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Nov 22, 2021 01:23:23 #
LogicallyRight (a regular here) (online) Joined: Mar 7, 2020 Posts: 4487 Loc: Chicago

The people of the world are going to have to stand up to the politicians who are going against sound, reasoned, medical advice, and mandating shots for everyone down to little children.

This might be a good and necessary action if C***d were a real terror, but it just doesn't rise to that level. Yes, it is bad, but survivable.

This might be good advice of the v*****es were what was promised in the early days, but they are major failures. They might need a life time of boosters just to stay half way successful. And they aren't. They don't v******te against C***d. They are some help for some people when they get C***d, but people are still dying, even with the v*****e.

These v*****es might be good advice of they weren't so damn dangerous to just get a shot. Over 800,000 severe reactions and over 18,000 deaths in America alone. And that is for people who weren't sick with C***d in the first place.

These v*****es had more bad reactions then all of the other v*****es ever created. Total. Any other v*****e with such a bad record and so comparatively little deaths and hospitalizations would have been pulled in weeks.

These v*****es are leaving the v******ted in weakened immune states where people will be more and more susceptible to other serious diseases, and might lead to death in a few years.

And remember, it was the politicians that stood in the way of good therapies for C***d that are/were working. They stood in the way of studies backing these treatments, while offering medicines and therapies that were virtual death sentences.

The people of the world need to protest and just say "NO" and get rid of those leaders that would mandate this madness on them. Not the usual trouble makers like we saw at B*M and a****a, but real citizens, the good people of America and the world, Peacefully, but larger and larger crowds insistently demanding free choice on taking experimental drugs. No demands, or mandates, or passports, ANYWHERE.

And remember as you protest, these police and military troops sent to push you around, or corral you, or intimidate you, are still your neighbors. Just peacefully refuse to back down. Talk to them, but never shout at them. The enemy is the politicians who say they are doing this or that for our protection. No good politician does that. They are the evil, along with the pharmaceutical industry making big money, and the doctors and researchers in their pockets. There are more and more Doctors and Nurses and Virologists standing up against these bad v*****es every day. Know the good guys from the bad guys and stop them from this mass genocide. And remember, quietly but with firmness, remind these troops and police that they don't have to obey bad laws. They have no right to force peaceful citizens, protesting peacefully, but firmly, to back off. They have a family to go home to also, your neighbors. They are not the politicians last line of defense. They are our last line of defense.

Logically Right

Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!

LogicallyRight wrote:

Nov 22, 2021 01:23:23 #
LogicallyRight (a regular here) (online) Joined: Mar 7, 2020 Posts: 4487 Loc: Chicago

The people of the world are going to have to stand up to the politicians who are going against sound, reasoned, medical advice, and mandating shots for everyone down to little children.

This might be a good and necessary action if C***d were a real terror, but it just doesn't rise to that level. Yes, it is bad, but survivable.

This might be good advice of the v*****es were what was promised in the early days, but they are major failures. They might need a life time of boosters just to stay half way successful. And they aren't. They don't v******te against C***d. They are some help for some people when they get C***d, but people are still dying, even with the v*****e.

These v*****es might be good advice of they weren't so damn dangerous to just get a shot. Over 800,000 severe reactions and over 18,000 deaths in America alone. And that is for people who weren't sick with C***d in the first place.

These v*****es had more bad reactions then all of the other v*****es ever created. Total. Any other v*****e with such a bad record and so comparatively little deaths and hospitalizations would have been pulled in weeks.

These v*****es are leaving the v******ted in weakened immune states where people will be more and more susceptible to other serious diseases, and might lead to death in a few years.

And remember, it was the politicians that stood in the way of good therapies for C***d that are/were working. They stood in the way of studies backing these treatments, while offering medicines and therapies that were virtual death sentences.

The people of the world need to protest and just say "NO" and get rid of those leaders that would mandate this madness on them. Not the usual trouble makers like we saw at B*M and a****a, but real citizens, the good people of America and the world, Peacefully, but larger and larger crowds insistently demanding free choice on taking experimental drugs. No demands, or mandates, or passports, ANYWHERE.

