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Nov 23, 2021 12:57:38   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
lpnmajor wrote:
The jury in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial followed the law, which was proper. Juror's should not be influenced by media coverage, social media content, or public sentiment, but by the applicable laws and the evidence presented by both sides in court. I'm sure this event will be visited time and time again for the foreseeable future.

What I found striking in this case, was what was not examined. Who encouraged Kyle to go there with a weapon? Why did his parent(s) think it was a good idea? Why were the other armed people not attacked by protestors? Why was Kyle the only armed person to fire his weapon at protestors? What person in their right mind thinks that a 17 year old boy has the maturity handle such a situation?

I'm assuming that someone will immediately mention Military Personnel that are nearly the same age, and who go armed into situations. Here are the glaring differences;

Kyle did not have the advantage of basic training, did not have the added advantage of advanced training, did not have the supervision of NCO's and was not given any rules of engagement. Kyle was on his own.

Kyle should not have been on trial - his parent(s) should have been on trial for piss poor judgement, they're supposed to know better. Who ever arranged for the armed posse and recruited Kyle should have been on trial, for not having sense enough to know that a 17 year old was not equipped to handle such a situation. The Kenoshe PD should have been on trial, for abrogating their sworn duty. Lastly, the protestors should have been on trial for starting the violence in the first place.

Being stupid is not against the law, Kyle was EXPECTED to be stupid, it is written into the DNA of every teen aged boy on the planet. The adults in the room let that boy down....................bigly.
The jury in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial followed th... (show quote)




I have one, even more, basic question. Why were the cops doing nothing to stop that r**ting?

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Nov 23, 2021 13:08:47   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I have one, even more, basic question. Why were the cops doing nothing to stop that r**ting?


True story that! Rittenhouse went to the cops and told them he had just shot someone. He was told to go home. He was carrying an AR-15. Like, whaaaaaa????

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Nov 23, 2021 13:36:20   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
lpnmajor wrote:
The jury in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial followed the law, which was proper. Juror's should not be influenced by media coverage, social media content, or public sentiment, but by the applicable laws and the evidence presented by both sides in court. I'm sure this event will be visited time and time again for the foreseeable future.

What I found striking in this case, was what was not examined. Who encouraged Kyle to go there with a weapon? Why did his parent(s) think it was a good idea? Why were the other armed people not attacked by protestors? Why was Kyle the only armed person to fire his weapon at protestors? What person in their right mind thinks that a 17 year old boy has the maturity handle such a situation?

I'm assuming that someone will immediately mention Military Personnel that are nearly the same age, and who go armed into situations. Here are the glaring differences;

Kyle did not have the advantage of basic training, did not have the added advantage of advanced training, did not have the supervision of NCO's and was not given any rules of engagement. Kyle was on his own.

Kyle should not have been on trial - his parent(s) should have been on trial for piss poor judgement, they're supposed to know better. Who ever arranged for the armed posse and recruited Kyle should have been on trial, for not having sense enough to know that a 17 year old was not equipped to handle such a situation. The Kenoshe PD should have been on trial, for abrogating their sworn duty. Lastly, the protestors should have been on trial for starting the violence in the first place.

Being stupid is not against the law, Kyle was EXPECTED to be stupid, it is written into the DNA of every teen aged boy on the planet. The adults in the room let that boy down....................bigly.
The jury in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial followed th... (show quote)


I understand your point of view and especially the question, "What is a teen doing there in the first place with a weapon?" And if you do raise a good point that the parents should have been on trial. I get that but in a topic I wrote, I ask similar questions.

First of all, why were the r****rs there? Was it a protest? If it was why were the r****rs armed? Americans are amazing people. We stand up for other Americans and it is true that some of the young don't understand the principle of if you have an opportunity to do right, you have a duty to do right.

But without such opportunity we must just follow the law. But this point is a farce when the burden of doing so is damaging. Therefore, a protest is justified. But violence is never justified. An argument or debate should be focused on the topic at hand and not be turned on the character of a person. Harvard rules on debate.

So protests are justified until those who decide, make thier decision. To protest is not to k**l. With that being said, protestors not r****rs are lawful. But with protesting comes an element of fear. If that fear is kept in check, then there is no violence. However, when that fear gets out of hand then violence follows.

So when the protest turned into a r**t, people fearing the destruction of both self and property, these people seek help. One great question that was not answered is why did Kyle only fire four shots total? He was in fear for his life, yet only used enough force to neutralize threats towards his life, when the crowd was seeking to k**l him.

Which brings into question his training. What kind of training did he have? It is assumed that he had no training but considering the circumstances he did everything right. So what training did he have? One can argue that his parents raised him correctly. But how did they do that?

Kyle may have been found innocent of murder but to Kyle he has to live with the people that he k**led. And like a soldier in combat, he suffers from PTSD. So did he really win or did he just survive?

