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Oct 6, 2021 19:16:21   #
American Vet
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://goodfaithmedia.org/lets-talk-patriotism-what-it-is-and-is-not/

Let’s Talk Patriotism – What It Is and Is Not

by Michael Chancellor, Oct 5, 2021

I grew up in the home of a patriot who did not make a big deal about his military service.

My father did not fondle a f**g every time he saw one or wear his patriotism on his sleeve. But he enlisted in the Marines, fought in some of the worst battles in the South Pacific during WWII and was awarded two Purple Hearts.

After being honorably discharged, my father came home, raised a family, respected others, provided for family and extended family, paid his taxes and obeyed the law.

So, the father who raised me, the father I grew up beside, the father I worked beside was the epitome of patriotism. In some ways, he is still the standard by which I measure patriotism.

So, when I hear some radical right winger who stormed the Capitol spoken of as a real “patriot” and those charged with their crimes described as “political prisoners,” frankly, I want to throw up.

Patriotism is not worship. So, what is patriotism in our time?

First, it is a passion and a thirst for a nation to become what it aspired but failed to be from the beginning.

We can shorthand it in “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” for all. Patriots yearn for all to be free to pursue their goals and dreams and opportunities and are aware that until all are free, none are completely free.

Second, patriotism is seeing and acknowledging the failings and flaws of one’s nation – the lack of e******y, justice and opportunity for all – in order to move the nation along to correct those failings and flaws.

Third, patriotism fires a flaming, piercing beacon of hope in this world which will inevitably draw immigrants, refugees and those seeking safety and opportunity.

We know that while we cannot house the entire world within our borders, we can lead the way, by example and initiative, for people to have stable governments of integrity, safety and opportunity.

Fourth, we support the right of all to express their dissatisfaction and concerns, a freedom guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.

We also understand that protests happen wherever a person finds leverage and influence to use in an effort to call attention to injustice. A football player taking a knee is not disgraceful; it is a continuation of a long line of protests dating back to the Boston Tea Party.

Fifth, patriotism is a striving for a truly just judicial system – one with equal representation for all and equal justice for all.

Sixth, patriotism is about everyone playing their part to make this nation function for all.

A nation that caters to the ultra-rich, neglects the poor and working poor, and ignores the middle class sows the seeds of its own demise.

Seventh, patriotism is not expressed in the pledge we say, but through the promises we keep both individually and collectively.

Eighth, patriots do not incite r*******n or i**********n.

Patriots do not promote and traffic in h**e, or h**e speech, or h**eful actions. In fact, all of those are the antithesis of patriotism in America.

Ninth, patriots make room for the vast number of people who are not like them.

They provide space for those whose heart language is not their own, all the while giving others a compelling reason to fall in love with this land of opportunity and promise.

We make room for all people – for everyone who comes to our shores with different faith traditions than our own, realizing, once again, that the Bill of Rights grants us all the right to believe, or not believe, as our conscience dictates because the state has no claim on the soul.

Finally, patriotism is being a good neighbor – whether that neighbor is next door, in the next community, in some other state or somewhere else in the world.

Patriotism is no small word, no small thing and no small issue.

It is what binds Americans together and, in being together, we shoulder the burden of moving this nation forward toward liberty and justice for all and making sure that no one is left behind.
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Michael Chancellor is a private practice counselor working with veterans and survivors of trauma, he recently relocated to Round Rock, Texas, to be closer to family. Previously, Chancellor served four churches in Texas for 33 years, then ran a Mental Health Department of Alan B. Polunsky Maximum Security prison which houses death row.
https://goodfaithmedia.org/lets-talk-patriotism-wh... (show quote)


I believe you just posted a 'Conservative Manifesto'.

Now get the lefties to go along with it.

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Oct 6, 2021 19:25:30   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
American Vet wrote:
I believe you just posted a 'Conservative Manifesto'.

Now get the lefties to go along with it.

I look upon it more as a 'Patriot's Manifesto', of which all Americans (left & right) should go along with it.

Not all of either do.

