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Oct 7, 2021 17:32:06   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Zemirah wrote:
When We Choose to Believe God's Word


"In the Beginning" - Bereshit, in Hebrew

"In the very beginning (Bereshit), God (Elohim) created…"(Genesis 1:1)
God is before anything in existence, prior to the start of anything that is.

In the Hebrew Bible, Elohim is plural in form, although it usually refers to the deity who is the God of Israel. It is used with a singular verb. At times it refers to deities in the plural. The word is the plural form of the word Eloah and related to El.

Commentaries on Genesis today range from the fanciful to the technical. The book of beginnings has been debated for centuries by thologians, linguists, and scientists.

There are pastors and teachers in the world of Christendom today who teach that it does not matter what we believe about the book of Genesis. It does not matter if there were really six 24-hour days in which God created, or if millions of years were required. It does not matter if there was death before Adam’s sin of disobedience, i.e., rebellion against God. It does not matter if Adam was actually a real person, or merely an allegory.

Over the past four generations, Christianity has precipitated from a large majority belief system among those who came of age during the first half of the 20th century to something less than 15 percent of young adults entering educational institutions and the workforce today.

Our youth is told that it does not matter whether they accept God's word, as He saw fit to inspire His prophets to write it.

Expert "church leaders" insist that they believe the Bible to be true, but, somehow, a literalist "interpretation" offends them in its simplicity – even when an interpretation of Genesis is not proffered, but the book of Genesis is simply read, believed, and accepted as the very word of God.

These same pastors and teachers do not have the same problem in looking forward to the New Heavens and the New Earth that God will one day provide. Whatever their eschatology, few notables of the Christian church expect to wait millions of years for the New Heavens and New Earth God has promised to provide to gradually "evolve." They fully expect that God will make these places appear in an instant, as He has prophesied that He will do.

They are also adamant in their belief that the idea of a world without death as presented in Genesis was a myth. Yet, they faithfully quote Revelation 21:4 - that there will be no more death. How can anyone expect a new place with literally no death to materialize if the recording that there was a deathless paradise at the beginning of time was just a myth?

In Revelation 22:3, Jesus revealed to the Apostle John that in the world to come there will be no existing curse upon His creation.There are pastors, professors, and church leaders today who profess they expect this to be literally true, yet do not believe there was initially an earthly paradise in Genesis 1 in which there was no curse until Adam sinned.

All these issues readily fall into place for those who choose, in faith, to believe the words of the Living Logos, as related to God's prophets by the Holy Spirit, in the book of Genesis, the book of Beginnings - to believe God’s word, the word of Elohim.


References
Hebrew Words, by Avital Snow
Paul F. Taylor, Writer on Creation Science for 35 years.
Dr. Henry M. Morris III, Creation Institute
Dr. Robert Jeffress
When We Choose to Believe God's Word br br br &q... (show quote)



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Oct 8, 2021 02:29:41   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Thanks Peewee,

I do hope your brother is on the mend.


Peewee wrote:

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Oct 9, 2021 01:31:24   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
TexaCan wrote:
Perhaps that one Baptist Sunday School teacher had a reason for not “encouraging” questions……perhaps he/she had a student/students that was a constant interruption in the class. This seems to be another one of your sweeping judgmental statements that is based on one occurrence. What was the denomination of the “several” churches in your statement. It isn’t clear if you are judging just the Baptist in your two comments about Sunday School teachers to Parky and Zemirah! You of all people, should know that the teaching style of any teacher is on the teacher not the school/church!

I’m curious, yesterday you remarked that “the revelations” was nothing more than psychotic ramblings that “appeals” to some. How can you consider the first book of the Bible as authentic and desirable to understand and study but completely ignore the last book of the Bible, Revelation. Is not the end as important as the beginning? Of course, if you read Revelation you will understand that it is far from the end of the story! Jesus Christ returns!
Perhaps that one Baptist Sunday School teacher had... (show quote)


That's a fair question...

Firstly, Genesis is collaborated by several other ancient religions...

