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Dec 16, 2021 18:47:52   #
woodguru
 
JW wrote:
We have to get in the fight, or we lose everything America stands for.

The book is called Smoke Screen?


The things the right seems to believe america stands for are all the wrong things...take trump for example, the most bloviated pompous i***t the country has ever had as president...and the right believes that is a good thing?

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Dec 16, 2021 18:51:13   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
woodguru wrote:
The things the right seems to believe america stands for are all the wrong things...take trump for example, the most bloviated pompous i***t the country has ever had as president...and the right believes that is a good thing?

▪️The Constitution
▪️The Bill of Rights
▪️The Federalist Papers

Maybe you’ve heard of these documents and someday you might be interested in reading them, studying them and understanding them. Maybe.

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Dec 16, 2021 19:00:16   #
AmericanEagle Loc: Indiana
 
JW wrote:
I lived in a very Right-wing town so most of my contacts were Right-wingers and I was politically active. One day, around 1983, I was asked by an associate, how could I possibly be a Liberal. I responded by saying, Republicans want to change what we are, Liberals want to change how we live.

At the time, the national establishment was decidedly pointing Right, but Nixon had left a bad taste and Reagan, (Ronald or Nancy, I was never sure which one was actually the President), were causing a Leftward shift.

It was many years later when I reevaluated my conclusion that there were indelibly drawn boundaries around the aspirations of the Right and the Left.

Today, I can safely say that it is the Right that wants to change how we live and the Left that wants to change what we are. How can that be?

In order to maintain power, the side in power must somehow cause its adherents, to think like they do. In order to gain power, the underdog must convince people that his side is open and accepting of everyone. once the power changes sides, so do the required tactics and the trends reverse. Acceptance and tolerance are affectations of power. They are not basic philosophies.

There are certain unassailable realities in life on this planet. One of them is that there will always be a struggle for power. That struggle follows a clear path; first, a social bond is formed; then, an elite group emerges; and finally, a single dominant figure seizes control.

Because the power to govern the USA is vested in the population by our Constitution, our path to that final step has been a vacillating pendulum with power passing back and forth in ever increasingly powerful cycles.

What I saw as political philosophies back in the 80s were really manifestations of the struggle for control of the country.

There comes a point at which one side or the other, faced with once more losing control of government, believes its advantage is such that it can successfully make its control permanent. We are at the point where the elite group has formed, and they believe that they can make their move to solidify permanent dominance.

Because of our Constitution, we have that intermediate step where power passes from the people to the elites. Without our Constitution, the elites exert control from inception, princes, dukes, etc. We have an alarm bell, so to speak. We can observe the shift to the elites and that gives us the chance to stop the political corrosion and reestablish the power to govern into the hands of the people.

There are only two questions that are germane at this point; are there sufficient numbers of people willing to do what is necessary to dispossess the elites making their power grab and do we have a leader capable of marshalling the forces necessary to accomplish the task?
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Well unfortunately the Democrats are shredding our constitution and just a drunk on power. They ignore the constitution, laws never apply to them and they have always been the party of double standards. Politics sucks and the two parties couldn’t be further apart. Today was social media and the lying liberal news media it seems as though we are doomed. Too many voices clogging up the airways, too many opinions and too many Hot button issues that really don’t mean a hill of beans in the scheme of things but yet they are tearing us apart.

The Democrats have always been the party of race and race baiters and relying on the b****s to v**e for them. This is always boggles my mind because it was a Lincoln freed the s***es, it was the Democrats that started the KKK yet majority of b****s v**e for the r****t party. They have never done anything for the black race compared to what Trump did for many races of people and the American people. He spoke honestly to them and said what the hell do you have to lose? He was right and he got more people off of food stamps, got rid of onerous government regulations and allowed the private sector to thrive. More people had better jobs to rise up the ladder and have a better way of life and pursue the American dream. Promises made, promises kept and then some.
Now the Democrats have gone so far left and are a combination of socialists, c*******t and totalitarians!
Trump wasn’t a perfect president and there has never been one. I supported Trump I got tired when he acted like a third grader which was charming in the beginning and funny but then it got old. I always said my biggest fear was Trump being Trump and ultimately that did him in in the end.

