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Aug 15, 2021 11:24:55   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama-poses-a-question-that-we-still-cannot-answer/ar-AANkZVT?ocid=msedgntp

Like Clinton, Obama held so much promise, only to be a failure as a result of their own undoing. What a wasted opportunity it was.

Obama poses a question that we still cannot answer
Analysis By John Blake, CNN 1 hr ago


The "Yes We Can!" bumper sticker that seemed to be plastered on every passing car. The "fired up, ready to go!" chant that once rocked arenas.

Barack Obama standing in front of a crowd: Then-Democratic p**********l nominee Barack Obama waves during a campaign event on October 20, 2008, in Tampa, Florida.© Joe Raedle/Getty Images Then-Democratic p**********l nominee Barack Obama waves during a campaign event on October 20, 2008, in Tampa, Florida.
And, of course, those iconic photos of Black, White, and brown people shedding tears of joy at a victory celebration in Chicago's Grant Park that November evening in 2008.

These are glimpses of "the unadulterated political joy" that millions of Americans felt 13 years ago when Barack Obama was elected the nation's first Black president. They also feel like quaint snapshots of what seems now like another country.

It's hard not to feel nostalgic about those moments because Obama has been back in the news. A new documentary series, "Obama: In Pursuit of a More Perfect Union," is airing on HBO this month. Obama recently celebrated his 60th birthday at his vacation home on Martha's Vineyard. Tributes to the former President have poured in from pundits who argue why Obama still "matters."

a group of people standing in front of a crowd: An Obama supporter holds up a sign reading "Yes we can" as President-elect Barack Obama gives his e******n night victory speech on November 4, 2008, in Chicago's Grant Park.© Eric Thayer/Getty Images An Obama supporter holds up a sign reading "Yes we can" as President-elect Barack Obama gives his e******n night victory speech on November 4, 2008, in Chicago's Grant Park.
But left unsaid in all of these accolades is an inconvenient question that's grown even more urgent after a tumultuous year marked by persistent racial divisions, an i**********n at the US Capitol and a partisan divide over wearing masks during a p******c that's k**led at least 618,000 Americans:

Will we ever believe a political leader who talks about hope and change again?

The fragility of a new America
a person holding a kite in a city: A protester walks by as the American f**g flies at half-staff at the US Capitol on January 8, 2021, in Washington.© John Moore/Getty Images A protester walks by as the American f**g flies at half-staff at the US Capitol on January 8, 2021, in Washington.
It's an inconvenient question, because it's far easier to celebrate Obama's legacy than to consider that many of us abandoned the vision of America he embodied. The nation's first Black president was living proof that the nation could transcend its original sin of r****m, that its citizens could find common ground.

It was Obama who said in arguably his greatest speech that "America is not some fragile thing" that can't tolerate citizens demanding change.

"What greater form of patriotism is there than the belief that America is not yet finished, that we are strong enough to be self-critical?" Obama asked in his 2015 address in Selma, Alabama, on the 50th anniversary of a historic civil rights campaign.

But what happens when a large segment of White America stops pretending it even cares about democracy? What happens when these Americans refuse to accept the results of a p**********l e******n, praise foreign dictators and pass a new wave of v**er restriction laws?

These are the nagging questions that lurk in the background of all the recent nostalgia surrounding Obama.

It's common for pundits invoking Obama's "tattered idealism" to say the former President has changed since 2008. But American v**ers may have changed as well.

Obama may be the political version of the Last of the Mohicans -- a charismatic leader whose soaring rhetoric about transcending our differences now seems as outdated as a Blockbuster video store.

a group of people sitting on a motorcycle in front of a building: Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as they try to storm the US Capitol on J****** 6, 2021 in Washington.© Brent Stirton/Getty Images Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as they try to storm the US Capitol on J****** 6, 2021 in Washington.
The multiracial elation we saw in Grant Park may be the last time in many of our lifetimes we witness such unified joy.

Our politics will get even uglier
That's a brutal thought to contemplate. But consider some of the events of this past year -- even this past month.

The country still hasn't come to terms with a violent i**********n that saw a member of a mob brandish a Confederate f**g during an attack on the Capitol while others hung a noose and scaffold outside on the grounds.

A major political party is passing a wave of laws across the country that may restrict v****g by racial minorities and other groups that don't tend to v**e for them.

Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson, a hero of the right, traveled to Hungary the same week of Obama's 60th birthday to conduct a fawning interview with the country's leader, Viktor Orban, who once said: "...We must defend Hungary as it is now. We must state that we do not want to be diverse and do not want to be mixed. We do not want our own color, traditions and national culture to be mixed with those of others."

