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Oct 17, 2021 22:43:52   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
3507 wrote:
Yes, those are pretty good concepts about the law.

The law is another approximation to being fair.


Your school examples are quite fine in my opinion.
When I was in High School, I wanted to take an Agriculture class that wasn't offered at my school. I was allowed to travel to the nearby school where it was offered for just that one class.
I also think that trade classes should be offered in schools as well.
We don't all share the same interests, or sk**l sets.

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Oct 17, 2021 23:07:41   #
3507
 
American Vet wrote:
And what you described is a process problem; and processes can be changed.

What happened you view as "unfair". Had there been a law/Senate rule/etc. in place, then e******y would have happened.


There will never be laws sufficient to address all the little loopholes or various unfairnesses that unscrupulous individuals can dream up. Nor should there be; the system of laws shouldn't be endlessly complicated. We do need laws, but we also need an additional concept, which I call "fairness" or "fair play" or decency, and accountability to behave reasonably.

I guess some people would think that the Senate leader deliberately denying the Merrick Garland nomination a hearing, for a really long time until it's effectively never, would be fair, or that fairness is irrelevant. I haven't heard anyone actually address that specific point, except the people who think it's _unfair_. The remainder of the people seem to be side-stepping the question, and it seems that it doesn't bother _them_ to have a Senate leader who behaves that way. Maybe they have no standard of behavior at all, except wh**ever it takes to get what they want. You've claimed the law as a kind of standard, but I'm saying that mere legality is not sufficient as a standard of behavior.

And, regarding laws: Laws aren't even always good laws. Somebody has to have some higher standard to compare them to: something beyond mere legality. That's how we can decide which laws we want Congress to enact or to repeal or to revise. There has to be some kind of "why" behind it all; and one word, to try to capture that concept, is "fairness".

With such a concept in mind, one can look at expanding the size of the Supreme Court (a legal thing Congress can do) (which I think might be a good idea), or one can look at denying the Merrick Garland nomination a hearing for almost a year until the nomination expires (which may also be technically "legal", I suppose) (and I think it was a terrible thing to do), and form an idea of whether we want our elected officials to behave that way, and hold them accountable to a standard of behavior which goes beyond the mere technicalities of legality. I believe it's also legal for a president to cause atomic bombs to be dropped all over the world, on a whim. Would you want Biden to do that? If it's legal, then what argument could you possibly have against it?

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Oct 18, 2021 07:29:10   #
American Vet
 
3507 wrote:
I'm just saying that _being_ unequal means that being _treated_ equally sometimes doesn't lead to equivalently satisfactory outcomes for all the boys. That's because they are not all exactly equal in the same ways.


We can never achieve what all persons would consider a 'satisfactory outcome'.

As you note, people are not the same. The boy talented in music is certainly free to try and play football - and the football player can try out for the orchestra. Let their ability/drive take them where they want.

As far as the 'budget' issue - that is ultimately decided by the v**ers. (Title IX is an example of this).

You make several good points: However, to me, equal remains supreme.

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Oct 18, 2021 13:16:48   #
Cuda2020
 
The Ms. wrote:
You ….. are you Corvair without the pic! If you have something to say about me….. direct it to me!!! What, you thought I wouldn’t see it?
As to my comment… I stated t***h!!!!
So get off your soap box and face reality. I am not only Evolved…. I am Experienced !!!!!
So take your politically correct Bulls**t and Shove It!!!!


Your post was an example of an attitude that I used, it's as simple as that, sorry you had a problem with that. It was your statement was it not? And that's your t***h, within your perception and it is a lowly one, no high bar there, nothing to aspire to. It was on an open forum, where you posted, I assumed you'd see it and what does that matter, it matters little to nothing.

No soap box at all, you're experienced? That's a bit open ended. LOL

This has nothing to do with being politically correct, it does have to do with our integrity and how we choose to function but you seemed to have missed that.

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Oct 18, 2021 13:21:17   #
Cuda2020
 
archie bunker wrote:
Your school examples are quite fine in my opinion.
When I was in High School, I wanted to take an Agriculture class that wasn't offered at my school. I was allowed to travel to the nearby school where it was offered for just that one class.
I also think that trade classes should be offered in schools as well.
We don't all share the same interests, or sk**l sets.


Very true.

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Oct 18, 2021 14:18:53   #
The Ms.
 