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Oct 6, 2021 20:09:19   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
Most with clarity of thought would assume the following quote from the article includes all who are violent and/or commit atrocities..."Patriots do not promote and traffic in h**e, or h**e speech, or h**eful actions. In fact, all of those are the antithesis of patriotism in America."

One day you may think objectively.


In reality, those are just reflective of the bad element in society.

Thats some nice prose but he is not one who gets to decide what is and isn’t patriotic. People have different ideas on how to support their country. I don’t agree with what a lot of people do but can’t call them unpatriotic because of that. For example, to continue v****g for deadbeats and the lesser of two evils could be argued that thats not supporting one’s country.

The word ‘patriot’ has been weaponized - by both right and left.

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Oct 6, 2021 20:59:01   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
In reality, those are just reflective of the bad element in society.

Thats some nice prose but he is not one who gets to decide what is and isn’t patriotic. People have different ideas on how to support their country. I don’t agree with what a lot of people do but can’t call them unpatriotic because of that. For example, to continue v****g for deadbeats and the lesser of two evils could be argued that thats not supporting one’s country.

The word ‘patriot’ has been weaponized - by both right and left.
In reality, those are just reflective of the bad e... (show quote)


Well said

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Oct 6, 2021 21:35:17   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
slatten49 wrote:
Most with clarity of thought would assume the following quote from the article includes all who are violent and/or commit atrocities..."Patriots do not promote and traffic in h**e, or h**e speech, or h**eful actions. In fact, all of those are the antithesis of patriotism in America."

One day you may think objectively.



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Oct 6, 2021 21:36:57   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://goodfaithmedia.org/lets-talk-patriotism-what-it-is-and-is-not/

Let’s Talk Patriotism – What It Is and Is Not

by Michael Chancellor, Oct 5, 2021

I grew up in the home of a patriot who did not make a big deal about his military service.

My father did not fondle a f**g every time he saw one or wear his patriotism on his sleeve. But he enlisted in the Marines, fought in some of the worst battles in the South Pacific during WWII and was awarded two Purple Hearts.

After being honorably discharged, my father came home, raised a family, respected others, provided for family and extended family, paid his taxes and obeyed the law.

So, the father who raised me, the father I grew up beside, the father I worked beside was the epitome of patriotism. In some ways, he is still the standard by which I measure patriotism.

So, when I hear some radical right winger who stormed the Capitol spoken of as a real “patriot” and those charged with their crimes described as “political prisoners,” frankly, I want to throw up.

Patriotism is not worship. So, what is patriotism in our time?

First, it is a passion and a thirst for a nation to become what it aspired but failed to be from the beginning.

We can shorthand it in “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” for all. Patriots yearn for all to be free to pursue their goals and dreams and opportunities and are aware that until all are free, none are completely free.

Second, patriotism is seeing and acknowledging the failings and flaws of one’s nation – the lack of e******y, justice and opportunity for all – in order to move the nation along to correct those failings and flaws.

Third, patriotism fires a flaming, piercing beacon of hope in this world which will inevitably draw immigrants, refugees and those seeking safety and opportunity.

We know that while we cannot house the entire world within our borders, we can lead the way, by example and initiative, for people to have stable governments of integrity, safety and opportunity.

Fourth, we support the right of all to express their dissatisfaction and concerns, a freedom guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.

We also understand that protests happen wherever a person finds leverage and influence to use in an effort to call attention to injustice. A football player taking a knee is not disgraceful; it is a continuation of a long line of protests dating back to the Boston Tea Party.

Fifth, patriotism is a striving for a truly just judicial system – one with equal representation for all and equal justice for all.

Sixth, patriotism is about everyone playing their part to make this nation function for all.

A nation that caters to the ultra-rich, neglects the poor and working poor, and ignores the middle class sows the seeds of its own demise.

Seventh, patriotism is not expressed in the pledge we say, but through the promises we keep both individually and collectively.

Eighth, patriots do not incite r*******n or i**********n.

Patriots do not promote and traffic in h**e, or h**e speech, or h**eful actions. In fact, all of those are the antithesis of patriotism in America.