Barack Obama et al. riding on the back of a f**g: Then-President elect Barack Obama gestures during an e******n night victory gathering on November 4, 2008, in Chicago.© Chris McGrath/Getty Images Then-President elect Barack Obama gestures during an e******n night victory gathering on November 4, 2008, in Chicago.
And new census data are raising fresh questions about the future of our democracy. For the first time in the country's history, the number of White people in the US is declining -- a benchmark that's come about eight years earlier than projected.

The news should make anyone who knows this country's history shudder. It's been well documented that a segment of White America will abandon any commitment to democracy if they no longer consider themselves the dominant group.

One can envision a future where White politicians and partisan judges double down on v**er restriction laws and appeals to r****m in a desperate bid to hold onto power.

a person holding a sign: A demonstrator holds a sign outside the Pennsylvania Capitol Building to protest the continued closure of businesses due to the c****av***s p******c on May 15, 2020, in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.© Mark Makela/Getty Images A demonstrator holds a sign outside the Pennsylvania Capitol Building to protest the continued closure of businesses due to the c****av***s p******c on May 15, 2020, in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
That's why one commentator warned the shifting US demographics are about to "set our politics on fire."

"If recent history tells us anything, though, it's that the census news will create a fresh wave of right-wing anger, and that much of it will be directed against America's minority populations," Joel Mathis wrote in a recent column in The Week. "Our ugly politics are probably going to get uglier."

In such a future, there may be no leaders who talk about seeking common ground. There will be no stirring oratory about how America doesn't have red or blue states. It'll be a war of attrition where both sides seek only to turn out their bases for e******ns.

a person looking at the camera: US Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene wears a "T***p W*n" face mask as she arrives on the floor of the House to take her oath of office as a newly elected member of the 117th House of Representatives in Washington on January 3, 2021.© ERIN SCOTT/AFP/POOL/Getty Images US Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene wears a "T***p W*n" face mask as she arrives on the floor of the House to take her oath of office as a newly elected member of the 117th House of Representatives in Washington on January 3, 2021.
I foresee this future as a distinct possibility. Leaders will keep speaking to people's fears instead of their hopes. There won't be any poetry in politics, just trench warfare.

Even Obama, who embodies the idea that the US is a work in progress toward a more perfect union, sounded a note of skepticism in his recent memoir, "A Promised Land."

"Except now I found myself asking whether those impulses—of violence, greed, corruption, nationalism, r****m, and religious intolerance, the all-too-human desire to beat back our own uncertainty and mortality and sense of insignificance by subordinating others—were too strong for any democracy to permanently contain," he wrote.

"For they seemed to lie in wait everywhere, ready to resurface whenever growth rates stalled or demographics changed or a charismatic leader chose to ride the wave of people's fears and resentments."

A different type of hope and change
Some say there will always be an audience in America for idealistic leaders who offer visions of hope and change.

"This is a cycle that America always goes through," says Melanye Price, a political scientist who specializes in contemporary Black politics and political rhetoric.

"If I didn't believe that I might as well resign from my job, live off the grid somewhere and prepare for the coming race war."

She says the US has repeatedly shown the ability to "course correct." The Obama era was a glimpse of a country whose arc, to paraphrase Martin Luther King Jr., bends towards justice.

"I rely heavily," she says, "on the Winston Churchill quote: 'You can always count on Americans to do the right thing -- after they've tried everything else.'"

Eric Liu, the author and activist, is one of the most eloquent spokesmen about what makes the US so resilient. In one of my favorite books, "Become America," Liu writes:

"American history is a record of small groups of people who keep remaking this country over and over, and who reveal to us all that the perpetual remaking is the greatest statement of fidelity to our creed and our national purpose, which is not to be like Russia, white and stagnant and oligarchic, or like China, monoethnic and authoritarian and centralized, but to be more like America, hybrid and dynamic and democratic and free to be remade."

Liu says it may be good if Americans don't swoon over a leader the way they once did over Obama -- and for those on the right, former President Trump. He says change comes from the bottom up. It's part of the message he preaches around the country to encourage civic knowledge and engagement.

"My emphasis is on trying to fortify people so they don't need a savior leader to come and put in all their hopes in," he tells me. "I'm always quoting the great organizer Ella Baker, who said, 'Strong people don't need strong leaders.' "

Determining America's future
The massive protests that followed the murder of G****e F***d seemed to vindicate Liu's emphasize on citizen power, not charismatic leadership. It was driven by ordinary people hitting the streets.

