woodguru

I've always said that healthcare, especially universal and medicare has a certain element of people needing to do their part....I'll use my mother as an example, nothing shows impartiality like hard positions against even a mother.

She was obese, as in fat...needed to lose at least 150 pounds to be anywhere near decent shape... and she needed knee and hip replacement surgeries.

I'd been pushing her for years to lose weight, opening a can of worms about how she couldn't. As best I could tell she believed she was a person who's body could make fat out of 1000 calories a day. She would stay with us for a few weeks and lose a consistent five pounds a week.

I was rather ruthless with her in terms of saying that as far as I'm concerned, several hundred grand worth of surgeries should require lose the weight first standards. I flat consider it a waste of money to do surgeries on people that don't have the will power to lose weight as a condition of getting surgeries.

Long story short...she got hips and knees at several hundred grand and didn't do squat to use her newfound mobility to do anything.

So money aside, the idea of maxing out hospitals with people who might be there for weeks or even months using ICU resources that should be for people who care about themselves and others.

JW

I see your point. I feel a lot like that about people who demonstrate an inability to think for themselves. Why waste all that talent and all those resources to maintain someone whose contribution to society is so much fecal matter and nothing more.

So all the material considerations aside, the idea of supporting people, then maintaining them, simply as place-holders seems utterly repugnant. Why not reserve those resources for those who really make a difference.

(sarcasm!)

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Yes... Healthcare should carry some responsibilities...

People who engage in poor choices should cover the costs themselves...

Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas

All that to end it with fat people don't care about themselves or others...... besides, we need those ICUs for the g****r confused and their tax funded surgeries.

Our office put in a workout room, showers..etc... every morning brought in a variety of fresh fruits and healthy options under the BC/BS wellness program........ and vendors set their doughnuts and breakfast tacos on the same kitchen counter...... threw alot of fruit away daily...... and goes on to this day.

Smedley_buzkill

You are aware that many hospitals have lowered standards for accepting C***d patients? People who would have been sent home in January are admitted today. Couple that with the CDC's convenient rule about v******tions; you aren't considered v******ted until 2 weeks after the v******tion. The ostensible reason that it takes that long for the v*****e to work. Maybe so, but 80% of the deaths and most of the serious side effects also happen during that window. No wonder so many admissions are "unv******ted." The UK and Israel apparently have no such fudging, since their "v******ted" admissions are far higher than ours. Some 35% to 40% in the UK and more than half in Israel, Israel being the most v******ted country on Earth.
Why do countries in Southeast Asia have such a low infection rate? Could it be because they don't test everyone who can fog a mirror. You have to show symptoms. Bear in mind that many of the tests used in the past and still in use today cannot tell the difference between C***d and the Delta variant, or C***d and the plain old flu. I am not sure why so many of the new infections are automatically called Delta, since the tests used in most of the cases cannot differentiate.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Not a fan of your new avatar...

Thought you were above that...