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Nov 28, 2021 12:06:17   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
I was watching some old westerns today and I realized that this movie sums up the discord between liberals, progressives, and conservatives.

Let me first focus on a part of the movie that concerns liberals and conservatives.

Dean Martin can be considered a liberal. and John Wayne a conservative. Just for fun here is their exchange.

Dean Martin (Dude): Chance, over here.
John Wayne (Chance): You look a little used
Dean Martin (Dude): What’d they do? I heard shooting.
John Wayne (Chance): They had me cold. Going to make me open the jail.
Dean Martin (Dude): What happened?
John Wayne (Chance): I didn’t have to. Colorado helped me.
Dean Martin (Dude): If you’d have had him here, this wouldn’t have happened. I can get up by myself. I let them get me. I let them walk right up and stick my head in the water trough… and it was easy for them. I’m good when I’m sober, boy, real good. I should have known better. A man ought to have sense enough to know when he’s no good no more.
John Wayne (Chance): Where’re you going?
Dean Martin (Dude): Get your hands off of me.
John Wayne (Chance): I said where’re you going?
Dean Martin (Dude): You’ve got no use for a man you can’t depend on. One bad night and I’m done for. An old man takes a pot shot at me and I’m finished. I tried and I tried hard and where did it get me? Look at me. I got them so bad. What can a man do with hands like that? I’m through. I quit, John, I quit.
John Wayne (Chance): All right, quit. Nobody’s trying to stop you. If you want to quit, quit. Go on back to the bottle, get drunk! One thing, though… Somebody throws a dollar in a spittoon, don’t expect me to do something about it. Just get down on your knees and go after it. (Dean Martin slaps John Wayne)
Dean Martin (Dude): I’m sorry.
John Wayne (Chance): “Sorry” don’t get it done, Dude. That’s the second time you hit me. Don’t ever do it again. Maybe your right. Maybe, you aren’t much good anymore. Here are your guns. Fellow that took your hat must have left this. You get something out of it Now come on down to the jail, and I’ll give you the money you got coming.
(…. later on, down at the jailhouse)
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): You telling me they was going to bring Chance in here to make me turn Joe loose? Why, they’re crazy. God darn fools. Chance brings in three strangers, tells me to unlock the door… … what do they think I’m going to do. You know what I’m going to do. I’m going to start blasting. Where’d you get that hat?
Dean Martin (Dude): Chance gave it to me. For a souvenir.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): For a what?
John Wayne (Chance) : Stumpy, we’re coming in.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Well, come ahead. See, he ain’t too proud to yell.
John Wayne (Chance): Stumpy, where do you keep the deputy sheriff badges?
Walter Brennon (Stumpy): In the right-hand drawer there. No! If you can’t take care of your own… don’t look for me to do it.
John Wayne (Chance): We’ll have to do without it. Raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear to take on the duties of a sheriff’s deputy…?
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Found yourself another knot-head who don’t know when he’s well off?
John Wayne (Chance): …. In the County of Presidio of the great State of Texas?
Ricky Nelson (Colorado): I do
John Wayne (Chance): And that includes taking orders from me.
Ricky Nelson (Colorado): All right, Sheriff. How about giving me one.
John Wayne (Chance): Get over to the hotel and pick up your stuff. Move in here. What are you laughing about?
Ricky Nelson (Colorado): What I got myself in for.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Cheerful about it anyways, ain’t he? How good do you think he is?
John Wayne (Chance): He’s all right
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): You think he’s as good as Wheeler said he was?
John Wayne (Chance): He threw me my gun while it was in the air, he got one of them. Then he got another one.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Good enough
Dean Martin (Dude): Is he as good as I used to be?
John Wayne (Chance): It’d be pretty close. I’d h**e to live on the difference.
Dean Martin (Dude): Then you got the best of it. Him for me.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): What’s he talking about, him for me? Nobody never tells me nothing around here.
John Wayne (Chance): He’s quitting
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): What’s got into you?
Dean Martin (Dude): (hands shaking) Look at me. Ain’t that pretty? Shaking worse all the time. What can a man do with hands like that? Tell me, what
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Take a drink! You said Chance told you to. You did, didn’t you Chance?
John Wayne (Chance): He can take the whole bottle.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Go ahead.
(Dude pours a shot from the bottle into a shot glass. Music begins to play from the hotel. Dude looks at the shot glass. Stumpy goes to close the jailhouse window)
Dean Martin (Dude): Stumpy…. Don’t close it.
(Dude pours the shot from the shot glass back into the bottle)
Dean Martin (Dude): Didn’t spill a drop. Shakes are gone… …just because of a piece of music. Till they played that piece, I forgot how I got into this thing. Keep on playing it I don’t think I’ll ever forget again. Chance, give me another shot at it…. …. Stumpy can take the bottle away.
John Wayne (Chance): You heard him.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Bring it out, put it back. Nobody ever asks me if I need a drink. I ain’t going to wait for them to ask me, because I do! You two are enough to drive a man to it.
Dean Martin (Dude): I think I’ll go watch the road again. Unless you need me for something else.
John Wayne (Chance): Do you forget this? (Handing Dude his gun and hat) You could clean up a little.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Yeah, you’re a heck of a looking deputy.
Dean Martin (Dude): I’m better than I look. I’ll do that tonight. If you think of it, send me some food. I think I could eat something.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Nothing in his stomach (Dude leaves the jail house) Nothing but guts. You can quit worrying about him and start thinking about me. We know about him, he’s going to be all right, but I ain’t. That got my goat. I can’t watch a man get down… Where’re you going?
John Wayne (Chance): To get Dude something to eat. And you’d better….
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): I know, get back in my hole.
John Wayne (Chance): No, you’d better watch out for Colorado when he comes back. I forgot to tell him how trigger-happy you are. We get a good man; he has to watch you to keep from getting shot full of holes. Close the window!
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Still talking about that little accident last night. Never can satisfy him.

