We have heard of the push for attaining this mythical magical goal of energy independence...
What do you think of when you hear or use that term, what does it mean to have achieved energy independence?
To me it would mean that we produce as much as we need, that we are not subjected to any shortages or supply problems...on a broader definition in my mind if we truly had energy independence, we would be setting our own prices for the benefit of america and it's people, businesses that depend on fuel, and the economy.
We achieved the goal of producing more than we need a long time ago, as a goal that fires up real americans it is not something we are still trying to achieve, that every pipeline delay or obstruction interferes with...no, Biden is not hurting our energy independence.
If we wanted energy independence we would pull the stops out doing everything possible to use less...every change that can be made like MPG increases lowers the amount of gas used in this country by tens of millions of gallons a day.
So when I hear right wingers spouting off about rising gas prices and energy dependence all I can do is shake my head at the ignorance and misunderstanding about the reasons gasoline goes up...it does not "have to" go up, it just makes oil companies more money.
I personally think gas prices should be regulated in sync with profits, no price increases until they can show they are suffering from profit losses.
woodguru wrote:
We have heard of the push for attaining this mythical magical goal of energy independence...
What do you think of when you hear or use that term, what does it mean to have achieved energy independence?
To me it would mean that we produce as much as we need, that we are not subjected to any shortages or supply problems...on a broader definition in my mind if we truly had energy independence, we would be setting our own prices for the benefit of america and it's people, businesses that depend on fuel, and the economy.
We achieved the goal of producing more than we need a long time ago, as a goal that fires up real americans it is not something we are still trying to achieve, that every pipeline delay or obstruction interferes with...no, Biden is not hurting our energy independence.
If we wanted energy independence we would pull the stops out doing everything possible to use less...every change that can be made like MPG increases lowers the amount of gas used in this country by tens of millions of gallons a day.
So when I hear right wingers spouting off about rising gas prices and energy dependence all I can do is shake my head at the ignorance and misunderstanding about the reasons gasoline goes up...it does not "have to" go up, it just makes oil companies more money.
I personally think gas prices should be regulated in sync with profits, no price increases until they can show they are suffering from profit losses.
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Sounds like a c*******t philosophy at best. Who are you or anyone else to describe and limit profits. The market does that in a free economy.
LogicallyRight wrote:
Sounds like a c*******t philosophy at best. Who are you or anyone else to describe and limit profits. The market does that in a free economy.
He is just trying to spin Biden out of any responsibility for rising energy costs. It is not working.
woodguru wrote:
We have heard of the push for attaining this mythical magical goal of energy independence...
What do you think of when you hear or use that term, what does it mean to have achieved energy independence?
To me it would mean that we produce as much as we need, that we are not subjected to any shortages or supply problems...on a broader definition in my mind if we truly had energy independence, we would be setting our own prices for the benefit of america and it's people, businesses that depend on fuel, and the economy.
We achieved the goal of producing more than we need a long time ago, as a goal that fires up real americans it is not something we are still trying to achieve, that every pipeline delay or obstruction interferes with...no, Biden is not hurting our energy independence.
If we wanted energy independence we would pull the stops out doing everything possible to use less...every change that can be made like MPG increases lowers the amount of gas used in this country by tens of millions of gallons a day.
So when I hear right wingers spouting off about rising gas prices and energy dependence all I can do is shake my head at the ignorance and misunderstanding about the reasons gasoline goes up...it does not "have to" go up, it just makes oil companies more money.
I personally think gas prices should be regulated in sync with profits, no price increases until they can show they are suffering from profit losses.
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Talk about ignorance read your post! How about you come up with the technology first that works, is sustainable and affordable before we say bye-bye to oil!!
The problem is your side believe in unicorns and wants to destroy our way of life before we have the technology. Gee what could go wrong with that?
When you beg other countries to produce more oil for us, they say no and laugh meanwhile our prices skyrocket because we cut off the lifeblood of our country in the keystone pipeline. It is safer than Trucking out on the highways and you don’t have to worry about it ships anchor rupturing it off the coast of California.
I’m just nine months you guys I’ve done so much damage to this country with soaring prices, rising inflation and costing every American more money out of their pocket through your destructive dumb ass policies and that is a fact you cannot argue and you certainly cannot blame Trump!
