings in the Oval Office with Russians, no US media allowed. Go ahead take stab at that one.
Was it only for Tea ?
Was it only for Tea ?
LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Talk about conspiracy theories!!!!
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