Secondly, Genesis doesn't focus on random prediction, nor is it in any way cryptic...

Thirdly, Genesis includes direct interactions with God...

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Oct 9, 2021 01:33:29   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Parky60 wrote:
So books like Isaiah have nothing to say? Why don't you read it...chapter 5 verse 21 in particular. I'll even throw you a bone and provide a translation that someone of your mental caliber might understand. And just so you know I'm being perfectly clear, this verse is describing you!

What sorrow for those who are wise in their own eyes and think themselves so clever. Isaiah 5:21 (NLT)


Thanks... That deflection was humorous

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Oct 9, 2021 04:18:43   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Proverbs 14:13 "Even in laughter the heart may ache, and the end of joy may be grief."

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Thanks... That deflection was humorous

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Oct 9, 2021 09:34:36   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
That's a fair question...

Firstly, Genesis is collaborated by several other ancient religions...

Secondly, Genesis doesn't focus on random prediction, nor is it in any way cryptic...

Thirdly, Genesis includes direct interactions with God...


Do you know that the Bible is almost 1/3 in what you refer as “random predictions!” One of those was the birth of Jesus Christ, the Son of God! The return of Jesus Christ will also come true, along with every prophecy in Revelation. Can you explain why any future “random predictions” from the Bible would be doubted if all up until this point has been proven to be correct? Prophecy is continually being fulfilled, it’s happening all around us…..ignoring it will not make it any less true.

Of course other religions borrow from the Bible, after all it is The Word of our Creator….every word was directed by God! The instigator of all these other false religions is Satan! He knows the truth and he knows how to use just enough of it to control and convince others to believe in his deception!

The longer you post on this forum, the more confused and the further you get from the truth of God’s Word. You are letting false teachers lead you down a very dangerous path.

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Oct 9, 2021 11:31:02   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
TexaCan wrote:
Do you know that the Bible is almost 1/3 in what you refer as “random predictions!” One of those was the birth of Jesus Christ, the Son of God! The return of Jesus Christ will also come true, along with every prophecy in Revelation. Can you explain why any future “random predictions” from the Bible would be doubted if all up until this point has been proven to be correct? Prophecy is continually being fulfilled, it’s happening all around us…..ignoring it will not make it any less true.

Of course other religions borrow from the Bible, after all it is The Word of our Creator….every word was directed by God! The instigator of all these other false religions is Satan! He knows the truth and he knows how to use just enough of it to control and convince others to believe in his deception!

The longer you post on this forum, the more confused and the further you get from the truth of God’s Word. You are letting false teachers lead you down a very dangerous path.
Do you know that the Bible is almost 1/3 in what y... (show quote)


Ummm no...

But I'll assume that you believe that's true...

Post scripting is always fun

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Oct 9, 2021 20:34:01   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Ummm no...

But I'll assume that you believe that's true...

Post scripting is always fun


What post scripting would that be exactly? An example and proof? Or is this just more of your supercilious attitude to cover your obtuse knowledge of God’s Word?

There is little evidence that you know what you believe with your continuing discombobulated comments! 😉

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Oct 10, 2021 00:54:09   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
TexaCan wrote:
What post scripting would that be exactly? An example and proof? Or is this just more of your supercilious attitude to cover your obtuse knowledge of God’s Word?

There is little evidence that you know what you believe with your continuing discombobulated comments! 😉


Point for using "discombobulated"

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Oct 10, 2021 08:04:37   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Point for using "discombobulated"


Two points for proving my point! 😉

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Oct 24, 2021 00:35:15   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
Zemirah wrote:
When We Choose to Believe God's Word


"In the Beginning" - Bereshit, in Hebrew

"In the very beginning (Bereshit), God (Elohim) created…"(Genesis 1:1)
God is before anything in existence, prior to the start of anything that is.

In the Hebrew Bible, Elohim is plural in form, although it usually refers to the deity who is the God of Israel. It is used with a singular verb. At times it refers to deities in the plural. The word is the plural form of the word Eloah and related to El.

