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Sep 24, 2014 17:15:37   #
rumitoid
 
Some of you know that I was quite concerned (parentally t***slated "worried to death") about my daughter's pregnancy. In childbirth the first time, due to a physical condition, she almost died and suffered discomfort and an ongoing threat to her health for weeks afterward. This condition was not cured and was considered more likely to cause problems with the second child, especially at the age of 44. Prayer apparently works: my daughter and her child, Barbara Ann, born last night, are both doing very well and there were no complications. Well, there was one...for me.

"Fear not!" I did not follow this command. Put a better way: I did not fully trust in God and have the peace of the Lord in this crisis. Only this morning reflecting on how I have been experiencing this situation with my daughter did I finally see this obvious gross negligence or should I call it sin. It feels justifiable: parents are supposed to worry about their kids, isn't it just part of loving them. Not being worried would have worried me and no doubt seemed odd or wrong to family and friends. It appears not just right and reasonable, it seems natural, part of how God made us.

Yet I also know that there are those times I have rationalized certain actions as just natural and not subject to any biblical injunctions, only later to see I had deluded myself simply because I felt it was the right action or behavior, personally needed it be the right action or behavior. It is at least two decades since I realized this: the way of Christ is radically different than conventional wisdom and contrary to worldly values. Most often I put my actions to that test but in the case of my daughter I did not even consider it for a second.

I feel now I was most likely wrong to worry as I did: what do you think?

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Sep 24, 2014 21:58:57   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Congratulations on your new granddaughter. It is a relief that your daughter and Barbara Ann are doing well. Again, congratulations,

rumitoid wrote:
Some of you know that I was quite concerned (parentally t***slated "worried to death") about my daughter's pregnancy. In childbirth the first time, due to a physical condition, she almost died and suffered discomfort and an ongoing threat to her health for weeks afterward. This condition was not cured and was considered more likely to cause problems with the second child, especially at the age of 44. Prayer apparently works: my daughter and her child, Barbara Ann, born last night, are both doing very well and there were no complications. Well, there was one...for me.

"Fear not!" I did not follow this command. Put a better way: I did not fully trust in God and have the peace of the Lord in this crisis. Only this morning reflecting on how I have been experiencing this situation with my daughter did I finally see this obvious gross negligence or should I call it sin. It feels justifiable: parents are supposed to worry about their kids, isn't it just part of loving them. Not being worried would have worried me and no doubt seemed odd or wrong to family and friends. It appears not just right and reasonable, it seems natural, part of how God made us.

Yet I also know that there are those times I have rationalized certain actions as just natural and not subject to any biblical injunctions, only later to see I had deluded myself simply because I felt it was the right action or behavior, personally needed it be the right action or behavior. It is at least two decades since I realized this: the way of Christ is radically different than conventional wisdom and contrary to worldly values. Most often I put my actions to that test but in the case of my daughter I did not even consider it for a second.

I feel now I was most likely wrong to worry as I did: what do you think?
Some of you know that I was quite concerned (paren... (show quote)

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Sep 24, 2014 22:16:15   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
rumitoid wrote:
Some of you know that I was quite concerned (parentally t***slated "worried to death") about my daughter's pregnancy. In childbirth the first time, due to a physical condition, she almost died and suffered discomfort and an ongoing threat to her health for weeks afterward. This condition was not cured and was considered more likely to cause problems with the second child, especially at the age of 44. Prayer apparently works: my daughter and her child, Barbara Ann, born last night, are both doing very well and there were no complications. Well, there was one...for me.

"Fear not!" I did not follow this command. Put a better way: I did not fully trust in God and have the peace of the Lord in this crisis. Only this morning reflecting on how I have been experiencing this situation with my daughter did I finally see this obvious gross negligence or should I call it sin. It feels justifiable: parents are supposed to worry about their kids, isn't it just part of loving them. Not being worried would have worried me and no doubt seemed odd or wrong to family and friends. It appears not just right and reasonable, it seems natural, part of how God made us.

Yet I also know that there are those times I have rationalized certain actions as just natural and not subject to any biblical injunctions, only later to see I had deluded myself simply because I felt it was the right action or behavior, personally needed it be the right action or behavior. It is at least two decades since I realized this: the way of Christ is radically different than conventional wisdom and contrary to worldly values. Most often I put my actions to that test but in the case of my daughter I did not even consider it for a second.

