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Oct 1, 2014 17:41:17   #
Yankee Clipper
 
Brian Devon wrote:
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Most of the evil done throughout human history has been done in the name of religion. Religion is just another means of control and used to its extreme is a bad as any other dictoral system, millions have died at religion's hands and millions more will soon follow the others to the grave. The Muslims will see to that. We once had a system that had the potential to overcome such actions but we have let it be slowly taken away. We are but a crisis from losing it all under the veil of unconstitutional laws. People have fought very hard to win the "God loves my side better than he loves your side" trophy for a long, long, time.

As H.G. Wells noted, the war technology keeps getting better even if the people don't.
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Oct 1, 2014 18:13:08   #
Nickolai
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Thanks for asking nicely, Brian.

1. You didn't comment at all on my use of "countervailing" powers.

2. Religious wars were waged under the "banner of God"--not necessarily "for" God. Just as they are today.
Nor in 2,000 years were as many people slaughtered as was done in the last 200 years. You can put it down to "advanced" weaponry, or even a greater population; nevertheless there was never the carnage previously as during the two world wars of the last century.

The notion of the "Greater Good" presupposes that the life of the individual is valueless, and one consequence is that those in power are prone to, perhaps, the use of those lives without conscience.
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Had mechanized weapons been available in antiquity there is no reason to believe that the carnage wouldn't have been as great. And I don't believe that the greater good presupposes that the individual is valueless. It depends on the context. In terms of war You are right. WW one was sold as the war to end all wars sacrificing lives with out conscience even using the process of drafting against the individuals will. The Greater good in terms of public services, caring for aged, or indigent, ect is an entirely different context

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Oct 2, 2014 13:13:09   #
CarolSeer2016
 
Nickolai wrote:
Had mechanized weapons been available in antiquity there is no reason to believe that the carnage wouldn't have been as great. And I don't believe that the greater good presupposes that the individual is valueless. It depends on the context. In terms of war You are right. WW one was sold as the war to end all wars sacrificing lives with out conscience even using the process of drafting against the individuals will. The Greater good in terms of public services, caring for aged, or indigent, ect is an entirely different context
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Two facts:

1. WWI wasn't sold as the "war to end all wars"; it was called that after the fact---

2. One problem (and there are so many I should have to write a book about it) with the "Greater Good" is who is to determine, not only who is the Greater Good, but what is best for that "Greater Good".
As I told BHO 5 years ago---"Who died and made YOU the determinator of the Greater Good?"

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Oct 2, 2014 13:23:59   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Decided to try to do the math--In World War II and the years leading up to it, perhaps about 5-10 years, with a low estimate of 20,000,000 deaths, I guess that's about 2,000.000--4,000,000 a year.

Now for 270,000,000 over 1000-1400 (not 2,000) years, let me see, if I divide 270,000,000 by 1,000 I get 270,000 per year or if I divide 270,000,000 by 2,000 I get 135,000 per year.
Not even close to 2-4 million per year!!

Maybe I made a mistake---it's totally mind-blowing!

Love your statements and find them fairly accurate. The numbers are shocking...and remind me of the National Debt we now have in the USA...

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Oct 2, 2014 13:27:24   #
CarolSeer2016
 
America Only wrote:
Love your statements and find them fairly accurate. The numbers are shocking...and remind me of the National Debt we now have in the USA...


Thanks. Common sense, mostly.

The National Debt--now that's a scary thought!

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Oct 2, 2014 13:28:16   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Nickolai wrote:
Had mechanized weapons been available in antiquity there is no reason to believe that the carnage wouldn't have been as great. And I don't believe that the greater good presupposes that the individual is valueless. It depends on the context. In terms of war You are right. WW one was sold as the war to end all wars sacrificing lives with out conscience even using the process of drafting against the individuals will. The Greater good in terms of public services, caring for aged, or indigent, ect is an entirely different context
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Nick! How's tricks?!? What is Stewart up to now? You two love birds getting along today? Got plenty of Geritol stocked up for the weekend do you? How about your supply of Poly Grip? Romantic plans to go out dancing with Stewart after you both attend your Gay Rights dinner where you are the speaker of honor? Very exciting plans you have. Keep us informed of how "smoothly" that everything went...

