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USMC Commandant Wants Honest, Open Critique of Afghanistan Withdrawal
Sep 2, 2021 08:28:11   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/09/01/marine-commandant-wants-honest-open-critique-of-afghanistan-withdrawal.html?ESRC=eb_210902.nl

1 Sep 2021
Military.com | By Konstantin Toropin

Gen. David Berger, commandant of the Marine Corps, thinks the U.S. military should thoroughly examine the decisions it made in the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

"While it's relatively fresh in our minds, we need the honest, open critique, or a commission ... that cracks open: What were the options that were available, who made what decisions at what time?" he said Wednesday at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank based in Washington, D.C.

Berger was responding to a question about whether he thought his recent memo to reassure veterans that the war in Afghanistan was worth their sacrifices still applies now that the conflict is over.

"The events of the past 10 days have not at all altered my view of 'was it worth it,'" he replied.

The top Marine officer said that, in the last two days, he and others have gone back "through the Holloway Commission, the Long Commission" in an effort to "try to figure out a framework or how can we study, to your point, what went right, what went wrong, what can we learn going forward."

The Holloway Commission investigated the failed attempt to rescue 52 staff members held captive at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, Iran, in April 1980, while the Long Commission scrutinized the failures that led to the 1983 suicide bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon.

News of the withdrawal from the 20-year Afghanistan conflict has prompted introspection about the legacy of the war, as well as criticism from veterans and active-duty officers alike over a wide range of related issues. The criticism came after the Taliban managed to quickly and surprisingly seize nearly all of Afghanistan’s provinces in just over a week, including Kabul, and U.S. forces surged to protect that city’s airport as more than 100,000 people were evacuated ahead of the U.S. withdrawal on Aug. 31.

Maj. Eric Flanagan, a spokesman for the commandant, said that Berger was "referencing the last few weeks in Kabul, not the totality of Afghanistan" in his remarks.

At one point in the conversation, Berger specifically noted that the surprising speed of the Taliban's takeover of the country should be examined.

"How did this surprise us that, in the span of 11 days, it's so fundamentally changed?" he said. "Those are things critically as a government, as a military, we absolutely ought to unpack.

"Were there decisions that were made that we ought to go back and scrub? Absolutely, yeah," Berger added. "Should we both go back and look at the options themselves? Yeah, absolutely."

The remarks come less than 24 hours after President Joe Biden spoke to the nation to defend the choices made in the last days of the conflict.

Referring to complaints that "we should have started mass evacuation sooner" or "couldn't this be done and been done in a more orderly manner," Biden replied: "There is no evacuation from the end of a war that you can run without the kinds of complexities, challenges and threats we faced -- none."

Despite his calls for review and introspection, Berger said he remains convinced that his letter -- which stood unflinchingly behind the value of the Marine Corps' service in Afghanistan -- does not need amending.

"My confirmation is the service members who were there, who would do it again because they feel like they saved lives," he said.

-- Konstantin Toropin can be reached at konstantin.toropin@military.com. Follow him on Twitter @ktoropin.

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Sep 2, 2021 09:22:53   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/09/01/marine-commandant-wants-honest-open-critique-of-afghanistan-withdrawal.html?ESRC=eb_210902.nl

1 Sep 2021
Military.com | By Konstantin Toropin

Gen. David Berger, commandant of the Marine Corps, thinks the U.S. military should thoroughly examine the decisions it made in the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

"While it's relatively fresh in our minds, we need the honest, open critique, or a commission ... that cracks open: What were the options that were available, who made what decisions at what time?" he said Wednesday at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank based in Washington, D.C.

Berger was responding to a question about whether he thought his recent memo to reassure veterans that the war in Afghanistan was worth their sacrifices still applies now that the conflict is over.

"The events of the past 10 days have not at all altered my view of 'was it worth it,'" he replied.

The top Marine officer said that, in the last two days, he and others have gone back "through the Holloway Commission, the Long Commission" in an effort to "try to figure out a framework or how can we study, to your point, what went right, what went wrong, what can we learn going forward."

The Holloway Commission investigated the failed attempt to rescue 52 staff members held captive at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, Iran, in April 1980, while the Long Commission scrutinized the failures that led to the 1983 suicide bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon.

News of the withdrawal from the 20-year Afghanistan conflict has prompted introspection about the legacy of the war, as well as criticism from veterans and active-duty officers alike over a wide range of related issues. The criticism came after the Taliban managed to quickly and surprisingly seize nearly all of Afghanistan’s provinces in just over a week, including Kabul, and U.S. forces surged to protect that city’s airport as more than 100,000 people were evacuated ahead of the U.S. withdrawal on Aug. 31.

Maj. Eric Flanagan, a spokesman for the commandant, said that Berger was "referencing the last few weeks in Kabul, not the totality of Afghanistan" in his remarks.

At one point in the conversation, Berger specifically noted that the surprising speed of the Taliban's takeover of the country should be examined.