But if a large segment of White America abandons any pretense of believing in democracy, I'm not sure we will ever see another leader like Obama gain such wide appeal.

Ours will be a future Obama warned about in his memoir, when the impulses of violence, r****m and intolerance will be too strong for any democracy to contain.

If that becomes our future, some may look back and regard the images of Black, White and Brown people sharing tears of joy in Chicago's Grant Park as quaint and naïve.

And when another charismatic politician says, "There are no red states or blue states, just the United States," people won't cheer and rush out to v**e.

Most won't even listen to such lofty rhetoric anymore.

Is this our future? Or will enough people still believe that "America is not yet finished" and commit to becoming the vibrant, forward-looking multiracial democracy that Obama embodied?

It's a question that Obama can't address. He's done his part.

Only we can answer.

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Aug 15, 2021 11:32:06   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
dtucker300 wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama-poses-a-question-that-we-still-cannot-answer/ar-AANkZVT?ocid=msedgntp

Like Clinton, Obama held so much promise, only to be a failure as a result of their own undoing. What a wasted opportunity it was.

Obama poses a question that we still cannot answer
Analysis By John Blake, CNN 1 hr ago


The "Yes We Can!" bumper sticker that seemed to be plastered on every passing car. The "fired up, ready to go!" chant that once rocked arenas.

Barack Obama standing in front of a crowd: Then-Democratic p**********l nominee Barack Obama waves during a campaign event on October 20, 2008, in Tampa, Florida.© Joe Raedle/Getty Images Then-Democratic p**********l nominee Barack Obama waves during a campaign event on October 20, 2008, in Tampa, Florida.
And, of course, those iconic photos of Black, White, and brown people shedding tears of joy at a victory celebration in Chicago's Grant Park that November evening in 2008.

These are glimpses of "the unadulterated political joy" that millions of Americans felt 13 years ago when Barack Obama was elected the nation's first Black president. They also feel like quaint snapshots of what seems now like another country.

It's hard not to feel nostalgic about those moments because Obama has been back in the news. A new documentary series, "Obama: In Pursuit of a More Perfect Union," is airing on HBO this month. Obama recently celebrated his 60th birthday at his vacation home on Martha's Vineyard. Tributes to the former President have poured in from pundits who argue why Obama still "matters."

a group of people standing in front of a crowd: An Obama supporter holds up a sign reading "Yes we can" as President-elect Barack Obama gives his e******n night victory speech on November 4, 2008, in Chicago's Grant Park.© Eric Thayer/Getty Images An Obama supporter holds up a sign reading "Yes we can" as President-elect Barack Obama gives his e******n night victory speech on November 4, 2008, in Chicago's Grant Park.
But left unsaid in all of these accolades is an inconvenient question that's grown even more urgent after a tumultuous year marked by persistent racial divisions, an i**********n at the US Capitol and a partisan divide over wearing masks during a p******c that's k**led at least 618,000 Americans:

Will we ever believe a political leader who talks about hope and change again?

The fragility of a new America
a person holding a kite in a city: A protester walks by as the American f**g flies at half-staff at the US Capitol on January 8, 2021, in Washington.© John Moore/Getty Images A protester walks by as the American f**g flies at half-staff at the US Capitol on January 8, 2021, in Washington.
It's an inconvenient question, because it's far easier to celebrate Obama's legacy than to consider that many of us abandoned the vision of America he embodied. The nation's first Black president was living proof that the nation could transcend its original sin of r****m, that its citizens could find common ground.

It was Obama who said in arguably his greatest speech that "America is not some fragile thing" that can't tolerate citizens demanding change.

"What greater form of patriotism is there than the belief that America is not yet finished, that we are strong enough to be self-critical?" Obama asked in his 2015 address in Selma, Alabama, on the 50th anniversary of a historic civil rights campaign.

But what happens when a large segment of White America stops pretending it even cares about democracy? What happens when these Americans refuse to accept the results of a p**********l e******n, praise foreign dictators and pass a new wave of v**er restriction laws?

These are the nagging questions that lurk in the background of all the recent nostalgia surrounding Obama.

It's common for pundits invoking Obama's "tattered idealism" to say the former President has changed since 2008. But American v**ers may have changed as well.