As far as his youth which is very discriminating, know that other youths grew up quickly because of harsh disturbing circumstances. For this reason, Shakespeare who himself a youth wrote, "all is fair in love and war" however when the tragedy comes to pass Shakespeare writes, "all is punished" and this is an example of those philosophical words of Shakespeare.

So with the police armed not doing their sworn duty, and the r****rs being armed, the citizens being armed are you not surprised that this tragedy would not happen? All the elements of tragedy were in place and it came to be.

The prosecution already questioned that a stray bullet could have k**led an innocent. However that did not happen. As a result there are those marveling over the trigger control of the young man, while others claim him to be a murderer yet the reality of the tragedy is that Kyle was stronger than the evil posed against him and that evil attempted to take his life.

Why was Kyle attacked? And no one else? Kyle was perceived to be weak. Politicians, media outlets and even his assailants perceived him to be weak. And evil does not attack the strong but the weak. Then after evil wins they blame the weak. We have seen this over and over again.

Putting aside all politics of the situation we have a person because of his youth perceived as weak defending himself. But in the fire gold was tested. First, in defense of his life then in defense of his right to self defense. Kyle was right when he said self defense was on trial.

Are not our children p***eful of our community? Are not our children raised by good and bad parents? Are there not teens who seek defense of thier communities?

When the facts of Billy the kid finally came out, we find the fact that Billy was part of a m*****a group called regulators. Who were a security force of the English man in Irish controlled New Mexico. Was it not the Irish who turned Billy into a k**ler? Billy was a teenager too not too much younger than Kyle when the Englishman was k**led.

Because of the r**ts Kyle could have turned k**ler like Billy. However, did he?

Look closer at Jesse James, did he not seek to protect his community? Jesse was not too much older than Kyle.

We must be careful when handling these situations. Neither Kyle, Billy, not Jesse should have come to be. If the "adults" would have done what they should have. But when the police don't do their job, then something has to fill the vacuum, and thus all are punished.

The rule of law, is the ounce of prevention that stops the tragedy that calls for the cure. Any rational person would come to the conclusion that Kyle should not have been there, however since he was there, his actions were the result of the evil element who also was there.

I hope that Kyle can live in peace from this day forward. But history and experience has shown forth that evil will seek revenge. Thus, the fear is still there.

Promises were given to both Jesse and Billy yet the revenge and blood lust were too powerful which ended with the death of both 'outlaws', I hope Kyle is not labeled as an 'outlaw' but the blood lust is real and is unwarranted.

Those to blame is not the child, Kyle, but the adults seeking violence to make a point. Sandman and Kyle have stood up against the ignorance and more will follow. Will the media continue to turn these fine young Americans into outlaws? Or will the adults, come to their senses, by ending and preventing these violent acts of ignorance and debate the true issues instead of resorting to violence?

The day we are known as Americans and not black-, white-, brown-, yellow- Americans, then we will truly be free.

What happened to We are the world?

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Nov 23, 2021 13:47:49   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
I understand your point of view and especially the question, "What is a teen doing there in the first place with a weapon?" And if you do raise a good point that the parents should have been on trial. I get that but in a topic I wrote, I ask similar questions.

First of all, why were the r****rs there? Was it a protest? If it was why were the r****rs armed? Americans are amazing people. We stand up for other Americans and it is true that some of the young don't understand the principle of if you have an opportunity to do right, you have a duty to do right.

But without such opportunity we must just follow the law. But this point is a farce when the burden of doing so is damaging. Therefore, a protest is justified. But violence is never justified. An argument or debate should be focused on the topic at hand and not be turned on the character of a person. Harvard rules on debate.

So protests are justified until those who decide, make thier decision. To protest is not to k**l. With that being said, protestors not r****rs are lawful. But with protesting comes an element of fear. If that fear is kept in check, then there is no violence. However, when that fear gets out of hand then violence follows.

So when the protest turned into a r**t, people fearing the destruction of both self and property, these people seek help. One great question that was not answered is why did Kyle only fire four shots total? He was in fear for his life, yet only used enough force to neutralize threats towards his life, when the crowd was seeking to k**l him.

Which brings into question his training. What kind of training did he have? It is assumed that he had no training but considering the circumstances he did everything right. So what training did he have? One can argue that his parents raised him correctly. But how did they do that?

Kyle may have been found innocent of murder but to Kyle he has to live with the people that he k**led. And like a soldier in combat, he suffers from PTSD. So did he really win or did he just survive?

As far as his youth which is very discriminating, know that other youths grew up quickly because of harsh disturbing circumstances. For this reason, Shakespeare who himself a youth wrote, "all is fair in love and war" however when the tragedy comes to pass Shakespeare writes, "all is punished" and this is an example of those philosophical words of Shakespeare.

So with the police armed not doing their sworn duty, and the r****rs being armed, the citizens being armed are you not surprised that this tragedy would not happen? All the elements of tragedy were in place and it came to be.