Commentaries on Genesis today range from the fanciful to the technical. The book of beginnings has been debated for centuries by thologians, linguists, and scientists.

There are pastors and teachers in the world of Christendom today who teach that it does not matter what we believe about the book of Genesis. It does not matter if there were really six 24-hour days in which God created, or if millions of years were required. It does not matter if there was death before Adam’s sin of disobedience, i.e., rebellion against God. It does not matter if Adam was actually a real person, or merely an allegory.

Over the past four generations, Christianity has precipitated from a large majority belief system among those who came of age during the first half of the 20th century to something less than 15 percent of young adults entering educational institutions and the workforce today.

Our youth is told that it does not matter whether they accept God's word, as He saw fit to inspire His prophets to write it.

Expert "church leaders" insist that they believe the Bible to be true, but, somehow, a literalist "interpretation" offends them in its simplicity – even when an interpretation of Genesis is not proffered, but the book of Genesis is simply read, believed, and accepted as the very word of God.

These same pastors and teachers do not have the same problem in looking forward to the New Heavens and the New Earth that God will one day provide. Whatever their eschatology, few notables of the Christian church expect to wait millions of years for the New Heavens and New Earth God has promised to provide to gradually "evolve." They fully expect that God will make these places appear in an instant, as He has prophesied that He will do.

They are also adamant in their belief that the idea of a world without death as presented in Genesis was a myth. Yet, they faithfully quote Revelation 21:4 - that there will be no more death. How can anyone expect a new place with literally no death to materialize if the recording that there was a deathless paradise at the beginning of time was just a myth?

In Revelation 22:3, Jesus revealed to the Apostle John that in the world to come there will be no existing curse upon His creation.There are pastors, professors, and church leaders today who profess they expect this to be literally true, yet do not believe there was initially an earthly paradise in Genesis 1 in which there was no curse until Adam sinned.

All these issues readily fall into place for those who choose, in faith, to believe the words of the Living Logos, as related to God's prophets by the Holy Spirit, in the book of Genesis, the book of Beginnings - to believe God’s word, the word of Elohim.


References
Hebrew Words, by Avital Snow
Paul F. Taylor, Writer on Creation Science for 35 years.
Dr. Henry M. Morris III, Creation Institute
Dr. Robert Jeffress
When We Choose to Believe God's Word br br br &q... (show quote)


Amen

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Oct 25, 2021 17:45:42   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Zemirah wrote:
When We Choose to Believe God's Word


"In the Beginning" - Bereshit, in Hebrew

"In the very beginning (Bereshit), God (Elohim) created…"(Genesis 1:1)
God is before anything in existence, prior to the start of anything that is.

In the Hebrew Bible, Elohim is plural in form, although it usually refers to the deity who is the God of Israel. It is used with a singular verb. At times it refers to deities in the plural. The word is the plural form of the word Eloah and related to El.

Commentaries on Genesis today range from the fanciful to the technical. The book of beginnings has been debated for centuries by thologians, linguists, and scientists.

There are pastors and teachers in the world of Christendom today who teach that it does not matter what we believe about the book of Genesis. It does not matter if there were really six 24-hour days in which God created, or if millions of years were required. It does not matter if there was death before Adam’s sin of disobedience, i.e., rebellion against God. It does not matter if Adam was actually a real person, or merely an allegory.

Over the past four generations, Christianity has precipitated from a large majority belief system among those who came of age during the first half of the 20th century to something less than 15 percent of young adults entering educational institutions and the workforce today.

Our youth is told that it does not matter whether they accept God's word, as He saw fit to inspire His prophets to write it.

Expert "church leaders" insist that they believe the Bible to be true, but, somehow, a literalist "interpretation" offends them in its simplicity – even when an interpretation of Genesis is not proffered, but the book of Genesis is simply read, believed, and accepted as the very word of God.