Ninth, patriots make room for the vast number of people who are not like them.

They provide space for those whose heart language is not their own, all the while giving others a compelling reason to fall in love with this land of opportunity and promise.

We make room for all people – for everyone who comes to our shores with different faith traditions than our own, realizing, once again, that the Bill of Rights grants us all the right to believe, or not believe, as our conscience dictates because the state has no claim on the soul.

Finally, patriotism is being a good neighbor – whether that neighbor is next door, in the next community, in some other state or somewhere else in the world.

Patriotism is no small word, no small thing and no small issue.

It is what binds Americans together and, in being together, we shoulder the burden of moving this nation forward toward liberty and justice for all and making sure that no one is left behind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Michael Chancellor is a private practice counselor working with veterans and survivors of trauma, he recently relocated to Round Rock, Texas, to be closer to family. Previously, Chancellor served four churches in Texas for 33 years, then ran a Mental Health Department of Alan B. Polunsky Maximum Security prison which houses death row.
https://goodfaithmedia.org/lets-talk-patriotism-wh... (show quote)


That's a lot of gobbledygook for what one guy thinks of what makes a patriot.
Here's what I think.
A patriot is a nationalist.
A patriot loves their country the way it is now and will sacrifice/die for that belief.
Patriotism isn't just for America or American values. Sweden, Mexico, Japan and France have patriots too.
Patriotism has little to do with egalitarian socialism unless that's the law of the land.

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Oct 6, 2021 21:37:49   #
The Ms.
 
Sonny Magoo wrote:
That's a lot of gobbledygook for what one guy thinks of what makes a patriot.
Here's what I think.
A patriot is a nationalist.
A patriot loves their country the way it is now and will sacrifice/die for that belief.
Patriotism isn't just for America or American values. Sweden, Mexico, Japan and France have patriots too.
Patriotism has little to do with egalitarian socialism unless that's the law of the land.


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Oct 6, 2021 22:43:22   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Well said

Rose rarely disappoints with her contributions to this forum...she's a keeper.

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Oct 7, 2021 10:03:38   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://goodfaithmedia.org/lets-talk-patriotism-what-it-is-and-is-not/

Let’s Talk Patriotism – What It Is and Is Not

by Michael Chancellor, Oct 5, 2021

I grew up in the home of a patriot who did not make a big deal about his military service.

My father did not fondle a f**g every time he saw one or wear his patriotism on his sleeve. But he enlisted in the Marines, fought in some of the worst battles in the South Pacific during WWII and was awarded two Purple Hearts.

After being honorably discharged, my father came home, raised a family, respected others, provided for family and extended family, paid his taxes and obeyed the law.

So, the father who raised me, the father I grew up beside, the father I worked beside was the epitome of patriotism. In some ways, he is still the standard by which I measure patriotism.

So, when I hear some radical right winger who stormed the Capitol spoken of as a real “patriot” and those charged with their crimes described as “political prisoners,” frankly, I want to throw up.

Patriotism is not worship. So, what is patriotism in our time?

First, it is a passion and a thirst for a nation to become what it aspired but failed to be from the beginning.

We can shorthand it in “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” for all. Patriots yearn for all to be free to pursue their goals and dreams and opportunities and are aware that until all are free, none are completely free.

Second, patriotism is seeing and acknowledging the failings and flaws of one’s nation – the lack of e******y, justice and opportunity for all – in order to move the nation along to correct those failings and flaws.

Third, patriotism fires a flaming, piercing beacon of hope in this world which will inevitably draw immigrants, refugees and those seeking safety and opportunity.

We know that while we cannot house the entire world within our borders, we can lead the way, by example and initiative, for people to have stable governments of integrity, safety and opportunity.

Fourth, we support the right of all to express their dissatisfaction and concerns, a freedom guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.

We also understand that protests happen wherever a person finds leverage and influence to use in an effort to call attention to injustice. A football player taking a knee is not disgraceful; it is a continuation of a long line of protests dating back to the Boston Tea Party.

