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Sep 28, 2021 16:54:20   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Michael, From my posts, you can clearly see that I am a hundred percent against Trump. My issues are not progressive, they are American. I am for curtailing green house gasses. I am against Trump and everything he stands for, because he is a sociopath, not because he is conservative. If Trump were a Democrat,( which he once was) I would v**e for anybody else, or write in for somebody else. I clearly am a passionate man in my beliefs. They are liberal, but not progressive. I do agree with some of the progressive ideas, but certainly not all. I am a liberal!
Michael, From my posts, you can clearly see that I... (show quote)




So you are for the progressive immigration at the border.

Because Trump is very much against it.

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Sep 28, 2021 16:59:18   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
And radically left of center like slanten!


100% correct.

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Sep 28, 2021 17:08:04   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
moldyoldy wrote:
He h**ed Muslims, Mexicans,B****s, Jews, refugees, unless they were rich.


That's an outright lie engrained in your head by Don Lemon.

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Sep 28, 2021 18:20:09   #
debeda
 
Michael Rich wrote:
That's an outright lie engrained in your head by Don Lemon.


Absolutely 👍👍👍

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Sep 28, 2021 21:59:50   #
markc Loc: Tennessee
 
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Sep 29, 2021 10:52:19   #
Ricktloml
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
As everybody that participates in OPP knows, I am to the left of center. I consider myself an old fashioned FDR- JFK liberal, not a " progressive. The two terms are often used interchangeably, but not by me. I am for an increased minimum wage, better health care, and above all civil rights, as well as other liberal programs.
The new progressive movement a la Bernie Sands and Omar presents a problem for me. First of all, the progressive call to spend three trillion bucks plus on their program, without presenting a plan to pay for it. Thats a hell of a lot of money.
I don't like giving money to people without some kind of goal. It seems to me that if we give a lot of money to everybody that asks for it, we are doing them harm. We need to improve the little guys life, but not do away with the incentive to work. Why should anybody work, if they get money for doing nothing? Have you noticed that high school kids are not working in spite of all the help wanted signs all over the place? I don't know about you, but I started working at twelve, putting together the Sunday New York Times in a candy store. I haven't missed a days work since I was married fifty two years ago. Thats why I'm not a progressive!
As everybody that participates in OPP knows, I am ... (show quote)



My daughter delivers supplies to many businesses in an industrial park. They have commented that they cannot find anyone to accept any job. Why? They can make more money collecting unemployment.
Congratulations on your 52 year marriage. I lost my wonderful sweetheart of 33 years to cancer several years ago, cherish your time together

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Sep 29, 2021 11:04:59   #
Ricktloml
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Marx saw that the elite would take over with capitalism and control everything. Our bought and paid for politicians prove his point. Progressives support a system that is fairer to all people.
Marxism is a social, political, and economic philosophy named after Karl Marx. It examines the effect of capitalism on labor, productivity, and economic development and argues for a worker revolution to overturn capitalism in favor of c*******m.


And Marxism has failed, (and failed miserably,) EVERY single time it's been tried...to the tune of over 112 MILLION deaths at the hands of their own socialist/c*******t/f*****t governments, can't make a c*******t society without breaking a few million eggs,(murdering of your citizens.) Capitalism isn't perfect, (NO system run by man will ever be.) But capitalism involves VOLUNTARY associations. C*******m/socialism/f*****m/collectivism-all left-wing systems rely on forcing citizens to be serfs. It is no wonder if people have a choice, they choose capitalism, not serfdom. And if you don't think that socialist/c*******t/f*****t governments aren't run by people who consider themselves elites you have obviously overlooked those leaders of these countries who live like royalty while their subjects, (they certainly don't have any advantages a citizen would have,) have a subsistence way of life.

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Sep 29, 2021 11:42:16   #
moldyoldy
 
Ricktloml wrote:
And Marxism has failed, (and failed miserably,) EVERY single time it's been tried...to the tune of over 112 MILLION deaths at the hands of their own socialist/c*******t/f*****t governments, can't make a c*******t society without breaking a few million eggs,(murdering of your citizens.) Capitalism isn't perfect, (NO system run by man will ever be.) But capitalism involves VOLUNTARY associations. C*******m/socialism/f*****m/collectivism-all left-wing systems rely on forcing citizens to be serfs. It is no wonder if people have a choice, they choose capitalism, not serfdom. And if you don't think that socialist/c*******t/f*****t governments aren't run by people who consider themselves elites you have obviously overlooked those leaders of these countries who live like royalty while their subjects, (they certainly don't have any advantages a citizen would have,) have a subsistence way of life.
And Marxism has failed, (and failed miserably,) EV... (show quote)


The scare tactic that you use has no relevance to the policies of any Democrats.

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Sep 29, 2021 11:42:55   #
debeda
 
Ricktloml wrote:
And Marxism has failed, (and failed miserably,) EVERY single time it's been tried...to the tune of over 112 MILLION deaths at the hands of their own socialist/c*******t/f*****t governments, can't make a c*******t society without breaking a few million eggs,(murdering of your citizens.) Capitalism isn't perfect, (NO system run by man will ever be.) But capitalism involves VOLUNTARY associations. C*******m/socialism/f*****m/collectivism-all left-wing systems rely on forcing citizens to be serfs. It is no wonder if people have a choice, they choose capitalism, not serfdom. And if you don't think that socialist/c*******t/f*****t governments aren't run by people who consider themselves elites you have obviously overlooked those leaders of these countries who live like royalty while their subjects, (they certainly don't have any advantages a citizen would have,) have a subsistence way of life.
And Marxism has failed, (and failed miserably,) EV... (show quote)


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Sep 29, 2021 11:46:09   #
moldyoldy
 
Ricktloml wrote:
My daughter delivers supplies to many businesses in an industrial park. They have commented that they cannot find anyone to accept any job. Why? They can make more money collecting unemployment.
Congratulations on your 52 year marriage. I lost my wonderful sweetheart of 33 years to cancer several years ago, cherish your time together


Men are going back to work, many women have a problem with science age children and younger kids. The caregivers have not returned. The salaries are no incentive for them. This creates a sort of trickle up problem.

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Sep 29, 2021 11:54:54   #
debeda
 
moldyoldy wrote:
The scare tactic that you use has no relevance to the policies of any Democrats.


You'd better wake up, Moldy, cuz you, like the rest of us, are just one of the plebes.

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Sep 30, 2021 00:10:39   #
Ricktloml
 
moldyoldy wrote:
The scare tactic that you use has no relevance to the policies of any Democrats.


Socialism/c*******m are the policies of the Democrat/C*******t Party and mirror the c*******t manifesto.

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Sep 30, 2021 08:20:22   #
moldyoldy
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Socialism/c*******m are the policies of the Democrat/C*******t Party and mirror the c*******t manifesto.


Are you enjoying your social security?

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Sep 30, 2021 11:36:39   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
If this was true you would not v**e for Democrats. You say you are not a "progressive" but you never miss a chance to v**e for one.


Liberty, That all depends on who you call a progressive. Obama, and Biden are considered moderates in the Democratic Party. I wouldn't ever v**e for Rep. Omar or Sen. Bernie Sanders.

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Sep 30, 2021 12:55:58   #
debeda
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Are you enjoying your social security?


Not for long.

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