I feel now I was most likely wrong to worry as I did: what do you think?
Some of you know that I was quite concerned (paren... (show quote)



I would wonder about a parent who didn't worry about this situation. Some of your posts led me to believe that you were worried to the point of obsession, and that was distorting your judgement. In may ways it colored your response to other people and not in a good way. At that point I would consider it wrong because it damaged your relationship with other people. Obviously it did little if any permanent damage however, because there were many prayers and supplications to God on your behalf . God was with you and hopefully this experience has strengthened your belief and trust in His Almighty Power. God bless you and your daughter and the wonderful new grand daughter in your family.

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Sep 25, 2014 00:26:25   #
rumitoid
 
ginnyt wrote:
Congratulations on your new granddaughter. It is a relief that your daughter and Barbara Ann are doing well. Again, congratulations,


Thank you.

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Sep 25, 2014 00:26:54   #
rumitoid
 
no propaganda please wrote:
I would wonder about a parent who didn't worry about this situation. Some of your posts led me to believe that you were worried to the point of obsession, and that was distorting your judgement. In may ways it colored your response to other people and not in a good way. At that point I would consider it wrong because it damaged your relationship with other people. Obviously it did little if any permanent damage however, because there were many prayers and supplications to God on your behalf . God was with you and hopefully this experience has strengthened your belief and trust in His Almighty Power. God bless you and your daughter and the wonderful new grand daughter in your family.
I would wonder about a parent who didn't worry abo... (show quote)


Thank you.

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Sep 25, 2014 10:53:41   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
rumitoid wrote:
Some of you know that I was quite concerned (parentally t***slated "worried to death") about my daughter's pregnancy. In childbirth the first time, due to a physical condition, she almost died and suffered discomfort and an ongoing threat to her health for weeks afterward. This condition was not cured and was considered more likely to cause problems with the second child, especially at the age of 44. Prayer apparently works: my daughter and her child, Barbara Ann, born last night, are both doing very well and there were no complications. Well, there was one...for me.

"Fear not!" I did not follow this command. Put a better way: I did not fully trust in God and have the peace of the Lord in this crisis. Only this morning reflecting on how I have been experiencing this situation with my daughter did I finally see this obvious gross negligence or should I call it sin. It feels justifiable: parents are supposed to worry about their kids, isn't it just part of loving them. Not being worried would have worried me and no doubt seemed odd or wrong to family and friends. It appears not just right and reasonable, it seems natural, part of how God made us.

Yet I also know that there are those times I have rationalized certain actions as just natural and not subject to any biblical injunctions, only later to see I had deluded myself simply because I felt it was the right action or behavior, personally needed it be the right action or behavior. It is at least two decades since I realized this: the way of Christ is radically different than conventional wisdom and contrary to worldly values. Most often I put my actions to that test but in the case of my daughter I did not even consider it for a second.

I feel now I was most likely wrong to worry as I did: what do you think?
Some of you know that I was quite concerned (paren... (show quote)


There are two types of sin, mortal and venal.

A mortal sin is a knowing and willful violation of God's law. In committing a mortal sin you are separating yourself spiritually from God.

A venal sin are smaller, though still sins. They; however, do not separate you from God. They my harm your relationship with him. They do not separate you from him in a spiritual manner.

In your situation, you were still praying for God's intercession for your daughter, hence were not separated spiritually from God.

Several weeks ago I had a forum on for forgiveness and turning over to God our worries. (Bit of snark here. A forum you did not participate in, if memory serves.) Of the two, it is my personal feeling saying, "Here God, you take this. I leave it in your hands." is the harder of the two things.

As a secondary matter, you had other people praying for you directly, as well as for your daughter. I would like to think God would consider our intercession for you during this time of your worry.

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Sep 25, 2014 21:28:16   #
rumitoid
 
AuntiE wrote:
There are two types of sin, mortal and venal.

A mortal sin is a knowing and willful violation of God's law. In committing a mortal sin you are separating yourself spiritually from God.

A venal sin are smaller, though still sins. They; however, do not separate you from God. They my harm your relationship with him. They do not separate you from him in a spiritual manner.

In your situation, you were still praying for God's intercession for your daughter, hence were not separated spiritually from God.

Several weeks ago I had a forum on for forgiveness and turning over to God our worries. (Bit of snark here. A forum you did not participate in, if memory serves.) Of the two, it is my personal feeling saying, "Here God, you take this. I leave it in your hands." is the harder of the two things.

As a secondary matter, you had other people praying for you directly, as well as for your daughter. I would like to think God would consider our intercession for you during this time of your worry.
There are two types of sin, mortal and venal. br ... (show quote)


I am a cradle Catholic though for last two decades consider myself simply a Christ-follower. It does seem that fear/worry is natural for a parent to feel at times for their children and not to do so against God's order. As you pointed out, there were two things going on with me: fear and prayer over the situation, and one that called others into service to God through sacrificing their time and effort to pray as well. Though the venal and mortal sin breakdown I am not completely comfortable with any more, it does seem to cover the subject quite well. I am replying a little ahead of giving this more thought in order to thank you thank you for replying and definitely giving me more food for thought.