First time we achieve peace in the Middle East, we were becoming energy independent, the economy was thriving until China released the v***s to take him down.

Make no mistake we need a good house cleaning on both sides. I’m looking for a conservative Americans don’t want to put country above party and do what’s best for America. It will never happen but we need term limits otherwise nothing will ever change. They also would not get the golden parachute by getting the best benefits for life after office either. Serving the people should be a privilege but instead they think ruling the people is there rite!
Race relations have been sit back at least 50 years and Democrats have always played the race card because that’s all they have.

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Dec 16, 2021 19:40:03   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
JW wrote:
I'm sure my take is colored by my political leanings at the time as I am certain all are as well. I didn't dislike Conservative policies. I disliked what Reagan was doing. Like I said, as a spokesman for America, he was a phenomenal President. I thought that at the time as well. As a functioning executive, he was terrible. I think he was also very lucky that the USSR collapsed when it did. I credit him with a very small contribution to that outcome.


I have never doubted that there were other factors contributing to the disintegration of the Soviet Union. I think that Reagan's contribution was much greater than some give him credit for. I do believe that if Carter had been elected that none of what happened would have happened. I remember listening to Reagan's radio messages before the e******n or maybe even before he decided to run, and deciding that he would be the man for America. I have not changed that opinion.

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Dec 16, 2021 20:13:16   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
woodguru wrote:
The things the right seems to believe america stands for are all the wrong things...take trump for example, the most bloviated pompous i***t the country has ever had as president...and the right believes that is a good thing?


Let me comment on that, Woody. I don't think the Right stands for all the wrong things. If you could tell me what it is about the Biden administration that is good for America, I will listen. To date, I haven't heard any positive movements of this current administration. There are many who don't like Trump's personal life, as there have been many who didn't like the personal habits of former Presidents such as Clinton, even Kennedy, but they agree with the place America was during the Trump era. If, by the wrong things, you mean opposition to open borders, unlimited spending, high inflation, high crime, et al, then I think you possibly need to re-assess your criteria. In my book those are definitely worthy goals. You Democrats seem to get hung up on little things. We used to call that majoring in the minors. Do we believe the Trump presidency was a good thing. Definitely! It was a good thing. Who knows where we would have been if Hillary had been elected. We sort of like low unemployment, more jobs, respect of foreign countries, reduced crime etc. I would really like to hear a reasoned defense of the current i***tic policies of the current administration. Can you defend the low approval ratings of Biden/Harris? Can you defend the big increases of inflation? Can you defend the vast increases of i******s coming into our Country? And on and on. The rejection of Trump's policies and the acceptance of Biden's policies is something I will never understand.

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Dec 16, 2021 20:30:26   #
AmericanEagle Loc: Indiana
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Let me comment on that, Woody. I don't think the Right stands for all the wrong things. If you could tell me what it is about the Biden administration that is good for America, I will listen. To date, I haven't heard any positive movements of this current administration. There are many who don't like Trump's personal life, as there have been many who didn't like the personal habits of former Presidents such as Clinton, even Kennedy, but they agree with the place America was during the Trump era. If, by the wrong things, you mean opposition to open borders, unlimited spending, high inflation, high crime, et al, then I think you possibly need to re-assess your criteria. In my book those are definitely worthy goals. You Democrats seem to get hung up on little things. We used to call that majoring in the minors. Do we believe the Trump presidency was a good thing. Definitely! It was a good thing. Who knows where we would have been if Hillary had been elected. We sort of like low unemployment, more jobs, respect of foreign countries, reduced crime etc. I would really like to hear a reasoned defense of the current i***tic policies of the current administration. Can you defend the low approval ratings of Biden/Harris? Can you defend the big increases of inflation? Can you defend the vast increases of i******s coming into our Country? And on and on. The rejection of Trump's policies and the acceptance of Biden's policies is something I will never understand.
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Well one thing for sure is the Democrats own all of this 100%! They have the White House, the House and the Senate. They reversed all of Trumps policies and you see what has happened. Clearly it proves Trump was a great president for America. Truly Biden proves his being planted to the White house is an embarrassment for our country, a threat to our country and there’s a lot of buyers remorse for anybody that legitimately v**ed for this fool.