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Oct 2, 2014 13:30:30   #
CarolSeer2016
 
America Only wrote:
Nick! How's tricks?!? What is Stewart up to now? You two love birds getting along today? Got plenty of Geritol stocked up for the weekend do you? How about your supply of Poly Grip? Romantic plans to go out dancing with Stewart after you both attend your Gay Rights dinner where you are the speaker of honor? Very exciting plans you have. Keep us informed of how "smoothly" that everything went...


Go easy on Old Nick. I think he feels some guilt over making all that money in the capitalist company he owned. Shame on you, you greedy capitalist pig!

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Apr 14, 2015 16:23:50   #
CarolSeer2016
 
My reference to crony capitalism must be in another thread. I'll get that one out, too.

The reason Liberal-Progessive policies always result in crony capitalism, is that the preponderance of, even oppressive, regulations and rules, our Legislature, and now our overreaching executive, enact, causes otherwise competitive individuals and entities to become whinging, cringing sycophants lobbying for their own special interests subsidies and special regulations.

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Apr 14, 2015 16:27:21   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Both private property and religion act (or should act) as bulwarks against the power of government. (Stalin abolished both, as you know). Capitalism abandoned its role, as did religion, as a countervailing power to the "power of the sword" and the "power of the purse" when it became crony capitalism.

Mankind, throughout most of history (well, in the last 2 millenia, at least) has evolved some methods to curtail, limit and prevent a concentration of power, and its abuse. (The Investiture Controversy in the time of Charlemagne, and the Magna Carta are examples of some of the first attempts at limiting power.)

When the holders of property and the holders of knowledge, either scientific or religious, align with the sword and the purse, then power becomes concentrated and freedom vanishes.

Can you understand how Socialism and C*******m, products of 19th century philosophy, are particularly, and insidiously, dangerous in implementing a concentration of power? And in more than one way.

We are at that period in Mankind's history when it has become imperative that we learn how to govern ourselves. Unfortunately, and perhaps fatally so, BHO's latest perverted irrationality is that a concentration of power is inevitable. That is regressive, not progressive.

My young Vietnamese foreign exchange student told me she was taught that the problem with a democracy is that one man or group of men could obtain power. I replied that couldn't happen in American where we have the doctrine of separation of powers. But that now seems to be disappearing.

I'll end with this cautionary word:

More evil has been done in the name of the "Greater Good" in the last 200 years of human history than in the 2 millenia preceeding it."

Food for thought.
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Excellent post

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Apr 14, 2015 16:35:28   #
CarolSeer2016
 
hprinze wrote:
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Excellent post


Thank you. Thought we could all revisit.

But now, unfortunately I've missed my bus, and you all will have to bite the bullet because I'll be here another hour.

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Apr 30, 2015 16:19:45   #
CarolSeer2016
 
Need to revisit this, as there is some confusion on the part of Liberals as to how a concentration of power comes about. Well, that's the Libs who actually might dislike the concentration of power.

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Jan 6, 2016 12:16:54   #
CarolSeer2016
 
Bringing this back for 3J and others like him who seem to have forgotten where the abuse of executive power can lead.

By the way, how many of you were able to acknowledge that Obama isn't even a good actor? His tears yesterday....

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Jan 6, 2016 12:34:23   #
CarolSeer2016
 
Speaking of who died and made Obama the determinator of the Greater Good, here's another along that same line:

Who died and made these FBI bureaucrats (230, right?) the determinators of sanity or insanity?

If they have the sole right to make this determination, who's to say how they can politicize it, just as Obama did for the Conservatives: (from Wikipedia)

"IRS scandal" redirects here. For other scandals involving the IRS, see List of Internal Revenue Service political profiling controversies.

In 2013, the United States Internal Revenue Service (IRS) revealed that it had selected political groups applying for tax-exempt status for intensive scrutiny based on their names or political themes. This led to wide condemnation of the agency and triggered several investigations, including a Federal Bureau of Investigation criminal probe ordered by United States Attorney General Eric Holder.[1][2]

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Feb 19, 2016 15:59:55   #
CarolSeer2016
 
Thought we could revisit this post as America approaches the 2016 e******n.

People forget so easily.

I posted the first part of this on RT. I can't wait to see comments.

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Feb 26, 2016 14:12:05   #
CarolSeer2016
 
For the teenaged Bernie Sanders supporters.

Do you suppose they are capable of using their God-given faculty of rational thought, or can they only regurgitate their Socialist upbringing?

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