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Oct 8, 2021 17:16:23   #
Rose42
 
Zemirah wrote:
Thank you for your wisdom and common sense, Rose.

It had never occurred to me anywhere or at anytime to care who spoke last, whatever the venue, but there is a natural tendency to correct inaccuracies, to say nothing of outright lies, whenever confronted by them.


You are correcting inaccuracies but the recipient is not receptive. We can only pray that changes.

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Oct 8, 2021 17:32:06   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Actually, it does just that, Michael, for those "who search for Him with their whole heart (Jeremiah 29:13)," but not in one block busting paragraph as you demand it.

Isaiah 28-10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" This is referring to how the Israelites had to be taught.

According to the Lord Jesus, who turned the world on its head, the experience of Jonah is another prophecy (by type and/or analogy) which prefigured the death and resurrection of the Moshiach/Christ:

Then some of the experts in the law along with some Pharisees answered him, ‘Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.’ But he answered them, ‘An evil and adulterous generation asks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For just as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish for three days and three nights, so the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. The people of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented when Jonah preached to them – and now, something greater than Jonah is here!’” (Matthew 12:38-41)

And:

“As the crowds were increasing, Jesus began to say, ‘This generation is a wicked generation; it looks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah. For just as Jonah became a sign to the people of Nineveh, so the Son of Man will be a sign to this generation. The queen of the South will rise up at the judgment with the people of this generation and condemn them, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon – and now, something greater than Solomon is here! The people of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented when Jonah preached to them – and now, something greater than Jonah is here!’” (Luke 11:29-32)


Michael Rich wrote:
Doesn't sway me even a tiny bit.

Nowhere in the entire Tanach does it say anything about a resurrected man/god for the forgiveness of sins.

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Oct 9, 2021 19:57:49   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Zemirah wrote:
Actually, it does just that, Michael, for those "who search for Him with their whole heart (Jeremiah 29:13)," but not in one block busting paragraph as you demand it.

Isaiah 28-10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" This is referring to how the Israelites had to be taught.

According to the Lord Jesus, who turned the world on its head, the experience of Jonah is another prophecy (by type and/or analogy) which prefigured the death and resurrection of the Moshiach/Christ:

Then some of the experts in the law along with some Pharisees answered him, ‘Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.’ But he answered them, ‘An evil and adulterous generation asks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For just as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish for three days and three nights, so the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. The people of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented when Jonah preached to them – and now, something greater than Jonah is here!’” (Matthew 12:38-41)

And:

“As the crowds were increasing, Jesus began to say, ‘This generation is a wicked generation; it looks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah. For just as Jonah became a sign to the people of Nineveh, so the Son of Man will be a sign to this generation. The queen of the South will rise up at the judgment with the people of this generation and condemn them, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon – and now, something greater than Solomon is here! The people of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented when Jonah preached to them – and now, something greater than Jonah is here!’” (Luke 11:29-32)
Actually, it does just that, Michael, for those &q... (show quote)




Do you even get the fact that scripture says that you are pagan.

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Oct 9, 2021 20:01:42   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Zemirah wrote:
Actually, it does just that, Michael, for those "who search for Him with their whole heart (Jeremiah 29:13)," but not in one block busting paragraph as you demand it.

Isaiah 28-10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" This is referring to how the Israelites had to be taught.

According to the Lord Jesus, who turned the world on its head, the experience of Jonah is another prophecy (by type and/or analogy) which prefigured the death and resurrection of the Moshiach/Christ:

Then some of the experts in the law along with some Pharisees answered him, ‘Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.’ But he answered them, ‘An evil and adulterous generation asks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For just as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish for three days and three nights, so the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. The people of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented when Jonah preached to them – and now, something greater than Jonah is here!’” (Matthew 12:38-41)

And:

“As the crowds were increasing, Jesus began to say, ‘This generation is a wicked generation; it looks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah. For just as Jonah became a sign to the people of Nineveh, so the Son of Man will be a sign to this generation. The queen of the South will rise up at the judgment with the people of this generation and condemn them, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon – and now, something greater than Solomon is here! The people of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented when Jonah preached to them – and now, something greater than Jonah is here!’” (Luke 11:29-32)
Actually, it does just that, Michael, for those &q... (show quote)




Again for the people who are slow to comprehend.

Nowhere In The Jewish Scriptures Does It Say Anything About Believing In A Reserrected Messiah.

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Oct 10, 2021 09:23:41   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Slow to comprehend? Michael, how resurrected would you be after deliverance from a 3 days and three night stay in the belly of a whale? I leave your topic saddened but not perplexed by your free choice to reject all there is.