"How did this surprise us that, in the span of 11 days, it's so fundamentally changed?" he said. "Those are things critically as a government, as a military, we absolutely ought to unpack.

"Were there decisions that were made that we ought to go back and scrub? Absolutely, yeah," Berger added. "Should we both go back and look at the options themselves? Yeah, absolutely."

The remarks come less than 24 hours after President Joe Biden spoke to the nation to defend the choices made in the last days of the conflict.

Referring to complaints that "we should have started mass evacuation sooner" or "couldn't this be done and been done in a more orderly manner," Biden replied: "There is no evacuation from the end of a war that you can run without the kinds of complexities, challenges and threats we faced -- none."

Despite his calls for review and introspection, Berger said he remains convinced that his letter -- which stood unflinchingly behind the value of the Marine Corps' service in Afghanistan -- does not need amending.

"My confirmation is the service members who were there, who would do it again because they feel like they saved lives," he said.

-- Konstantin Toropin can be reached at konstantin.toropin@military.com. Follow him on Twitter @ktoropin.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/09/01/mar... (show quote)


Bravo!

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Sep 2, 2021 09:36:49   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Bravo!


I can see it coming, they’re going to demand a recount !
Let’s put gowdy in charge of this one.
Should be fun.
Yawn !
Eye roll X< here

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Sep 2, 2021 10:14:27   #
son of witless
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/09/01/marine-commandant-wants-honest-open-critique-of-afghanistan-withdrawal.html?ESRC=eb_210902.nl

1 Sep 2021
Military.com | By Konstantin Toropin

Gen. David Berger, commandant of the Marine Corps, thinks the U.S. military should thoroughly examine the decisions it made in the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

"While it's relatively fresh in our minds, we need the honest, open critique, or a commission ... that cracks open: What were the options that were available, who made what decisions at what time?" he said Wednesday at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank based in Washington, D.C.

Berger was responding to a question about whether he thought his recent memo to reassure veterans that the war in Afghanistan was worth their sacrifices still applies now that the conflict is over.

"The events of the past 10 days have not at all altered my view of 'was it worth it,'" he replied.

The top Marine officer said that, in the last two days, he and others have gone back "through the Holloway Commission, the Long Commission" in an effort to "try to figure out a framework or how can we study, to your point, what went right, what went wrong, what can we learn going forward."

The Holloway Commission investigated the failed attempt to rescue 52 staff members held captive at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, Iran, in April 1980, while the Long Commission scrutinized the failures that led to the 1983 suicide bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon.

News of the withdrawal from the 20-year Afghanistan conflict has prompted introspection about the legacy of the war, as well as criticism from veterans and active-duty officers alike over a wide range of related issues. The criticism came after the Taliban managed to quickly and surprisingly seize nearly all of Afghanistan’s provinces in just over a week, including Kabul, and U.S. forces surged to protect that city’s airport as more than 100,000 people were evacuated ahead of the U.S. withdrawal on Aug. 31.

Maj. Eric Flanagan, a spokesman for the commandant, said that Berger was "referencing the last few weeks in Kabul, not the totality of Afghanistan" in his remarks.

At one point in the conversation, Berger specifically noted that the surprising speed of the Taliban's takeover of the country should be examined.

"How did this surprise us that, in the span of 11 days, it's so fundamentally changed?" he said. "Those are things critically as a government, as a military, we absolutely ought to unpack.

"Were there decisions that were made that we ought to go back and scrub? Absolutely, yeah," Berger added. "Should we both go back and look at the options themselves? Yeah, absolutely."

The remarks come less than 24 hours after President Joe Biden spoke to the nation to defend the choices made in the last days of the conflict.

Referring to complaints that "we should have started mass evacuation sooner" or "couldn't this be done and been done in a more orderly manner," Biden replied: "There is no evacuation from the end of a war that you can run without the kinds of complexities, challenges and threats we faced -- none."

Despite his calls for review and introspection, Berger said he remains convinced that his letter -- which stood unflinchingly behind the value of the Marine Corps' service in Afghanistan -- does not need amending.

"My confirmation is the service members who were there, who would do it again because they feel like they saved lives," he said.

-- Konstantin Toropin can be reached at konstantin.toropin@military.com. Follow him on Twitter @ktoropin.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/09/01/mar... (show quote)


I do not understand the point of this at all. The American Military did not make the Strategic Decisions that caused the collapse of Afghanistan and allowed the Taliban to take control of the Country.

The Strategic Decisions were made by the Civilian Commander in Chief President Joseph Biden. This seems a blatant pathetic attempt to shift the blame of the disaster onto the US Military, and thus to shift any criticism directed at the Civilian Commander in Chief onto the US Military, thus making it seem that said criticism is an attack on the Men and Women of our military who served in Afghanistan.

Verwy verwy kwever.

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Sep 2, 2021 11:39:15   #
SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now
 
son of witless wrote:
I do not understand the point of this at all. The American Military did not make the Strategic Decisions that caused the collapse of Afghanistan and allowed the Taliban to take control of the Country.