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Dec 16, 2021 20:32:02   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
AmericanEagle wrote:
Well one thing for sure is the Democrats on all of this 100%! They have the White House, the House and the Senate. They reversed all of trumps policies and he see what has happened. Clearly it proves Trump was a great president for America. Truly Biden proves his being planted to the White house is an embarrassment for our country, a threat to our country and there’s a lot of buyers remorse for anybody that legitimately v**ed for this fool.


Yes, but his supporters can see only their point of view.

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Dec 16, 2021 21:17:44   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
JW wrote:
I lived in a very Right-wing town so most of my contacts were Right-wingers and I was politically active. One day, around 1983, I was asked by an associate, how could I possibly be a Liberal. I responded by saying, Republicans want to change what we are, Liberals want to change how we live.

At the time, the national establishment was decidedly pointing Right, but Nixon had left a bad taste and Reagan, (Ronald or Nancy, I was never sure which one was actually the President), were causing a Leftward shift.

It was many years later when I reevaluated my conclusion that there were indelibly drawn boundaries around the aspirations of the Right and the Left.

Today, I can safely say that it is the Right that wants to change how we live and the Left that wants to change what we are. How can that be?

In order to maintain power, the side in power must somehow cause its adherents, to think like they do. In order to gain power, the underdog must convince people that his side is open and accepting of everyone. once the power changes sides, so do the required tactics and the trends reverse. Acceptance and tolerance are affectations of power. They are not basic philosophies.

There are certain unassailable realities in life on this planet. One of them is that there will always be a struggle for power. That struggle follows a clear path; first, a social bond is formed; then, an elite group emerges; and finally, a single dominant figure seizes control.

Because the power to govern the USA is vested in the population by our Constitution, our path to that final step has been a vacillating pendulum with power passing back and forth in ever increasingly powerful cycles.

What I saw as political philosophies back in the 80s were really manifestations of the struggle for control of the country.

There comes a point at which one side or the other, faced with once more losing control of government, believes its advantage is such that it can successfully make its control permanent. We are at the point where the elite group has formed, and they believe that they can make their move to solidify permanent dominance.

Because of our Constitution, we have that intermediate step where power passes from the people to the elites. Without our Constitution, the elites exert control from inception, princes, dukes, etc. We have an alarm bell, so to speak. We can observe the shift to the elites and that gives us the chance to stop the political corrosion and reestablish the power to govern into the hands of the people.

There are only two questions that are germane at this point; are there sufficient numbers of people willing to do what is necessary to dispossess the elites making their power grab and do we have a leader capable of marshalling the forces necessary to accomplish the task?
I lived in a very Right-wing town so most of my co... (show quote)

We have God on our side!

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Dec 16, 2021 21:30:55   #
AmericanMadeMary Loc: Small Town Iowa
 
JW wrote:
We have to get in the fight, or we lose everything America stands for.

The book is called Smoke Screen?


I agree and yes, that's the name of the book. It was inscribed and gifted by the author to my Great Grandfather (who apparently belonged to and financially contributed to the organization), and we just stumbled on it after moving into his 1910 home.
I looked and saw that there are a few copies avail out there on Amazon. What an eye-opener and makes you understand that when Trump said "Make America Great Again", he was trying to roll us back to pre-depression, pre-Roosevelt, pre-American Socialist Democrat party and THAT'S why the Left attacked him so fiercely.

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Dec 16, 2021 21:34:06   #
AmericanMadeMary Loc: Small Town Iowa
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
We have God on our side!