Obama may be the political version of the Last of the Mohicans -- a charismatic leader whose soaring rhetoric about transcending our differences now seems as outdated as a Blockbuster video store.

a group of people sitting on a motorcycle in front of a building: Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as they try to storm the US Capitol on J****** 6, 2021 in Washington.© Brent Stirton/Getty Images Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as they try to storm the US Capitol on J****** 6, 2021 in Washington.
The multiracial elation we saw in Grant Park may be the last time in many of our lifetimes we witness such unified joy.

Our politics will get even uglier
That's a brutal thought to contemplate. But consider some of the events of this past year -- even this past month.

The country still hasn't come to terms with a violent i**********n that saw a member of a mob brandish a Confederate f**g during an attack on the Capitol while others hung a noose and scaffold outside on the grounds.

A major political party is passing a wave of laws across the country that may restrict v****g by racial minorities and other groups that don't tend to v**e for them.

Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson, a hero of the right, traveled to Hungary the same week of Obama's 60th birthday to conduct a fawning interview with the country's leader, Viktor Orban, who once said: "...We must defend Hungary as it is now. We must state that we do not want to be diverse and do not want to be mixed. We do not want our own color, traditions and national culture to be mixed with those of others."

Barack Obama et al. riding on the back of a f**g: Then-President elect Barack Obama gestures during an e******n night victory gathering on November 4, 2008, in Chicago.© Chris McGrath/Getty Images Then-President elect Barack Obama gestures during an e******n night victory gathering on November 4, 2008, in Chicago.
And new census data are raising fresh questions about the future of our democracy. For the first time in the country's history, the number of White people in the US is declining -- a benchmark that's come about eight years earlier than projected.

The news should make anyone who knows this country's history shudder. It's been well documented that a segment of White America will abandon any commitment to democracy if they no longer consider themselves the dominant group.

One can envision a future where White politicians and partisan judges double down on v**er restriction laws and appeals to r****m in a desperate bid to hold onto power.

a person holding a sign: A demonstrator holds a sign outside the Pennsylvania Capitol Building to protest the continued closure of businesses due to the c****av***s p******c on May 15, 2020, in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.© Mark Makela/Getty Images A demonstrator holds a sign outside the Pennsylvania Capitol Building to protest the continued closure of businesses due to the c****av***s p******c on May 15, 2020, in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
That's why one commentator warned the shifting US demographics are about to "set our politics on fire."

"If recent history tells us anything, though, it's that the census news will create a fresh wave of right-wing anger, and that much of it will be directed against America's minority populations," Joel Mathis wrote in a recent column in The Week. "Our ugly politics are probably going to get uglier."

In such a future, there may be no leaders who talk about seeking common ground. There will be no stirring oratory about how America doesn't have red or blue states. It'll be a war of attrition where both sides seek only to turn out their bases for e******ns.

a person looking at the camera: US Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene wears a "T***p W*n" face mask as she arrives on the floor of the House to take her oath of office as a newly elected member of the 117th House of Representatives in Washington on January 3, 2021.© ERIN SCOTT/AFP/POOL/Getty Images US Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene wears a "T***p W*n" face mask as she arrives on the floor of the House to take her oath of office as a newly elected member of the 117th House of Representatives in Washington on January 3, 2021.
I foresee this future as a distinct possibility. Leaders will keep speaking to people's fears instead of their hopes. There won't be any poetry in politics, just trench warfare.

Even Obama, who embodies the idea that the US is a work in progress toward a more perfect union, sounded a note of skepticism in his recent memoir, "A Promised Land."

"Except now I found myself asking whether those impulses—of violence, greed, corruption, nationalism, r****m, and religious intolerance, the all-too-human desire to beat back our own uncertainty and mortality and sense of insignificance by subordinating others—were too strong for any democracy to permanently contain," he wrote.

"For they seemed to lie in wait everywhere, ready to resurface whenever growth rates stalled or demographics changed or a charismatic leader chose to ride the wave of people's fears and resentments."

A different type of hope and change
Some say there will always be an audience in America for idealistic leaders who offer visions of hope and change.

"This is a cycle that America always goes through," says Melanye Price, a political scientist who specializes in contemporary Black politics and political rhetoric.

"If I didn't believe that I might as well resign from my job, live off the grid somewhere and prepare for the coming race war."

She says the US has repeatedly shown the ability to "course correct." The Obama era was a glimpse of a country whose arc, to paraphrase Martin Luther King Jr., bends towards justice.

"I rely heavily," she says, "on the Winston Churchill quote: 'You can always count on Americans to do the right thing -- after they've tried everything else.'"