Now ain't that American. No where else in the world can you have an exchange like this. I'll let this sink in then show the liberal and progressives, later in the same movie. These exchanges show that even liberals and conservatives can work together for a great future but there is no future sadly for the progressives.

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Nov 28, 2021 13:22:38   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
I was watching some old westerns today and I realized that this movie sums up the discord between liberals, progressives, and conservatives.

Let me first focus on a part of the movie that concerns liberals and conservatives.

Dean Martin can be considered a liberal. and John Wayne a conservative. Just for fun here is their exchange.

Dean Martin (Dude): Chance, over here.
John Wayne (Chance): You look a little used
Dean Martin (Dude): What’d they do? I heard shooting.
John Wayne (Chance): They had me cold. Going to make me open the jail.
Dean Martin (Dude): What happened?
John Wayne (Chance): I didn’t have to. Colorado helped me.
Dean Martin (Dude): If you’d have had him here, this wouldn’t have happened. I can get up by myself. I let them get me. I let them walk right up and stick my head in the water trough… and it was easy for them. I’m good when I’m sober, boy, real good. I should have known better. A man ought to have sense enough to know when he’s no good no more.
John Wayne (Chance): Where’re you going?
Dean Martin (Dude): Get your hands off of me.
John Wayne (Chance): I said where’re you going?
Dean Martin (Dude): You’ve got no use for a man you can’t depend on. One bad night and I’m done for. An old man takes a pot shot at me and I’m finished. I tried and I tried hard and where did it get me? Look at me. I got them so bad. What can a man do with hands like that? I’m through. I quit, John, I quit.
John Wayne (Chance): All right, quit. Nobody’s trying to stop you. If you want to quit, quit. Go on back to the bottle, get drunk! One thing, though… Somebody throws a dollar in a spittoon, don’t expect me to do something about it. Just get down on your knees and go after it. (Dean Martin slaps John Wayne)
Dean Martin (Dude): I’m sorry.
John Wayne (Chance): “Sorry” don’t get it done, Dude. That’s the second time you hit me. Don’t ever do it again. Maybe your right. Maybe, you aren’t much good anymore. Here are your guns. Fellow that took your hat must have left this. You get something out of it Now come on down to the jail, and I’ll give you the money you got coming.
(…. later on, down at the jailhouse)
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): You telling me they was going to bring Chance in here to make me turn Joe loose? Why, they’re crazy. God darn fools. Chance brings in three strangers, tells me to unlock the door… … what do they think I’m going to do. You know what I’m going to do. I’m going to start blasting. Where’d you get that hat?
Dean Martin (Dude): Chance gave it to me. For a souvenir.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): For a what?
John Wayne (Chance) : Stumpy, we’re coming in.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Well, come ahead. See, he ain’t too proud to yell.
John Wayne (Chance): Stumpy, where do you keep the deputy sheriff badges?
Walter Brennon (Stumpy): In the right-hand drawer there. No! If you can’t take care of your own… don’t look for me to do it.
John Wayne (Chance): We’ll have to do without it. Raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear to take on the duties of a sheriff’s deputy…?
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Found yourself another knot-head who don’t know when he’s well off?
John Wayne (Chance): …. In the County of Presidio of the great State of Texas?
Ricky Nelson (Colorado): I do
John Wayne (Chance): And that includes taking orders from me.
Ricky Nelson (Colorado): All right, Sheriff. How about giving me one.
John Wayne (Chance): Get over to the hotel and pick up your stuff. Move in here. What are you laughing about?
Ricky Nelson (Colorado): What I got myself in for.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Cheerful about it anyways, ain’t he? How good do you think he is?
John Wayne (Chance): He’s all right
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): You think he’s as good as Wheeler said he was?
John Wayne (Chance): He threw me my gun while it was in the air, he got one of them. Then he got another one.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Good enough
Dean Martin (Dude): Is he as good as I used to be?
John Wayne (Chance): It’d be pretty close. I’d h**e to live on the difference.
Dean Martin (Dude): Then you got the best of it. Him for me.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): What’s he talking about, him for me? Nobody never tells me nothing around here.
John Wayne (Chance): He’s quitting
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): What’s got into you?
Dean Martin (Dude): (hands shaking) Look at me. Ain’t that pretty? Shaking worse all the time. What can a man do with hands like that? Tell me, what
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Take a drink! You said Chance told you to. You did, didn’t you Chance?
John Wayne (Chance): He can take the whole bottle.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Go ahead.
(Dude pours a shot from the bottle into a shot glass. Music begins to play from the hotel. Dude looks at the shot glass. Stumpy goes to close the jailhouse window)
Dean Martin (Dude): Stumpy…. Don’t close it.
(Dude pours the shot from the shot glass back into the bottle)
Dean Martin (Dude): Didn’t spill a drop. Shakes are gone… …just because of a piece of music. Till they played that piece, I forgot how I got into this thing. Keep on playing it I don’t think I’ll ever forget again. Chance, give me another shot at it…. …. Stumpy can take the bottle away.
John Wayne (Chance): You heard him.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Bring it out, put it back. Nobody ever asks me if I need a drink. I ain’t going to wait for them to ask me, because I do! You two are enough to drive a man to it.
Dean Martin (Dude): I think I’ll go watch the road again. Unless you need me for something else.
John Wayne (Chance): Do you forget this? (Handing Dude his gun and hat) You could clean up a little.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Yeah, you’re a heck of a looking deputy.
Dean Martin (Dude): I’m better than I look. I’ll do that tonight. If you think of it, send me some food. I think I could eat something.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Nothing in his stomach (Dude leaves the jail house) Nothing but guts. You can quit worrying about him and start thinking about me. We know about him, he’s going to be all right, but I ain’t. That got my goat. I can’t watch a man get down… Where’re you going?
John Wayne (Chance): To get Dude something to eat. And you’d better….
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): I know, get back in my hole.
John Wayne (Chance): No, you’d better watch out for Colorado when he comes back. I forgot to tell him how trigger-happy you are. We get a good man; he has to watch you to keep from getting shot full of holes. Close the window!
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Still talking about that little accident last night. Never can satisfy him.