Oh I know you may try but Democrats own this whole mess 100% because they have reversed all of the policies that were working and as a result look at the chaos that house in soon and the pain inflicted on Americans.
You really need serious mental health care woody😉 Good luck with that!
woodguru wrote:
We have heard of the push for attaining this mythical magical goal of energy independence...
What do you think of when you hear or use that term, what does it mean to have achieved energy independence?
To me it would mean that we produce as much as we need, that we are not subjected to any shortages or supply problems...on a broader definition in my mind if we truly had energy independence, we would be setting our own prices for the benefit of america and it's people, businesses that depend on fuel, and the economy.
We achieved the goal of producing more than we need a long time ago, as a goal that fires up real americans it is not something we are still trying to achieve, that every pipeline delay or obstruction interferes with...no, Biden is not hurting our energy independence.
If we wanted energy independence we would pull the stops out doing everything possible to use less...every change that can be made like MPG increases lowers the amount of gas used in this country by tens of millions of gallons a day.
So when I hear right wingers spouting off about rising gas prices and energy dependence all I can do is shake my head at the ignorance and misunderstanding about the reasons gasoline goes up...it does not "have to" go up, it just makes oil companies more money.
I personally think gas prices should be regulated in sync with profits, no price increases until they can show they are suffering from profit losses.
We have heard of the push for attaining this mythi... (
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You're pretty naïve as concern energy but you are obviously getting your information from those in defense of the Biden actions. That being said, why is it you l*****ts always want to regulate things? Don't mess with the oil and gas industry and you will have plenty of energy and lower costs.
woodguru wrote:
We have heard of the push for attaining this mythical magical goal of energy independence...
What do you think of when you hear or use that term, what does it mean to have achieved energy independence?
To me it would mean that we produce as much as we need, that we are not subjected to any shortages or supply problems...on a broader definition in my mind if we truly had energy independence, we would be setting our own prices for the benefit of america and it's people, businesses that depend on fuel, and the economy.
We achieved the goal of producing more than we need a long time ago, as a goal that fires up real americans it is not something we are still trying to achieve, that every pipeline delay or obstruction interferes with...no, Biden is not hurting our energy independence.
If we wanted energy independence we would pull the stops out doing everything possible to use less...every change that can be made like MPG increases lowers the amount of gas used in this country by tens of millions of gallons a day.
So when I hear right wingers spouting off about rising gas prices and energy dependence all I can do is shake my head at the ignorance and misunderstanding about the reasons gasoline goes up...it does not "have to" go up, it just makes oil companies more money.
I personally think gas prices should be regulated in sync with profits, no price increases until they can show they are suffering from profit losses.
We have heard of the push for attaining this mythi... (
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When your wife/husband gets home from work do you seek her/his "atta boy" for all of the bullbiden that you mindlessly post?
woodguru wrote:
We have heard of the push for attaining this mythical magical goal of energy independence...
What do you think of when you hear or use that term, what does it mean to have achieved energy independence?
To me it would mean that we produce as much as we need, that we are not subjected to any shortages or supply problems...on a broader definition in my mind if we truly had energy independence, we would be setting our own prices for the benefit of america and it's people, businesses that depend on fuel, and the economy.
We achieved the goal of producing more than we need a long time ago, as a goal that fires up real americans it is not something we are still trying to achieve, that every pipeline delay or obstruction interferes with...no, Biden is not hurting our energy independence.
If we wanted energy independence we would pull the stops out doing everything possible to use less...every change that can be made like MPG increases lowers the amount of gas used in this country by tens of millions of gallons a day.
So when I hear right wingers spouting off about rising gas prices and energy dependence all I can do is shake my head at the ignorance and misunderstanding about the reasons gasoline goes up...it does not "have to" go up, it just makes oil companies more money.
I personally think gas prices should be regulated in sync with profits, no price increases until they can show they are suffering from profit losses.
We have heard of the push for attaining this mythi... (
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We've been energy independent for decades...........................which is why we've been EXPORTING petroleum products. Now, if wallstreet would stop letting foreign markets set oil prices............................