Jonah 1:17: "And the LORD appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights."

Matthew 12:38-40 "Then some of the scribes and Pharisees said to Him, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You." Jesus replied, "A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Michael Rich wrote:
Again for the people who are slow to comprehend.
Nowhere In The Jewish Scriptures Does It Say Anything About Believing In A Reserrected Messiah.



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Oct 10, 2021 13:02:13   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Zemirah wrote:
Slow to comprehend? Michael, how resurrected would you be after deliverance from a 3 days and three night stay in the belly of a whale? I leave your topic saddened but not perplexed by your free choice to reject all there is.

Jonah 1:17: "And the LORD appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights."

Matthew 12:38-40 "Then some of the scribes and Pharisees said to Him, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You." Jesus replied, "A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
Slow to comprehend? Michael, how resurrected would... (show quote)



Nowhere in the Tanach does it say anything about a resurrected man/God for the forgiveness of sins.

Honest consideration would make one think that the backbone to the Christian religion (messiah's resurrection) would have surely been mentioned.

Jonah didn't die.

Another tidbit to consider.

Jesus blood was never sprinkled on the Alter either and that nullifies any official sacrificial significance.

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Oct 10, 2021 21:40:55   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Michael Rich wrote:
Nowhere in the Tanach does it say anything about a resurrected man/God for the forgiveness of sins.

Honest consideration would make one think that the backbone to the Christian religion (messiah's resurrection) would have surely been mentioned.

Jonah didn't die.

Another tidbit to consider.

Jesus blood was never sprinkled on the Alter either and that nullifies any official sacrificial significance.


Not to mention that Jesus was simply post scripting ....

But quite a few Christians enjoy post scripting...

It sort of makes sense when you consider it...

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Oct 10, 2021 23:22:53   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Not to mention that Jesus was simply post scripting ....

But quite a few Christians enjoy post scripting...

It sort of makes sense when you consider it...


It's a common trait. It might even be a new rule or something.

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Oct 11, 2021 09:56:49   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Not to mention that Jesus was simply post scripting ....

But quite a few Christians enjoy post scripting...

It sort of makes sense when you consider it...


Apparently you have been discussing “post scripting” with some of your “friends!”…………..This is the second time you have mentioned it!

Now Jesus is post scripting! Really! 🤯 Present your case, Professor, and not another one of your attempted clever one liners!……..That is if you can spare a minute! First I present 2 verses and then follow up with scriptures that prove that in the beginning was The Word and the Word is Jesus, who is God, who wrote the Bible. If Jesus wrote the Bible how did He post script it?

John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.



CD, Now I ask you, Who wrote the Bible?………and the answer is, God wrote the Bible! 👍


“It is accurate to say that God wrote the Bible. According to 2 Timothy 3:16, Scripture is “breathed out” by God. Throughout the Bible, it is obvious that God is being quoted: over 400 times in the Bible, we find the words “thus says the Lord” (NKJV). The Bible refers to itself as the Word of God dozens of times (e.g., Psalm 119; Proverbs 30:5; Isaiah 40:8; 55:11; Jeremiah 23:29; John 17:17; Romans 10:17; Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12). The Bible is said to proceed from the mouth of God (Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4)”……..gotguestions.org


CD, And now that it is established that God wrote the Bible, and that Jesus is The Word………Is The Word God? 👍


“Take for example the words of Jesus in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33, emphasis added). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” This is a reference back to Exodus 3:14 when God revealed Himself as the “I AM.” The Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).

John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God.

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son He says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as God, indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. Beyond these, there are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus being God.

The most important reason that Jesus must be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.

Is Jesus God? Yes. Jesus declared Himself to be God. His followers believed Him to be God. The provision of salvation only works if Jesus is God. Jesus is God incarnate, the eternal Alpha and Omega (Revelation 1:8; 22:13), and God our Savior (2 Peter 1:1).” All the inserts are taken from gotguestions.org

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Oct 11, 2021 13:31:52   #
Rose42
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Not to mention that Jesus was simply post scripting ....

But quite a few Christians enjoy post scripting...

It sort of makes sense when you consider it...


Jesus was ‘post scripting’? What do you mean by that?

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Oct 11, 2021 20:24:50   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
Jesus was ‘post scripting’? What do you mean by that?


He was attempting to make a connection that did not exist...

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Oct 11, 2021 21:41:29   #
Rose42
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
He was attempting to make a connection that did not exist...


He lied?

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Oct 11, 2021 23:28:11   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
He lied?


No... I'd say it's more likely Christians today are the ones who are wrong about it being a prophecy ..

He was probably just being metaphorical...

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