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Sep 25, 2014 21:31:34   #
rumitoid
 
no propaganda please wrote:
I would wonder about a parent who didn't worry about this situation. Some of your posts led me to believe that you were worried to the point of obsession, and that was distorting your judgement. In may ways it colored your response to other people and not in a good way. At that point I would consider it wrong because it damaged your relationship with other people. Obviously it did little if any permanent damage however, because there were many prayers and supplications to God on your behalf . God was with you and hopefully this experience has strengthened your belief and trust in His Almighty Power. God bless you and your daughter and the wonderful new grand daughter in your family.
I would wonder about a parent who didn't worry abo... (show quote)


Okay, you're right. If I am in fear or sorrow, I need to be put in a highly secure place and not released until a panel of eminent psychiatrists v**e unanimously to release once deemed the world is safe from this emotional tornado. Thank you. Feel free to make those arrangements for me at the first hint.

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Sep 25, 2014 21:35:01   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
rumitoid wrote:
Okay, you're right. If I am in fear or sorrow, I need to be put in a highly secure place and not released until a panel of eminent psychiatrists v**e unanimously to release once deemed the world is safe from this emotional tornado. Thank you. Feel free to make those arrangements for me at the first hint.



No what you need is an extra hug and a prayer . I will work on the prayers, but SWMBO will have to provide the hug.

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Sep 25, 2014 21:39:44   #
rumitoid
 
no propaganda please wrote:
No what you need is an extra hug and a prayer . I will work on the prayers, but SWMBO will have to provide the hug.


Thank you, I definitely need both.

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Sep 25, 2014 23:23:13   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
rumitoid wrote:
Thank you, I definitely need both.


HHHHUUUUGGGG

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Sep 26, 2014 08:16:13   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
AuntiE wrote:
HHHHUUUUGGGG


So that makes double hugs
SWMBO

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Sep 26, 2014 12:34:21   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
rumitoid wrote:
Some of you know that I was quite concerned (parentally t***slated "worried to death") about my daughter's pregnancy. In childbirth the first time, due to a physical condition, she almost died and suffered discomfort and an ongoing threat to her health for weeks afterward. This condition was not cured and was considered more likely to cause problems with the second child, especially at the age of 44. Prayer apparently works: my daughter and her child, Barbara Ann, born last night, are both doing very well and there were no complications. Well, there was one...for me.

"Fear not!" I did not follow this command. Put a better way: I did not fully trust in God and have the peace of the Lord in this crisis. Only this morning reflecting on how I have been experiencing this situation with my daughter did I finally see this obvious gross negligence or should I call it sin. It feels justifiable: parents are supposed to worry about their kids, isn't it just part of loving them. Not being worried would have worried me and no doubt seemed odd or wrong to family and friends. It appears not just right and reasonable, it seems natural, part of how God made us.

Yet I also know that there are those times I have rationalized certain actions as just natural and not subject to any biblical injunctions, only later to see I had deluded myself simply because I felt it was the right action or behavior, personally needed it be the right action or behavior. It is at least two decades since I realized this: the way of Christ is radically different than conventional wisdom and contrary to worldly values. Most often I put my actions to that test but in the case of my daughter I did not even consider it for a second.

I feel now I was most likely wrong to worry as I did: what do you think?
Some of you know that I was quite concerned (paren... (show quote)


Fear is a powerful emotion. Fear for our loved ones is almost primal. God does not expect us to be perfect. You prayed for your daughter and her child showing you had faith. I do not believe any parent in your situation would not worry. Obviously, God looked after your daughter and grandchild.

Congratulations. Enjoy this little blessing from God. Being a Grandparent is awesome.

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Sep 26, 2014 17:05:43   #
rumitoid
 
AuntiE wrote:
HHHHUUUUGGGG


Hmmmm, yummie, thank you.

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Sep 26, 2014 17:07:04   #
rumitoid
 
She Wolf wrote:
Fear is a powerful emotion. Fear for our loved ones is almost primal. God does not expect us to be perfect. You prayed for your daughter and her child showing you had faith. I do not believe any parent in your situation would not worry. Obviously, God looked after your daughter and grandchild.

Congratulations. Enjoy this little blessing from God. Being a Grandparent is awesome.


Thank you very much. Wise words.

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