JMHO Loc: Utah

On September 17 Breitbart News reported that Americans for Responsible Solutions (ARS)--the gun control group founded by Gabby Giffords and Mark Kelly--was running an ad attacking GOP Congressional candidate Martha McSally for defending the Second Amendment.

In the ad, family members who lost other family members to criminal misuse of a guns were paraded before the camera in an emotional plea meant to shame McSally into turning her back on gun rights.

On September 19 the Arizona Republic condemned the ad, saying it "waves the bloody shirt" by taking "the tragic death of two innocents" and trying to lay them at McSally's feet. The Republic says the ad's "base and vile" approach is hurting Giffords' image while leaving McSally untouched.

The Republic says the ad is "more than Hardball politics," it's the "(exploitation) of a family's tragedy to score cheap political points."

McSally is running against Representative Ron Barber (D-AZ) for the seat in Arizona's 2nd Congressional District. It is the same seat Giffords held when she was in Congress.

Barber supports placing more gun control on the American people. McSally says we don't need more laws, rather, we need enforcement of the laws already on the books.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Gifford has been exploited by BO and his cronies in a most disgraceful show of supposedly supporting her..It is anything but....

What happened to her is horrendous, no doubt..But no reason to strip the people of their second amendment, period~Removing our weapons is not the answer..The criminals whom use them won't care, they don't get them legally to begin with...

Stats clearly confirm those states that have concealed weapons permits enjoy a lower ratio of crimes committed with guns....Doesn't take rocket science to figure it out..

The push to remove our weapons is a control issue in the event there was civil unrest...They know they have pushed the people way too much to "tolerate" much more of their BS....

MrEd Loc: Georgia

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lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Thank You, Mr. Ed. that dang double post again :shock: Going to try Firefox soonnnn :D

Caboose Loc: South Carolina

Im happy that the OPP has a conservative lady.

dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)

Right on the money, LindaJoy. The common denominator in all of the tragic shootings is Mental Health, not whether or not the guns were obtained illegally. We're fighting I-594 in WA which, if enacted, would require such extensive background checks that you and I would have to appear before a Federal Firearms licensed dealer and submit a form, along with $75, and then wait several weeks for it to come back approved before I could let you shoot my .22 at a local gun range. Like that is going to prevent a criminal from getting a gun. Their ads on TV are bald-faced lies but that never got in the way of accomplishing their aims. (no pun intended)

She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia

I believe the second amendment gives me the right to own a gun. Are these people naive enough to believe criminals will obey gun laws? If a person will brutally murder another human being, I do not believe gun laws will stop them. All these laws will do is increase the number of victims.

I can't remember who said this to me but I think it is true. "When seconds count the police are always minutes away" We have the right, no the responsibility to protect our families and ourselves.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Thank You Caboose..I'm glad to be here with so many very nice people and interesting topics...

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Sounds like Chicago...Literally took a Supreme Court ruling of reversal telling Cook County it was a violation of a persons right not to allow ownership of a gun..When I first moved there, coming from Cali, I had my concealed weapons permit from it and wanted to get it in Chicago..I didn't know guns were NOT allowed..Go in and am told no guns in the county and BTW I needed to surrender my gun(s) to them..Looked right at the man, never dropping eye contact and said~~What, when was the second amendment abrogated?? And surrender my guns to you, when hell freezes over...He goes, yes, you have to surrender your weapons, and was dead serious..And just as seriously I said let me repeat, when hell freezes over...A year later the ruling came out with an order by date certain to allow persons to buy weapons and have..The illustrious Springfield cronies waited until the very day of the order to file their response...Knowing it was going to get kicked down, they modified but it then would take upwards to a year to get a gun...Knowing that wouldn't fly, they once again, modified the requirements saying it would take about 3 months..Some wait more than a year now..And yes, its gone back for modified order from the Supreme Court against them..Now you can buy a gun and own one and guess what~~~although its still very early, the crime rate involving guns is declining, something that hadn't been seen in years.....Can't say its because of the change but I sure bank on it as being so...

Good Luck with Washington..A beautiful state with a governor that must seriously enjoy his herbs~~~ ;-)

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Sounds like Chicago...Literally took a Supreme Court ruling of reversal telling Cook County it was a violation of a persons right not to allow ownership of a gun..When I first moved there, coming from Cali, I had my concealed weapons permit from it and wanted to get it in Chicago..I didn't know guns were NOT allowed..Go in and am told no guns in the county and BTW I needed to surrender my gun(s) to them..Looked right at the man, never dropping eye contact and said~~What, when was the second amendment abrogated?? And surrender my guns to you, when hell freezes over...He goes, yes, you have to surrender your weapons, and was dead serious..And just as seriously I said let me repeat, when hell freezes over...A year later the ruling came out with an order by date certain to allow persons to buy weapons and have..The illustrious Springfield cronies waited until the very day of the order to file their response...Knowing it was going to get kicked down, they modified but it then would take upwards to a year to get a gun...Knowing that wouldn't fly, they once again, modified the requirements saying it would take about 3 months..Some wait more than a year now..And yes, its gone back for modified order from the Supreme Court against them..Now you can buy a gun and own one and guess what~~~although its still very early, the crime rate involving guns is declining, something that hadn't been seen in years.....Can't say its because of the change but I sure bank on it as being so...

Good Luck with Washington..A beautiful state with a governor that must seriously enjoy his herbs~~~ ;-)

usmc4

There is also the saying, "It is better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6". I'd say that it was the same person in your quote. And yes, "it is our responsibility to protect our families".

rocketride

They should have called it "Americans for Responsible Solutions Everywhere (ARSE)". . .

rocketride

No, they are not naive enough to believe any such thing (except for maybe the very dimmest of them). They are mostly fully aware that disarming us makes us less safe. They don't care. To their exalted selves we 'proles' are a fungible commodity-- like a lump of coal or a scoop of wheat-- one of us is just like another and entirely interchangeable. And, there's plenty more where we came from, so we're quite expendable. What they do care about is that we not have any means to effectively be a threat to their plans to (to put it bluntly) own us. They want to own us and they would vastly prefer to not catch any hot lead while asserting that ownership claim.

She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia

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alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

murder is against the law, hows that working out?