Fifth, patriotism is a striving for a truly just judicial system – one with equal representation for all and equal justice for all.

Sixth, patriotism is about everyone playing their part to make this nation function for all.

A nation that caters to the ultra-rich, neglects the poor and working poor, and ignores the middle class sows the seeds of its own demise.

Seventh, patriotism is not expressed in the pledge we say, but through the promises we keep both individually and collectively.

Eighth, patriots do not incite r*******n or i**********n.

Patriots do not promote and traffic in h**e, or h**e speech, or h**eful actions. In fact, all of those are the antithesis of patriotism in America.

Ninth, patriots make room for the vast number of people who are not like them.

They provide space for those whose heart language is not their own, all the while giving others a compelling reason to fall in love with this land of opportunity and promise.

We make room for all people – for everyone who comes to our shores with different faith traditions than our own, realizing, once again, that the Bill of Rights grants us all the right to believe, or not believe, as our conscience dictates because the state has no claim on the soul.

Finally, patriotism is being a good neighbor – whether that neighbor is next door, in the next community, in some other state or somewhere else in the world.

Patriotism is no small word, no small thing and no small issue.

It is what binds Americans together and, in being together, we shoulder the burden of moving this nation forward toward liberty and justice for all and making sure that no one is left behind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Michael Chancellor is a private practice counselor working with veterans and survivors of trauma, he recently relocated to Round Rock, Texas, to be closer to family. Previously, Chancellor served four churches in Texas for 33 years, then ran a Mental Health Department of Alan B. Polunsky Maximum Security prison which houses death row.
https://goodfaithmedia.org/lets-talk-patriotism-wh... (show quote)

It makes me sick when people think their life experiences are the mirror for the whole world and that everybody else should think, believe and agree with their perspective. The reality is, this defines a closed mind!

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Oct 7, 2021 10:04:32   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Not a very subtle message that he thinks liberals are patriots and conservatives are not. It ignores leftwing violence and atrocities. One day you may actually post an objective article.



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Oct 7, 2021 10:07:47   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
slatten49 wrote:
Most with clarity of thought would assume the following quote from the article includes all who are violent and/or commit atrocities..."Patriots do not promote and traffic in h**e, or h**e speech, or h**eful actions. In fact, all of those are the antithesis of patriotism in America."

One day you may think objectively.


Funny how you only mention a conservative incident considering all of the left wing incidents that occurred last year and continue to occur today, a thinking person would hope you might incorporate one or two of those for balance or perspective!

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Oct 7, 2021 10:11:33   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://goodfaithmedia.org/lets-talk-patriotism-what-it-is-and-is-not/

Let’s Talk Patriotism – What It Is and Is Not

by Michael Chancellor, Oct 5, 2021

I grew up in the home of a patriot who did not make a big deal about his military service.

My father did not fondle a f**g every time he saw one or wear his patriotism on his sleeve. But he enlisted in the Marines, fought in some of the worst battles in the South Pacific during WWII and was awarded two Purple Hearts.

After being honorably discharged, my father came home, raised a family, respected others, provided for family and extended family, paid his taxes and obeyed the law.

So, the father who raised me, the father I grew up beside, the father I worked beside was the epitome of patriotism. In some ways, he is still the standard by which I measure patriotism.

So, when I hear some radical right winger who stormed the Capitol spoken of as a real “patriot” and those charged with their crimes described as “political prisoners,” frankly, I want to throw up.

Patriotism is not worship. So, what is patriotism in our time?

First, it is a passion and a thirst for a nation to become what it aspired but failed to be from the beginning.

We can shorthand it in “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” for all. Patriots yearn for all to be free to pursue their goals and dreams and opportunities and are aware that until all are free, none are completely free.

Second, patriotism is seeing and acknowledging the failings and flaws of one’s nation – the lack of e******y, justice and opportunity for all – in order to move the nation along to correct those failings and flaws.

Third, patriotism fires a flaming, piercing beacon of hope in this world which will inevitably draw immigrants, refugees and those seeking safety and opportunity.

We know that while we cannot house the entire world within our borders, we can lead the way, by example and initiative, for people to have stable governments of integrity, safety and opportunity.