Michael Rich wrote:
When your wife/husband gets home from work do you seek her/his "atta boy" for all of the bullbiden that you mindlessly post?
Did you even understand what I was saying? Of course not, that would take comprehension and the ability to think rather than react.
nwtk2007 wrote:
You're pretty naïve as concern energy but you are obviously getting your information from those in defense of the Biden actions. That being said, why is it you l*****ts always want to regulate things? Don't mess with the oil and gas industry and you will have plenty of energy and lower costs.
I've been following the mindlessness of oil and gas prices since well before Bush...when oil companies were posting record profits yet they drove gas prices to the point it brought this country to it's knees, with airlines and shipping companies losing hundreds of millions a quarter because of the price of gas.
The oil industry gets billions in subsidies and "special" tax breaks, and the government has every right to totally regulate and control the price of fuels. The other place we can go is to completely turn off the unneeded tax breaks and subsidies.
AmericanEagle wrote:
Talk about ignorance read your post! How about you come up with the technology first that works, is sustainable and affordable before we say bye-bye to oil!!
Nobody is saying say bye bye to oil, cut it back, reduce the use over a few decades. Every extra MPG the auto industry manages to increase gas mileage in their overall averages by reduces over 20 million gallons of gas used a day. An aggressive fuel use decrease makes a difference over ten and twenty years, they are long term goals and phasing out.
Your fears infers that dems want to end oil overnight, when the reality is that older people will never even see the benefits of long term goals that reduce oil and gas use.
The auto industry had no problems meeting the long term gas mileage goals that trump simply tried to undo with an executive order. The administration never did even try to justify with any intelligent reasons why this made any sense, because it didn't...the oil industry wanted it.
woodguru wrote:
I've been following the mindlessness of oil and gas prices since well before Bush...when oil companies were posting record profits yet they drove gas prices to the point it brought this country to it's knees, with airlines and shipping companies losing hundreds of millions a quarter because of the price of gas.
The oil industry gets billions in subsidies and "special" tax breaks, and the government has every right to totally regulate and control the price of fuels. The other place we can go is to completely turn off the unneeded tax breaks and subsidies.
I've been following the mindlessness of oil and ga... (
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Nope, it is the one industry that is purely governed by supply and demand.
woodguru wrote:
Nobody is saying say bye bye to oil, cut it back, reduce the use over a few decades. Every extra MPG the auto industry manages to increase gas mileage in their overall averages by reduces over 20 million gallons of gas used a day. An aggressive fuel use decrease makes a difference over ten and twenty years, they are long term goals and phasing out.
Your fears infers that dems want to end oil overnight, when the reality is that older people will never even see the benefits of long term goals that reduce oil and gas use.
The auto industry had no problems meeting the long term gas mileage goals that trump simply tried to undo with an executive order. The administration never did even try to justify with any intelligent reasons why this made any sense, because it didn't...the oil industry wanted it.
Nobody is saying say bye bye to oil, cut it back, ... (
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Shutting down the Keystone Pipeline and stopping the mining in so many areas of the country is not asking to squeeze more MPG out of our fuel. It is a clear message that the gov is going to work against the industry.
woodguru wrote:
Did you even understand what I was saying? Of course not, that would take comprehension and the ability to think rather than react.
I, like some others don't care what a woke progressive thinks or says.
Liberty Tree wrote:
He is just trying to spin Biden out of any responsibility for rising energy costs. It is not working.
For one thing energy independence is not a fantasy. President Trump delivered energy independence, (having more energy than we use,) for the first time in almost 70 years. Biden on day 1 started putting a stop to that. Biden is now begging OPEC for more oil, (at higher prices of course. Just like the left said manufacturing would never come back...President Trump's policy encouraged companies TO return their manufacturing to America, many companies that started manufacturing again in America had outsourced those jobs for decades.
Notice how when l*****ts are incapable, or have no desire to do something, (even something important that needs to be done, and they have lied about being able to do,) they simply declare that wh**ever it is...just can't be done, it's impossible. For themselves, they are right. For President Trump it didn't seem to be a problem. Wonder if that means the left never has/had any intention of delivering on any of their promises, (at least any that would actually benefit America/Americans.)
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