The prosecution already questioned that a stray bullet could have k**led an innocent. However that did not happen. As a result there are those marveling over the trigger control of the young man, while others claim him to be a murderer yet the reality of the tragedy is that Kyle was stronger than the evil posed against him and that evil attempted to take his life.

Why was Kyle attacked? And no one else? Kyle was perceived to be weak. Politicians, media outlets and even his assailants perceived him to be weak. And evil does not attack the strong but the weak. Then after evil wins they blame the weak. We have seen this over and over again.

Putting aside all politics of the situation we have a person because of his youth perceived as weak defending himself. But in the fire gold was tested. First, in defense of his life then in defense of his right to self defense. Kyle was right when he said self defense was on trial.

Are not our children p***eful of our community? Are not our children raised by good and bad parents? Are there not teens who seek defense of thier communities?

When the facts of Billy the kid finally came out, we find the fact that Billy was part of a m*****a group called regulators. Who were a security force of the English man in Irish controlled New Mexico. Was it not the Irish who turned Billy into a k**ler? Billy was a teenager too not too much younger than Kyle when the Englishman was k**led.

Because of the r**ts Kyle could have turned k**ler like Billy. However, did he?

Look closer at Jesse James, did he not seek to protect his community? Jesse was not too much older than Kyle.

We must be careful when handling these situations. Neither Kyle, Billy, not Jesse should have come to be. If the "adults" would have done what they should have. But when the police don't do their job, then something has to fill the vacuum, and thus all are punished.

The rule of law, is the ounce of prevention that stops the tragedy that calls for the cure. Any rational person would come to the conclusion that Kyle should not have been there, however since he was there, his actions were the result of the evil element who also was there.

I hope that Kyle can live in peace from this day forward. But history and experience has shown forth that evil will seek revenge. Thus, the fear is still there.

Promises were given to both Jesse and Billy yet the revenge and blood lust were too powerful which ended with the death of both 'outlaws', I hope Kyle is not labeled as an 'outlaw' but the blood lust is real and is unwarranted.

Those to blame is not the child, Kyle, but the adults seeking violence to make a point. Sandman and Kyle have stood up against the ignorance and more will follow. Will the media continue to turn these fine young Americans into outlaws? Or will the adults, come to their senses, by ending and preventing these violent acts of ignorance and debate the true issues instead of resorting to violence?

The day we are known as Americans and not black-, white-, brown-, yellow- Americans, then we will truly be free.

What happened to We are the world?
I understand your point of view and especially the... (show quote)



Nice analysis, Ranger. Very logical. It would be nice if the media, and our President, could take the time for that kind of careful analysis.

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Nov 23, 2021 13:55:15   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Nice analysis, Ranger. Very logical. It would be nice if the media, and our President, could take the time for that kind of careful analysis.


When searching for wisdom, it is necessary to be open minded to all points of view, showing the history which we all share.

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Nov 23, 2021 17:11:10   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
[quote=lpnmajor]The jury in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial followed the law, which was proper. Juror's should not be influenced by media coverage, social media content, or public sentiment, but by the applicable laws and the evidence presented by both sides in court. I'm sure this event will be visited time and time again for the foreseeable future.

Fortunately, they had no childish i***ts on the jury.

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Nov 23, 2021 17:48:17   #
1percenter
 
lpnmajor wrote:
The jury in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial followed the law, which was proper. Juror's should not be influenced by media coverage, social media content, or public sentiment, but by the applicable laws and the evidence presented by both sides in court. I'm sure this event will be visited time and time again for the foreseeable future.

What I found striking in this case, was what was not examined. Who encouraged Kyle to go there with a weapon? Why did his parent(s) think it was a good idea? Why were the other armed people not attacked by protestors? Why was Kyle the only armed person to fire his weapon at protestors? What person in their right mind thinks that a 17 year old boy has the maturity handle such a situation?

I'm assuming that someone will immediately mention Military Personnel that are nearly the same age, and who go armed into situations. Here are the glaring differences;

Kyle did not have the advantage of basic training, did not have the added advantage of advanced training, did not have the supervision of NCO's and was not given any rules of engagement. Kyle was on his own.

Kyle should not have been on trial - his parent(s) should have been on trial for piss poor judgement, they're supposed to know better. Who ever arranged for the armed posse and recruited Kyle should have been on trial, for not having sense enough to know that a 17 year old was not equipped to handle such a situation. The Kenoshe PD should have been on trial, for abrogating their sworn duty. Lastly, the protestors should have been on trial for starting the violence in the first place.

Being stupid is not against the law, Kyle was EXPECTED to be stupid, it is written into the DNA of every teen aged boy on the planet. The adults in the room let that boy down....................bigly.
The jury in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial followed th... (show quote)



“Why were other armed people not attacked by protesters?” Rosenbaum sought out and attacked Rittenhouse.

Perhaps Rosenbaum, the convicted child rapist, recognized Rittenhouse was a minor and could not control his lust… plus the minor extinguished Rosenbaums’s dumpster fire.

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