Now ain't that American. No where else in the world can you have an exchange like this. I'll let this sink in then show the liberal and progressives, later in the same movie. These exchanges show that even liberals and conservatives can work together for a great future but there is no future sadly for the progressives.
I was watching some old westerns today and I reali... (show quote)


In your opinion.

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Nov 30, 2021 07:16:53   #
Bassman65
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
I was watching some old westerns today and I realized that this movie sums up the discord between liberals, progressives, and conservatives.

Let me first focus on a part of the movie that concerns liberals and conservatives.

Dean Martin can be considered a liberal. and John Wayne a conservative. Just for fun here is their exchange.

Dean Martin (Dude): Chance, over here.
John Wayne (Chance): You look a little used
Dean Martin (Dude): What’d they do? I heard shooting.
John Wayne (Chance): They had me cold. Going to make me open the jail.
Dean Martin (Dude): What happened?
John Wayne (Chance): I didn’t have to. Colorado helped me.
Dean Martin (Dude): If you’d have had him here, this wouldn’t have happened. I can get up by myself. I let them get me. I let them walk right up and stick my head in the water trough… and it was easy for them. I’m good when I’m sober, boy, real good. I should have known better. A man ought to have sense enough to know when he’s no good no more.
John Wayne (Chance): Where’re you going?
Dean Martin (Dude): Get your hands off of me.
John Wayne (Chance): I said where’re you going?
Dean Martin (Dude): You’ve got no use for a man you can’t depend on. One bad night and I’m done for. An old man takes a pot shot at me and I’m finished. I tried and I tried hard and where did it get me? Look at me. I got them so bad. What can a man do with hands like that? I’m through. I quit, John, I quit.
John Wayne (Chance): All right, quit. Nobody’s trying to stop you. If you want to quit, quit. Go on back to the bottle, get drunk! One thing, though… Somebody throws a dollar in a spittoon, don’t expect me to do something about it. Just get down on your knees and go after it. (Dean Martin slaps John Wayne)
Dean Martin (Dude): I’m sorry.
John Wayne (Chance): “Sorry” don’t get it done, Dude. That’s the second time you hit me. Don’t ever do it again. Maybe your right. Maybe, you aren’t much good anymore. Here are your guns. Fellow that took your hat must have left this. You get something out of it Now come on down to the jail, and I’ll give you the money you got coming.
(…. later on, down at the jailhouse)
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): You telling me they was going to bring Chance in here to make me turn Joe loose? Why, they’re crazy. God darn fools. Chance brings in three strangers, tells me to unlock the door… … what do they think I’m going to do. You know what I’m going to do. I’m going to start blasting. Where’d you get that hat?
Dean Martin (Dude): Chance gave it to me. For a souvenir.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): For a what?
John Wayne (Chance) : Stumpy, we’re coming in.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Well, come ahead. See, he ain’t too proud to yell.
John Wayne (Chance): Stumpy, where do you keep the deputy sheriff badges?
Walter Brennon (Stumpy): In the right-hand drawer there. No! If you can’t take care of your own… don’t look for me to do it.
John Wayne (Chance): We’ll have to do without it. Raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear to take on the duties of a sheriff’s deputy…?
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Found yourself another knot-head who don’t know when he’s well off?
John Wayne (Chance): …. In the County of Presidio of the great State of Texas?
Ricky Nelson (Colorado): I do
John Wayne (Chance): And that includes taking orders from me.