Cuda2020 wrote:
Your post was an example of an attitude that I used, it's as simple as that, sorry you had a problem with that. It was your statement was it not? And that's your t***h, within your perception and it is a lowly one, no high bar there, nothing to aspire to. It was on an open forum, where you posted, I assumed you'd see it and what does that matter, it matters little to nothing.

No soap box at all, you're experienced? That's a bit open ended. LOL

This has nothing to do with being politically correct, it does have to do with our integrity and how we choose to function but you seemed to have missed that.
Your post was an example of an attitude that I use... (show quote)


You!!! Have no integrity and couldn’t even spell it with out Mr Google…. Let alone educate others!

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Oct 18, 2021 14:48:00   #
kemmer
 
The Ms. wrote:
You!!! Have no integrity and couldn’t even spell it with out Mr Google…. Let alone educate others!

‘Without’ is one word, sweets.

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Oct 18, 2021 15:07:39   #
EmilyD
 
kemmer wrote:
‘Without’ is one word, sweets.

Single quotation marks are used to indicate quotations inside of other quotations, dearie.

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Oct 18, 2021 15:22:39   #
WinkyTink Loc: Hill Country, TX
 
EmilyD wrote:
Single quotation marks are used to indicate quotations inside of other quotations, dearie.


Good one!

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Oct 18, 2021 15:43:58   #
Cuda2020
 
The Ms. wrote:
You!!! Have no integrity and couldn’t even spell it with out Mr Google…. Let alone educate others!


Nah, I'm not you, your ego and insecurity make you miss the point again which is amazing, should we go for three out of three?
Now you're being an emotional female with nothing more then a petty insult instead of being all grown up and getting what I'm saying, so let me ask you directly, why do you think I commented on your statement as being unevolved?

Do you really think the attitude of our governing should be...your quote: "Whoever said politics was Fair! Definition of screw or be screwed!!!!".

Or should we aspire to be better then that?

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Oct 18, 2021 15:56:31   #
Cuda2020
 
kemmer wrote:
‘Without’ is one word, sweets.


I believe you've just committed a cardinal sin, shame on you, as we know how grammatically correct everyone's posts are on here.

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Oct 18, 2021 16:10:42   #
Cuda2020
 
American Vet wrote:
We can never achieve what all persons would consider a 'satisfactory outcome'.

As you note, people are not the same. The boy talented in music is certainly free to try and play football - and the football player can try out for the orchestra. Let their ability/drive take them where they want.

As far as the 'budget' issue - that is ultimately decided by the v**ers. (Title IX is an example of this).

You make several good points: However, to me, equal remains supreme.


Treating people fairly and equally can be achieved by the law, socially is another matter, as long as we feed the social classes and our egos that's never going to happen, maybe in the after life.

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Oct 18, 2021 17:00:09   #
The Ms.
 
kemmer wrote:
‘Without’ is one word, sweets.


Best you can do…. I had to give you something superficial to point to! Take a break!

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Oct 18, 2021 17:01:57   #
The Ms.
 
EmilyD wrote:
Single quotation marks are used to indicate quotations inside of other quotations, dearie.


Thanks…. Too funny🙏🙏🙏👍👍👍

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Oct 18, 2021 17:26:18   #
The Ms.
 
Cuda2020 wrote:
Nah, I'm not you, your ego and insecurity make you miss the point again which is amazing, should we go for three out of three?
Now you're being an emotional female with nothing more then a petty insult instead of being all grown up and getting what I'm saying, so let me ask you directly, why do you think I commented on your statement as being unevolved?

Do you really think the attitude of our governing should be...your quote: "Whoever said politics was Fair! Definition of screw or be screwed!!!!".

Or should we aspire to be better then that?
Nah, I'm not you, your ego and insecurity make you... (show quote)


First , don’t you worry about my Ego…. If it’s a problem, it is my problem!

Good job on resorting to the “Emotional Female” fallback when you can’t hold your own! I may be lots of things but you are barking up the wrong tree with that old standby.

And I Resent you calling my well thought out insults petty!!!!

My statement on “ politics being a game of screw or be screwed” was me stating a FACT based on history starting with Obama who blew up the little civility that was present in politics!

And if you want to cry about Garland then know it’s justified after what Dems did to Bork and Clarence Thomas! The left keeps forgetting that they are mere mortals subject to that damn Fair Law of Karma!!!

Finally, I am Politically Incorrect by design …… I just call it like I see it!
I do not make the rules…..however, I do my best to break the Stupid ones!

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