And remember as you protest, these police and military troops sent to push you around, or corral you, or intimidate you, are still your neighbors. Just peacefully refuse to back down. Talk to them, but never shout at them. The enemy is the politicians who say they are doing this or that for our protection. No good politician does that. They are the evil, along with the pharmaceutical industry making big money, and the doctors and researchers in their pockets. There are more and more Doctors and Nurses and Virologists standing up against these bad v*****es every day. Know the good guys from the bad guys and stop them from this mass genocide. And remember, quietly but with firmness, remind these troops and police that they don't have to obey bad laws. They have no right to force peaceful citizens, protesting peacefully, but firmly, to back off. They have a family to go home to also, your neighbors. They are not the politicians last line of defense. They are our last line of defense.

Logically Right

Nov 22, 2021 01:23:23 # br LogicallyRight (a reg... (show quote)

Very well said.

nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert

LogicallyRight wrote:

Nov 22, 2021 01:23:23 #
LogicallyRight (a regular here) (online) Joined: Mar 7, 2020 Posts: 4487 Loc: Chicago

The people of the world are going to have to stand up to the politicians who are going against sound, reasoned, medical advice, and mandating shots for everyone down to little children.

This might be a good and necessary action if C***d were a real terror, but it just doesn't rise to that level. Yes, it is bad, but survivable.

This might be good advice of the v*****es were what was promised in the early days, but they are major failures. They might need a life time of boosters just to stay half way successful. And they aren't. They don't v******te against C***d. They are some help for some people when they get C***d, but people are still dying, even with the v*****e.

These v*****es might be good advice of they weren't so damn dangerous to just get a shot. Over 800,000 severe reactions and over 18,000 deaths in America alone. And that is for people who weren't sick with C***d in the first place.

These v*****es had more bad reactions then all of the other v*****es ever created. Total. Any other v*****e with such a bad record and so comparatively little deaths and hospitalizations would have been pulled in weeks.

These v*****es are leaving the v******ted in weakened immune states where people will be more and more susceptible to other serious diseases, and might lead to death in a few years.

And remember, it was the politicians that stood in the way of good therapies for C***d that are/were working. They stood in the way of studies backing these treatments, while offering medicines and therapies that were virtual death sentences.

The people of the world need to protest and just say "NO" and get rid of those leaders that would mandate this madness on them. Not the usual trouble makers like we saw at B*M and a****a, but real citizens, the good people of America and the world, Peacefully, but larger and larger crowds insistently demanding free choice on taking experimental drugs. No demands, or mandates, or passports, ANYWHERE.

And remember as you protest, these police and military troops sent to push you around, or corral you, or intimidate you, are still your neighbors. Just peacefully refuse to back down. Talk to them, but never shout at them. The enemy is the politicians who say they are doing this or that for our protection. No good politician does that. They are the evil, along with the pharmaceutical industry making big money, and the doctors and researchers in their pockets. There are more and more Doctors and Nurses and Virologists standing up against these bad v*****es every day. Know the good guys from the bad guys and stop them from this mass genocide. And remember, quietly but with firmness, remind these troops and police that they don't have to obey bad laws. They have no right to force peaceful citizens, protesting peacefully, but firmly, to back off. They have a family to go home to also, your neighbors. They are not the politicians last line of defense. They are our last line of defense.

Logically Right

Nov 22, 2021 01:23:23 # br LogicallyRight (a reg... (show quote)

I agree. All the politicians pushing the mandate should be held accountable . Also F***i and the big pharma executives for creating this mess to begin with.
The v*****es should be pulled out of circulation since it was Emergency use only . It's autherazation should have expired now that at least 4 safer cures have been found to be effective making the jab unnecessary. Any one still forcing the jab has got an evil agenda they are working on. If they followed the science, they would have never mandated kids to get shots. Maybe c*********d children but not the whole school. Same with adults.
Herd immunity would have kicked in by now if no one was v******ted but the v****d are c*********d by the v*****e. Lockdowns done nothing but hurt the economy . I h**e to say it but masks and good hygiene helped the most. Again. Not for every one but if worn right and not made in china they did help some

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

LogicallyRight wrote:

Nov 22, 2021 01:23:23 #
LogicallyRight (a regular here) (online) Joined: Mar 7, 2020 Posts: 4487 Loc: Chicago

The people of the world are going to have to stand up to the politicians who are going against sound, reasoned, medical advice, and mandating shots for everyone down to little children.