The Strategic Decisions were made by the Civilian Commander in Chief President Joseph Biden. This seems a blatant pathetic attempt to shift the blame of the disaster onto the US Military, and thus to shift any criticism directed at the Civilian Commander in Chief onto the US Military, thus making it seem that said criticism is an attack on the Men and Women of our military who served in Afghanistan.

Verwy verwy kwever.
I do not understand the point of this at all. The ... (show quote)


You are right, that old dog just won’t hunt. This is bribem’s s**t show, period.

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Sep 2, 2021 13:15:27   #
son of witless
 
SGM B wrote:
You are right, that old dog just won’t hunt. This is bribem’s s**t show, period.


I wonder if the military chieftains were given their marching orders to defend what Joe did ? Either they do what they are told or they get replaced by more pliable folks.

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Sep 3, 2021 11:41:30   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
son of witless wrote:
I wonder if the military chieftains were given their marching orders to defend what Joe did ? Either they do what they are told or they get replaced by more pliable folks.


We saw this same side show with Obama! How many of our Military leaders left…….one way or the other and was replaced with his Yes men!

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Sep 3, 2021 14:53:08   #
Justice101
 
TexaCan wrote:
We saw this same side show with Obama! How many of our Military leaders left…….one way or the other and was replaced with his Yes men!


https://thefederalist-gary.blogspot.com/2013/11/obamas-purge-200-military-officers-have.html

Obama fired 200 military officers.

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Sep 4, 2021 10:40:36   #
SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now
 
TexaCan wrote:
We saw this same side show with Obama! How many of our Military leaders left…….one way or the other and was replaced with his Yes men!


Side show? More like s**t show.

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Sep 4, 2021 22:03:25   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
SGM B wrote:
Side show? More like s**t show.


😂😂😂😂😂😂 Yep!

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Sep 4, 2021 22:11:49   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/09/01/marine-commandant-wants-honest-open-critique-of-afghanistan-withdrawal.html?ESRC=eb_210902.nl

1 Sep 2021
Military.com | By Konstantin Toropin

Gen. David Berger, commandant of the Marine Corps, thinks the U.S. military should thoroughly examine the decisions it made in the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

"While it's relatively fresh in our minds, we need the honest, open critique, or a commission ... that cracks open: What were the options that were available, who made what decisions at what time?" he said Wednesday at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank based in Washington, D.C.

Berger was responding to a question about whether he thought his recent memo to reassure veterans that the war in Afghanistan was worth their sacrifices still applies now that the conflict is over.

"The events of the past 10 days have not at all altered my view of 'was it worth it,'" he replied.

The top Marine officer said that, in the last two days, he and others have gone back "through the Holloway Commission, the Long Commission" in an effort to "try to figure out a framework or how can we study, to your point, what went right, what went wrong, what can we learn going forward."

The Holloway Commission investigated the failed attempt to rescue 52 staff members held captive at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, Iran, in April 1980, while the Long Commission scrutinized the failures that led to the 1983 suicide bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon.

News of the withdrawal from the 20-year Afghanistan conflict has prompted introspection about the legacy of the war, as well as criticism from veterans and active-duty officers alike over a wide range of related issues. The criticism came after the Taliban managed to quickly and surprisingly seize nearly all of Afghanistan’s provinces in just over a week, including Kabul, and U.S. forces surged to protect that city’s airport as more than 100,000 people were evacuated ahead of the U.S. withdrawal on Aug. 31.

Maj. Eric Flanagan, a spokesman for the commandant, said that Berger was "referencing the last few weeks in Kabul, not the totality of Afghanistan" in his remarks.

At one point in the conversation, Berger specifically noted that the surprising speed of the Taliban's takeover of the country should be examined.

"How did this surprise us that, in the span of 11 days, it's so fundamentally changed?" he said. "Those are things critically as a government, as a military, we absolutely ought to unpack.

"Were there decisions that were made that we ought to go back and scrub? Absolutely, yeah," Berger added. "Should we both go back and look at the options themselves? Yeah, absolutely."

The remarks come less than 24 hours after President Joe Biden spoke to the nation to defend the choices made in the last days of the conflict.

Referring to complaints that "we should have started mass evacuation sooner" or "couldn't this be done and been done in a more orderly manner," Biden replied: "There is no evacuation from the end of a war that you can run without the kinds of complexities, challenges and threats we faced -- none."

Despite his calls for review and introspection, Berger said he remains convinced that his letter -- which stood unflinchingly behind the value of the Marine Corps' service in Afghanistan -- does not need amending.

"My confirmation is the service members who were there, who would do it again because they feel like they saved lives," he said.

-- Konstantin Toropin can be reached at konstantin.toropin@military.com. Follow him on Twitter @ktoropin.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/09/01/mar... (show quote)


They should examine what they did? Ya think?

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