Which one is the human being? (Page 2): Actually, that was a trick question. NONE of them are human beings although one is human. Here is a more developed view.

JW

JW wrote:

Four fetuses, can you tell?

Actually, that was a trick question. NONE of them are human beings although one is human. Here is a more developed view.

bggamers Loc: georgia

JW wrote:

Actually, that was a trick question. NONE of them are human beings although one is human. Here is a more developed view.

The one I said was a bird was the human OOPS

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

JW wrote:

Actually, that was a trick question. NONE of them are human beings although one is human. Here is a more developed view.

Bottom right looks like a human being to me.

JW

Blade_Runner wrote:

Bottom right looks like a human being to me.

Bottom right is a child. It is human but not a human being. The noun, 'being' conveys specific parameters not met by a child below the age of accountability and most definitely not found in a fetus. (NO, I am not saying anything about k*****g anything. I refer to the meanings of words we use and laws we live by.)

JW

bggamers wrote:

The one I said was a bird was the human OOPS

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

JW wrote:

Bottom right is a child. It is human but not a human being. The noun, 'being' conveys specific parameters not met by a child below the age of accountability and most definitely not found in a fetus. (NO, I am not saying anything about k*****g anything. I refer to the meanings of words we use and laws we live by.)

Being (noun)
The state or quality of having existence;
something that actually exists;

A human exists in a woman's womb, therefore it is a being.

Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA

I'm going to haver to go with Blade Runner on this one...

(quote) "Zygote: This cell results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo). The expression fertilized ovum refers to a secondary oocyte that is impregnated by a sperm; when fertilization is complete, the oocyte becomes a zygote." (end Quote)

I have always believed that life begins at the moment of Fertilization.

https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/wdhbb.html

JW wants us to believe our Political Political Laws determine when the life is a Human Being rather than the Laws of Nature ruling on this matter,

Wade vs Roe decision rules that the life became a Human Life when it was viable living out of the Mother. That was 1973 and Science has moved that point back to a living in a petri dish

A Human Being begins it's Life at the Moment of Conception and should be protected by our Constitutional Rights. If the mothers life is in danger, or the fetus in severely malformed exceptions are to be considered. There are serious times when a******ns should be performed.

Taking of a Human Life is an extreme act, especially when it is a defenseless child.

agatemaggot Loc: waterloo iowa

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

I'm not a vegan... Hell, I go out of my way to eat meat just so the efforts of one vegan somewhere are futile

Me to !

BigJim

Nature tries to start a new human when a woman ovulates. Biologically men's purpose is to fertilize those ova, and he usually expends great effort trying to. If human life is sacred, anything which prevents that ovum from becoming a full human should be prohibited, including woman's abstinence.
Obviously not socially acceptable. This means we do NOT consider human life sacred. Some people think that it starts at conception, but this is a religious view, and the first amendment prohibits an establishment of religion.

American Vet

BigJim wrote:

Nature tries to start a new human when a woman ovu... (show quote)

Actually, science says that human life starts at conception.

The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception
American College of Pediatricians
https://acpeds.org/position-statements/when-human-life-begins

JW

Blade_Runner wrote:

Being (noun)
The state or quality of having existence;
something that actually exists;

A human exists in a woman's womb, therefore it is a being.

That definition applies to a worm. try one of these... https://www.bing.com/search?q=human+being+def&form=ANNTH1&refig=a707718443d94f529954d09a77a9869d&sp=1&qs=HS&pq=human+being&sk=PRES1&sc=8-11&cvid=a707718443d94f529954d09a77a9869d

You will find that there is no definition of a human being that includes a fetus and, frankly, no definition of a human being that is generally agreed upon.

JW

American Vet wrote:

Actually, science says that human life starts at conception.

The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception
American College of Pediatricians
https://acpeds.org/position-statements/when-human-life-begins

Of course it does, but the existence of a human being begins at birth. also, notice the word, 'predominance', it acknowledges that not every scientist agrees with that opinion.

Wonttakeitanymore

Ferrous wrote:

Especially the defenseless unborn... Taking a life... (show quote)

Ovomit wanted a******n after live birth! Too bad his mom didn’t though!

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

JW wrote:

That definition applies to a worm. try one of these... https://www.bing.com/search?q=human+being+def&form=ANNTH1&refig=a707718443d94f529954d09a77a9869d&sp=1&qs=HS&pq=human+being&sk=PRES1&sc=8-11&cvid=a707718443d94f529954d09a77a9869d

You will find that there is no definition of a human being that includes a fetus and, frankly, no definition of a human being that is generally agreed upon.

You can play all the word games you want with definitions, meanings and interpretations in an effort to justify the k*****g of babies in the womb, but all you are doing is denying the t***h and devaluing human life. Apparently, you see pregnancy as a curse rather than a blessing.

A fetus in the womb is human, it is alive, it exists, therefore it is a being.

Scientific textbooks proclaim this fact. Keith L. Moore’s The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology (7th edition, Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003) states the following:

A zygote [fertilized egg] is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete … unites with a female gamete or oocyte … to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.

“Zygote” is a scientific term for the new life that is created when the sperm and the egg combine. “Oocyte” is another term for the egg cell, the cell released by woman’s ovary, which travels down the Fallopian tube and is fertilized by the male sperm.

The author of this scientific textbook, Keith L. Moore, is a world-renowned embryologist. He has written a number of definitive books on embryology, and his scientific knowledge and experience are vast and beyond reproach. Few medical students can complete their careers without studying from his textbooks.

Moore puts it even more plainly in Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology (7th edition, Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008, p. 2):

The zygote, formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being.

American College of Pediatricians: When Human Life Begins
The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins.

When Life Begins. What the experts say

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...this is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the c********e pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner, Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981

"An individual human life begins at conception when a sperm cell from the father fuses with an egg cell from the mother, to form a new cell, the zygote, the first embryonic stage. The zygote grows and divides into two daughter cells, each of which grows and divides into two grand-daughter cells, and this cell growth/division process continues on, over and over again. The zygote is the start of a biological continuum that automatically grows and develops, passing gradually and sequentially through the stages we call foetus, baby, child, adult, old person and ending eventually in death. The full genetic instructions to guide the development of the continuum, in interaction with its environment, are present in the zygote. Every stage along the continuum is biologically human and each point along the continuum has the full human properties appropriate to that point."
Dr. William Reville, University College Cork, Ireland. Quote from a letter to the Irish Independent.

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American Vet

JW wrote:

Of course it does, but the existence of a human being begins at birth. also, notice the word, 'predominance', it acknowledges that not every scientist agrees with that opinion.

I agree - there is a small minority (who believe otherwise.

So should we condone the murder of a human life because a minority of people believe it is OK?