This might be a good and necessary action if C***d were a real terror, but it just doesn't rise to that level. Yes, it is bad, but survivable.

This might be good advice of the v*****es were what was promised in the early days, but they are major failures. They might need a life time of boosters just to stay half way successful. And they aren't. They don't v******te against C***d. They are some help for some people when they get C***d, but people are still dying, even with the v*****e.

These v*****es might be good advice of they weren't so damn dangerous to just get a shot. Over 800,000 severe reactions and over 18,000 deaths in America alone. And that is for people who weren't sick with C***d in the first place.

These v*****es had more bad reactions then all of the other v*****es ever created. Total. Any other v*****e with such a bad record and so comparatively little deaths and hospitalizations would have been pulled in weeks.

These v*****es are leaving the v******ted in weakened immune states where people will be more and more susceptible to other serious diseases, and might lead to death in a few years.

And remember, it was the politicians that stood in the way of good therapies for C***d that are/were working. They stood in the way of studies backing these treatments, while offering medicines and therapies that were virtual death sentences.

The people of the world need to protest and just say "NO" and get rid of those leaders that would mandate this madness on them. Not the usual trouble makers like we saw at B*M and a****a, but real citizens, the good people of America and the world, Peacefully, but larger and larger crowds insistently demanding free choice on taking experimental drugs. No demands, or mandates, or passports, ANYWHERE.

And remember as you protest, these police and military troops sent to push you around, or corral you, or intimidate you, are still your neighbors. Just peacefully refuse to back down. Talk to them, but never shout at them. The enemy is the politicians who say they are doing this or that for our protection. No good politician does that. They are the evil, along with the pharmaceutical industry making big money, and the doctors and researchers in their pockets. There are more and more Doctors and Nurses and Virologists standing up against these bad v*****es every day. Know the good guys from the bad guys and stop them from this mass genocide. And remember, quietly but with firmness, remind these troops and police that they don't have to obey bad laws. They have no right to force peaceful citizens, protesting peacefully, but firmly, to back off. They have a family to go home to also, your neighbors. They are not the politicians last line of defense. They are our last line of defense.

Logically Right

Nov 22, 2021 01:23:23 # br LogicallyRight (a reg... (show quote)

I see your point; however, you may want to read some SCOTUS case history as to the function of the police.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

LogicallyRight wrote:

Nov 22, 2021 01:23:23 #
LogicallyRight (a regular here) (online) Joined: Mar 7, 2020 Posts: 4487 Loc: Chicago

The people of the world are going to have to stand up to the politicians who are going against sound, reasoned, medical advice, and mandating shots for everyone down to little children.

This might be a good and necessary action if C***d were a real terror, but it just doesn't rise to that level. Yes, it is bad, but survivable.

This might be good advice of the v*****es were what was promised in the early days, but they are major failures. They might need a life time of boosters just to stay half way successful. And they aren't. They don't v******te against C***d. They are some help for some people when they get C***d, but people are still dying, even with the v*****e.

These v*****es might be good advice of they weren't so damn dangerous to just get a shot. Over 800,000 severe reactions and over 18,000 deaths in America alone. And that is for people who weren't sick with C***d in the first place.

These v*****es had more bad reactions then all of the other v*****es ever created. Total. Any other v*****e with such a bad record and so comparatively little deaths and hospitalizations would have been pulled in weeks.

These v*****es are leaving the v******ted in weakened immune states where people will be more and more susceptible to other serious diseases, and might lead to death in a few years.

And remember, it was the politicians that stood in the way of good therapies for C***d that are/were working. They stood in the way of studies backing these treatments, while offering medicines and therapies that were virtual death sentences.

The people of the world need to protest and just say "NO" and get rid of those leaders that would mandate this madness on them. Not the usual trouble makers like we saw at B*M and a****a, but real citizens, the good people of America and the world, Peacefully, but larger and larger crowds insistently demanding free choice on taking experimental drugs. No demands, or mandates, or passports, ANYWHERE.

And remember as you protest, these police and military troops sent to push you around, or corral you, or intimidate you, are still your neighbors. Just peacefully refuse to back down. Talk to them, but never shout at them. The enemy is the politicians who say they are doing this or that for our protection. No good politician does that. They are the evil, along with the pharmaceutical industry making big money, and the doctors and researchers in their pockets. There are more and more Doctors and Nurses and Virologists standing up against these bad v*****es every day. Know the good guys from the bad guys and stop them from this mass genocide. And remember, quietly but with firmness, remind these troops and police that they don't have to obey bad laws. They have no right to force peaceful citizens, protesting peacefully, but firmly, to back off. They have a family to go home to also, your neighbors. They are not the politicians last line of defense. They are our last line of defense.