Ricky Nelson (Colorado): All right, Sheriff. How about giving me one.
John Wayne (Chance): Get over to the hotel and pick up your stuff. Move in here. What are you laughing about?
Ricky Nelson (Colorado): What I got myself in for.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Cheerful about it anyways, ain’t he? How good do you think he is?
John Wayne (Chance): He’s all right
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): You think he’s as good as Wheeler said he was?
John Wayne (Chance): He threw me my gun while it was in the air, he got one of them. Then he got another one.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Good enough
Dean Martin (Dude): Is he as good as I used to be?
John Wayne (Chance): It’d be pretty close. I’d h**e to live on the difference.
Dean Martin (Dude): Then you got the best of it. Him for me.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): What’s he talking about, him for me? Nobody never tells me nothing around here.
John Wayne (Chance): He’s quitting
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): What’s got into you?
Dean Martin (Dude): (hands shaking) Look at me. Ain’t that pretty? Shaking worse all the time. What can a man do with hands like that? Tell me, what
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Take a drink! You said Chance told you to. You did, didn’t you Chance?
John Wayne (Chance): He can take the whole bottle.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Go ahead.
(Dude pours a shot from the bottle into a shot glass. Music begins to play from the hotel. Dude looks at the shot glass. Stumpy goes to close the jailhouse window)
Dean Martin (Dude): Stumpy…. Don’t close it.
(Dude pours the shot from the shot glass back into the bottle)
Dean Martin (Dude): Didn’t spill a drop. Shakes are gone… …just because of a piece of music. Till they played that piece, I forgot how I got into this thing. Keep on playing it I don’t think I’ll ever forget again. Chance, give me another shot at it…. …. Stumpy can take the bottle away.
John Wayne (Chance): You heard him.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Bring it out, put it back. Nobody ever asks me if I need a drink. I ain’t going to wait for them to ask me, because I do! You two are enough to drive a man to it.
Dean Martin (Dude): I think I’ll go watch the road again. Unless you need me for something else.
John Wayne (Chance): Do you forget this? (Handing Dude his gun and hat) You could clean up a little.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Yeah, you’re a heck of a looking deputy.
Dean Martin (Dude): I’m better than I look. I’ll do that tonight. If you think of it, send me some food. I think I could eat something.
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Nothing in his stomach (Dude leaves the jail house) Nothing but guts. You can quit worrying about him and start thinking about me. We know about him, he’s going to be all right, but I ain’t. That got my goat. I can’t watch a man get down… Where’re you going?
John Wayne (Chance): To get Dude something to eat. And you’d better….
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): I know, get back in my hole.
John Wayne (Chance): No, you’d better watch out for Colorado when he comes back. I forgot to tell him how trigger-happy you are. We get a good man; he has to watch you to keep from getting shot full of holes. Close the window!
Walter Brennen (Stumpy): Still talking about that little accident last night. Never can satisfy him.

Now ain't that American. No where else in the world can you have an exchange like this. I'll let this sink in then show the liberal and progressives, later in the same movie. These exchanges show that even liberals and conservatives can work together for a great future but there is no future sadly for the progressives.
I was watching some old westerns today and I reali... (show quote)


That’s classic

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