These same pastors and teachers do not have the same problem in looking forward to the New Heavens and the New Earth that God will one day provide. Whatever their eschatology, few notables of the Christian church expect to wait millions of years for the New Heavens and New Earth God has promised to provide to gradually "evolve." They fully expect that God will make these places appear in an instant, as He has prophesied that He will do.

They are also adamant in their belief that the idea of a world without death as presented in Genesis was a myth. Yet, they faithfully quote Revelation 21:4 - that there will be no more death. How can anyone expect a new place with literally no death to materialize if the recording that there was a deathless paradise at the beginning of time was just a myth?

In Revelation 22:3, Jesus revealed to the Apostle John that in the world to come there will be no existing curse upon His creation.There are pastors, professors, and church leaders today who profess they expect this to be literally true, yet do not believe there was initially an earthly paradise in Genesis 1 in which there was no curse until Adam sinned.

All these issues readily fall into place for those who choose, in faith, to believe the words of the Living Logos, as related to God's prophets by the Holy Spirit, in the book of Genesis, the book of Beginnings - to believe God’s word, the word of Elohim.


References
Hebrew Words, by Avital Snow
Paul F. Taylor, Writer on Creation Science for 35 years.
Dr. Henry M. Morris III, Creation Institute
Dr. Robert Jeffress
When We Choose to Believe God's Word br br br &q... (show quote)


Strong's Hebrew English Morphology
7225 [e] בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית
bə-rê-šîṯ In the beginning Prep-b | N-fs
1254 [e] בָּרָ֣א
bā-rā created V-Qal-Perf-3ms
430 [e] אֱלֹהִ֑ים
’ĕ-lō-hîm; God N-mp
853 [e] אֵ֥ת
’êṯ - DirObjM
8064 [e] הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם
haš-šā-ma-yim the heavens Art | N-mp
853 [e] וְאֵ֥ת
wə-’êṯ and Conj-w | DirObjM
776 [e] הָאָֽרֶץ׃
hā-’ā-reṣ. the earth Art | N-fs



In the beginning created God (Jesus) the heavens and the earth.
That’s how it literally is in hebrew.
I added the parenthetical Jesus myself as that’s what l was taught that the word that is not translated is.

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Nov 2, 2021 07:52:14   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Marty, the Hebrew word translated as "God" in that passage is the plural noun, "Elohim," which = Father, Son, and Holy Spirit = the Triune God.


Marty 2020 wrote:
Strong's Hebrew English Morphology
7225 [e] בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית
bə-rê-šîṯ In the beginning Prep-b | N-fs
1254 [e] בָּרָ֣א
bā-rā created V-Qal-Perf-3ms
430 [e] אֱלֹהִ֑ים
’ĕ-lō-hîm; God N-mp
853 [e] אֵ֥ת
’êṯ - DirObjM
8064 [e] הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם
haš-šā-ma-yim the heavens Art | N-mp
853 [e] וְאֵ֥ת
wə-’êṯ and Conj-w | DirObjM
776 [e] הָאָֽרֶץ׃
hā-’ā-reṣ. the earth Art | N-fs



In the beginning created God (Jesus) the heavens and the earth.
That’s how it literally is in hebrew.
I added the parenthetical Jesus myself as that’s what l was taught that the word that is not translated is.
Strong's Hebrew English Morphology br 7225 e בְּ... (show quote)

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Nov 2, 2021 09:16:46   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Zemirah wrote:
Marty, the Hebrew word translated as "God" in that passage is the plural noun, "Elohim," which = Father, Son, and Holy Spirit = the Triune God.


The term Elohim is used in many places in the OT... And in none of them does it indicate a Trinity... At times it even refers to other gods...

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Nov 2, 2021 10:20:05   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Zemirah wrote:
Marty, the Hebrew word translated as "God" in that passage is the plural noun, "Elohim," which = Father, Son, and Holy Spirit = the Triune God.


êṯ
There’s an apostrophe before the e.
This is the word I am referring to.
It’s not part of the translation.
I’m told that it refers to the Jesus/Son/Word part of the Triune God.
Maybe I’m wrong.

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