Logically Right

Nov 22, 2021 01:23:23 # br LogicallyRight (a reg... (show quote)

Oorah!

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

AuntiE wrote:

I see your point; however, you may want to read some SCOTUS case history as to the function of the police.

I'm sure there might be some cases where the courts back the police/politician connection over the people/police connection. I was speaking as to what is logically right, not necessarily 100% legally right.

We have seen all to often of late, the rabble of the left attacking the police. And we have seen all through history, the police following the politicians bidding over the will and rights of free people. I'm advocating for an unwritten alliance between the police and their neighbors, and the other free people protesting against political over reach that we are seeing with mandates. In other words, don't antagonize the police and they are more likely apt to defend us in the end, instead of politicians pushing bad laws and rules. The police and military don't have to follow illegal orders. Lets keep them thinking that, instead of them wanting to bust a few heads, and launch some tear gas. They should be there to protect us from the bad guys, who are all to often out of control politicians. History proves that these politicians and rulers go to far. Let's win this battle for their allegiance.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

LogicallyRight wrote:

I'm sure there might be some cases where the court... (show quote)

According to multiple SCOTUS decisions, the job of the police is to solve crimes. Nary a case defines their job as protecting the public. In fact, it is those very decisions that lead to police departments removing Protect and Serve from police vehicles.

At this point, I would wager a majority of police are to leery of citizens to attempt to band with them.

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

AuntiE wrote:

According to multiple SCOTUS decisions, the job of the police is to solve crimes. Nary a case defines their job as protecting the public. In fact, it is those very decisions that lead to police departments removing Protect and Serve from police vehicles.

At this point, I would wager a majority of police are to leery of citizens to attempt to band with them.

Again, I'm not trying to dispute SCOTUS decisions.

What I see is the detective division as solving crimes. Most cops seem to be used for traffic enforcement, parking tickets, etc. They stand on corners for festivals and ball games. No crimes there. They do a lot of patrolling in high crime areas, and then get accused for profiling. (Another issue) But whenever there is a march or protest, their might be a massive presence of Police. In 2020 summer and fall. there were massive non peaceful protests and a large police presence. These Police often had their hands tied by politicians and these protests turned into r**ts, arson, l**ting, even murder, and of course blatant verbal and physical attacks on Police far worse then anything on 1*6.

If things get much worse, especially with freedom robbing mandates and passports, and locking people out of functioning in society, like shopping for food or working their jobs, their will be mass protests. It is happening in Europe. It did in Australia. The last thing I want to see is these people resorting to attacking the Police, and the Police attacking people, for demanding basic rights that politicians, without justification, are taking away from the people. And on the street, it will become Police and/or military against the people. To me, most of those people are no different then the Police. People who want to do a job and go home to their families. Making them enemies is a losing position on both sides. The real enemy is the politician taking to much authority away from the people because, "They know what's best for us." Despite not showing the slightest evidence for most of their careers.

Yes, 'Serve and Protect' often falls by the wayside.

***At this point, I would wager a majority of police are to leery of citizens to attempt to band with them.
>>>And I say we should still try to work with the Police peacefully, when a protest hits the police barricades. They are citizens too. People marching and waving signs does not have to be a treat. We aren't a****a or B*M mobs. We are people who have reached the point where we can't trust politicians that are hell bent on taking away our God given liberties.

Logically Right

guzzimaestro

Unfortunately, the criminal main stream media continues to promote the lies and censors the t***h

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

guzzimaestro wrote:

Unfortunately, the criminal main stream media continues to promote the lies and censors the t***h

And that is the t***h

woodguru

nonalien1 wrote:

I agree. All the politicians pushing the mandate should be held accountable .

As with most matters of a divided nature, your opposition feels that it's those defying common sense that should be held accountable

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

woodguru wrote:

As with most matters of a divided nature, your opposition feels that it's those defying common sense that should be held accountable

Since it is so rare that I see anything resembling common sense coming from you, how would you know?