Fourth, we support the right of all to express their dissatisfaction and concerns, a freedom guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.

We also understand that protests happen wherever a person finds leverage and influence to use in an effort to call attention to injustice. A football player taking a knee is not disgraceful; it is a continuation of a long line of protests dating back to the Boston Tea Party.

Fifth, patriotism is a striving for a truly just judicial system – one with equal representation for all and equal justice for all.

Sixth, patriotism is about everyone playing their part to make this nation function for all.

A nation that caters to the ultra-rich, neglects the poor and working poor, and ignores the middle class sows the seeds of its own demise.

Seventh, patriotism is not expressed in the pledge we say, but through the promises we keep both individually and collectively.

Eighth, patriots do not incite r*******n or i**********n.

Patriots do not promote and traffic in h**e, or h**e speech, or h**eful actions. In fact, all of those are the antithesis of patriotism in America.

Ninth, patriots make room for the vast number of people who are not like them.

They provide space for those whose heart language is not their own, all the while giving others a compelling reason to fall in love with this land of opportunity and promise.

We make room for all people – for everyone who comes to our shores with different faith traditions than our own, realizing, once again, that the Bill of Rights grants us all the right to believe, or not believe, as our conscience dictates because the state has no claim on the soul.

Finally, patriotism is being a good neighbor – whether that neighbor is next door, in the next community, in some other state or somewhere else in the world.

Patriotism is no small word, no small thing and no small issue.

It is what binds Americans together and, in being together, we shoulder the burden of moving this nation forward toward liberty and justice for all and making sure that no one is left behind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Michael Chancellor is a private practice counselor working with veterans and survivors of trauma, he recently relocated to Round Rock, Texas, to be closer to family. Previously, Chancellor served four churches in Texas for 33 years, then ran a Mental Health Department of Alan B. Polunsky Maximum Security prison which houses death row.
https://goodfaithmedia.org/lets-talk-patriotism-wh... (show quote)


No, let’s not talk patriotism let’s live it instead! But you’re right about it is not a small word, a small thing or a small issue…

Glad to see you back hope you had a great time running around.

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Oct 7, 2021 10:16:23   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
microphor wrote:
Funny how you only mention a conservative incident considering all of the left wing incidents that occurred last year and continue to occur today, a thinking person would hope you might incorporate one or two of those for balance or perspective!

It was a cut' paste article. I didn't write nor did I choose to editorialize it. I rightly figured some of you would do so.

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Oct 7, 2021 12:04:49   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
No, let’s not talk patriotism let’s live it instead! But you’re right about it is not a small word, a small thing or a small issue…

Glad to see you back hope you had a great time running around.

Your first line presents a good message, LJ

OPP being a political forum, it is an exception (outside of humor/cartoons) when one finds or presents threads or posts that are apolitical. I can think of no poster that consistently does. Even then, many read biases into anything posted. Sometimes, I suspect that even a posted weather report would be blamed on an ideological grouping.

Being apolitical isn't inherently bad, but seeing as how politics affect our way of life it would be wise to at least pay attention to the political things happening in the world. A good friend, SmedleyBuzK**l, once posted that the good thing about OPP posters is that they care enough to participate in what could loosely be called political discourse. Yet, just as in Congress, there are those that get so caught up that they h**e everything and everyone that disagrees with their political views. That is clearly demonstrated on this forum. One can certainly understand why there are (if not on OPP) apolitical people.

BTW, your input is always appreciated.

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Oct 7, 2021 12:06:32   #
The Ms.
 
microphor wrote:
It makes me sick when people think their life experiences are the mirror for the whole world and that everybody else should think, believe and agree with their perspective. The reality is, this defines a closed mind!


Unfortunately, that is true! When I was a Manager I had to tell people I didn’t know what they were talking about…. Not in my realm of experience. Some were young and I had no clue why they were complaining. It was on me to figure it out I think this is where we started to go sideways in this country. Figured the kids would learn the hard way…..stopped arguing with them. Just a thought.

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