Yes, and God provides the shovel, but it is up to US to pick it up and start digging!

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Dec 16, 2021 21:58:38   #
AmericanMadeMary Loc: Small Town Iowa
 
woodguru wrote:
The things the right seems to believe america stands for are all the wrong things...take trump for example, the most bloviated pompous i***t the country has ever had as president...and the right believes that is a good thing?


Conservatives believe, and are correct in believing, that America stands for FREE ENTERPRISE of the People, not Socialist collectivism by the federal government. That's it. Everything else the politicans and media has us bickering about is nothing but a distraction from that fundamental foundation on which this country was founded and became the powerhouse it was until government went beyond it's limited enumerated powers GRANTED by the Constitution.
Free enterprise, or Marxist socialist collectivism...which do you believe is what America stands for?

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Dec 17, 2021 00:22:07   #
JW
 
JR-57 wrote:
What specifically was Reagan doing that you disliked?


Turning Oliver North into a hero, trading weapons for Iranian hostages, funding Nicaraguan rebels, blowing billions on the USS Missouri for no purpose...

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Dec 17, 2021 08:25:35   #
TruePatriot49 Loc: The Democratic People's Republic Rhode Island
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Let me comment on that, Woody. I don't think the Right stands for all the wrong things. If you could tell me what it is about the Biden administration that is good for America, I will listen. To date, I haven't heard any positive movements of this current administration. There are many who don't like Trump's personal life, as there have been many who didn't like the personal habits of former Presidents such as Clinton, even Kennedy, but they agree with the place America was during the Trump era. If, by the wrong things, you mean opposition to open borders, unlimited spending, high inflation, high crime, et al, then I think you possibly need to re-assess your criteria. In my book those are definitely worthy goals. You Democrats seem to get hung up on little things. We used to call that majoring in the minors. Do we believe the Trump presidency was a good thing. Definitely! It was a good thing. Who knows where we would have been if Hillary had been elected. We sort of like low unemployment, more jobs, respect of foreign countries, reduced crime etc. I would really like to hear a reasoned defense of the current i***tic policies of the current administration. Can you defend the low approval ratings of Biden/Harris? Can you defend the big increases of inflation? Can you defend the vast increases of i******s coming into our Country? And on and on. The rejection of Trump's policies and the acceptance of Biden's policies is something I will never understand.
Let me comment on that, Woody. I don't think the ... (show quote)



Bernie, the Democrats are mentally ill. The following items that F. Joe Biden caused will guarantee that they lose in 2022. They either don't care or they think We the People are too stupid to understand what they are doing to us.

High gas prices (getting higher every day)
Inflation
Loss of energy Independence
Higher taxes on the middle class
Higher food costs
V*****e tyranny with mask and v*****e
mandates
Ruling by Executive Orders (king?)
Supply chain FUBAR
Destroying the Military
Attempting to flood the country (mostly red
states) with replacement v**ers
(criminal aliens)
Failure to secure the E******n process

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Dec 17, 2021 09:02:01   #
AmericanEagle Loc: Indiana
 
General Flynn lays it out in great detail. People better wake up and stop this one world bulls**t before we are all sheep.
We have enough problems just beating back the Democrats that are systematically destroying our country along with the burn l**t murder movement and the bulls**t f**e r****t narrative🤮


https://headlineusa.com/michael-flynn-goes-live-w-epic-new-website/

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Dec 17, 2021 09:05:49   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
AmericanEagle wrote:
General Flynn lays it out in great detail. People better wake up and stop this one world bulls**t before we are all sheep.
We have enough problems just beating back the Democrats that are systematically destroying our country along with the burn l**t murder movement and the bulls**t f**e r****t narrative🤮


https://headlineusa.com/michael-flynn-goes-live-w-epic-new-website/

What do you think it will take for us to say enough and revolt? This will not be stopped through e******ns. They will continue to chip away as they have for the past 4-5 decades.

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