Kirk

Wow PeterS you are the extremest

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Scientists don't actually see g****l w*****g as anything but an environmental issue. It is what it is. They might try to warn the populous about its possible effects, but the notion of and "attack" on capitalism and the free market system is fiction. Thus, most conservatives deny it based upon nothing scientific.

I've given you and the others here much to discuss and ponder which is accepted and based in science. Its mostly being ignored.

There is much to fear in America at present, but it is not in the science of g****l w*****g. The deeper issue is the inability of the average American to understand it. The average American seems to be all too gullible and susceptible to the twisted versions as portrayed by the "limit government", ultraconservative crowd.

But like I have said before, the big proportion of the same crowd believe the world is 6000 yrs old and believe the myths of the bible to be factual. One can't fight that. Its kind of like ISIS. Fundamental religious belief based upon the mythos of magic and supernatural powers also powers the skeptics of g****l w*****g. No matter what the facts are, they will be steadfast in their "belief".

That is the biggest problem America has right now, bar none.

Kirk

I believe the opposite is true. This whole thing is political. It's obvious. All one has to do is read the comments and speaches by the advocates of this crisis or movement and it's obvious. And by the way to be pro limited government does not make a person ultra conservative. I am no extremest. I'm just a realist.

Winter Solstice Loc: Salt Lake City

Clean, affordable energy is the thing. But we really should now cut off our existing energy resources until clean energy is really available.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

No, I do not think that cutting off our existing energy is a sane option. People need to stay warm in winter and cool in the summer, people use automobiles for work, and there are too many other things that depend on energy, regardless of how it is produced. I think that we need to look toward the future and explore other sources that is both clean and affordable. As everything, we must continue to evolve and that includes the way we live.

Your thought is admirable, but at this point is not practicable.

Kirk

I think he meant not instead of now.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Thank you Kirk, I can be so literal when reading comments. I should have known.

Thank you again



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bmac32 Loc: West Florida

While staying at my grandfathers camp I remember reading an article in a 1957 Popular Science that coal and oil was the main cause of g****l c*****g. At home we had just switched from coal to oil because of a mishap (furnace blew up) so as a kid was a little worried we'd be forced to stop using oil.

PeterS

Extremist? No, just trying to save the world before it freezes--and increase the worth of my stock in Koch industries while I am at it...

PeterS

Don't ever let anyone stop you from using oil. Oil brings happiness and the right to happiness is part of our constitutional rights!

PeterS

The thing is the more we use (demand) alternative (clean) energy to the greater the investment (supply) in it and the cheaper it will become. It's a supply and demand thing--or so I have been told...

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Even if we wanted to stop with oil we can't but liberals won't seem to face the facts and seem to live in a fantasy land. Obama is an i***t with this g****l w*****g crap.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Another moronic comment from a graduate troll. Were this the only article calling attention to the c*****e c****e h**x I might agree with you, but it only one of hundred from a number of unrelated sources. You are, of course, welcome to believe the Soros financed groups spewing the socialist line, but the rest of us prefer to do some research on our own.

Blacksheep

I had a Climmate once but I changed it for a Blitzard, which seemed to make less noise and use less power. Oh, wait. Do you mean CLIMATE?

You know I couldn't resist that. :lol:

Instead of us all trying to confuse each other with surveys and so forth, why don't we just use a little common sense? We know absolutely that an increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide increases the Greenhouse Effect. So if we artificially increase that CO2, yes, that will warm things up a bit. How much is the question, not if, however.

When the CO2 increases, plants grow faster, more plants grow, and they absorb the carbon much faster, releasing the oxygen much faster. So obviously there's a balance being maintained by nature. There would also obviously be a tipping point where the CO2 is generated faster than the plants can remove it, but where that point is and just how much or how little the actual CO2 increase would be, nobody knows.

We do know that the oxygen in our atmosphere is decreasing, and that's because it's being bound up with carbon. Personally, I think it's because countries like China and India are burning so very much coal now for power. China now has 1.4 billion people and India has almost 1.3 billion, with India projected to overtake China's population in another 20 years or so. By contrast, the USA has 317 million people if you believe the lies. Actually it has at least 340 - 350 million counting all the I*****l A***ns. Still, that's a billion less than either China or India and we don't burn even a tenth of the f****l f**ls either of them does.

So while we in the West are cackling hysterically away about Carbon Credits and Greenhouse Gases, C*****e C****e and G****l W*****g, the plain t***h is that even if we are contributing to an increase in atmospheric CO2, it can't be very much compared to India and China, and it may not be nearly enough to outdo Earth's plants and their ability to absorb it.

As far as that goes, a lot of places on Earth have been getting COOLER each year and C*****e C****e is just not the same as G****l W*****g, obviously.

The bottom line here is that the burning of f****l f**ls isn't going to stop until they're all used up, and we and the Europeans aren't the problem, if there is one, anyway. All that's really going on is our governments finding more ways to tax us. The Beatles sang that the Taxman would tax our air, and guess what Carbon Taxes are? A tax on the air we breathe without any justification in fact.

So every time you climb on the G****l W*****g/C*****e C****e bandwagon to toot your Chicken Little horn, just remember that YOU are being a sucker, spreading pointless fear and increasing your own tax burden. Wake up.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Why can't we just take the simple step that has been widely praised by scientist as a sensible answer to c*****e c****e - let's just sprinkle coal dust on the polar ice caps - surely not all that difficult