Eric Liu, the author and activist, is one of the most eloquent spokesmen about what makes the US so resilient. In one of my favorite books, "Become America," Liu writes:

"American history is a record of small groups of people who keep remaking this country over and over, and who reveal to us all that the perpetual remaking is the greatest statement of fidelity to our creed and our national purpose, which is not to be like Russia, white and stagnant and oligarchic, or like China, monoethnic and authoritarian and centralized, but to be more like America, hybrid and dynamic and democratic and free to be remade."

Liu says it may be good if Americans don't swoon over a leader the way they once did over Obama -- and for those on the right, former President Trump. He says change comes from the bottom up. It's part of the message he preaches around the country to encourage civic knowledge and engagement.

"My emphasis is on trying to fortify people so they don't need a savior leader to come and put in all their hopes in," he tells me. "I'm always quoting the great organizer Ella Baker, who said, 'Strong people don't need strong leaders.' "

Determining America's future
The massive protests that followed the murder of G****e F***d seemed to vindicate Liu's emphasize on citizen power, not charismatic leadership. It was driven by ordinary people hitting the streets.

But if a large segment of White America abandons any pretense of believing in democracy, I'm not sure we will ever see another leader like Obama gain such wide appeal.

Ours will be a future Obama warned about in his memoir, when the impulses of violence, r****m and intolerance will be too strong for any democracy to contain.

If that becomes our future, some may look back and regard the images of Black, White and Brown people sharing tears of joy in Chicago's Grant Park as quaint and naïve.

And when another charismatic politician says, "There are no red states or blue states, just the United States," people won't cheer and rush out to v**e.

Most won't even listen to such lofty rhetoric anymore.

Is this our future? Or will enough people still believe that "America is not yet finished" and commit to becoming the vibrant, forward-looking multiracial democracy that Obama embodied?

It's a question that Obama can't address. He's done his part.

Only we can answer.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama-pose... (show quote)


Is this the same president who destroyed a whole industry in KY while promising to bring in new jobs "that never showed up". Is this the same Obammy who told me if I liked my insurance I could keep it-doesn't exist anymore, Is this the same Obammy who created "the "free" affordable act for the poor while destroying healthcare quality and premiums for the middle class? I could go on all day but don't want to be confused with someone who gives a damn about Obammy!

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Aug 15, 2021 11:33:11   #
Carlos Caliente
 
Hope and change?? America has always, and will always, be a land of hope all over the planet. America has always been a changing land from before it was even founded. D'uh!

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Aug 15, 2021 11:34:02   #
Carlos Caliente
 
Hope and change?? America has always, and will always, be a land of hope all over the planet. America has always been a changing land from before it was even founded. D'uh!

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Aug 15, 2021 11:43:21   #
son of witless
 
dtucker300 wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama-poses-a-question-that-we-still-cannot-answer/ar-AANkZVT?ocid=msedgntp

Like Clinton, Obama held so much promise, only to be a failure as a result of their own undoing. What a wasted opportunity it was.

Obama poses a question that we still cannot answer
Analysis By John Blake, CNN 1 hr ago


The "Yes We Can!" bumper sticker that seemed to be plastered on every passing car. The "fired up, ready to go!" chant that once rocked arenas.

Barack Obama standing in front of a crowd: Then-Democratic p**********l nominee Barack Obama waves during a campaign event on October 20, 2008, in Tampa, Florida.© Joe Raedle/Getty Images Then-Democratic p**********l nominee Barack Obama waves during a campaign event on October 20, 2008, in Tampa, Florida.
And, of course, those iconic photos of Black, White, and brown people shedding tears of joy at a victory celebration in Chicago's Grant Park that November evening in 2008.

These are glimpses of "the unadulterated political joy" that millions of Americans felt 13 years ago when Barack Obama was elected the nation's first Black president. They also feel like quaint snapshots of what seems now like another country.

It's hard not to feel nostalgic about those moments because Obama has been back in the news. A new documentary series, "Obama: In Pursuit of a More Perfect Union," is airing on HBO this month. Obama recently celebrated his 60th birthday at his vacation home on Martha's Vineyard. Tributes to the former President have poured in from pundits who argue why Obama still "matters."

a group of people standing in front of a crowd: An Obama supporter holds up a sign reading "Yes we can" as President-elect Barack Obama gives his e******n night victory speech on November 4, 2008, in Chicago's Grant Park.© Eric Thayer/Getty Images An Obama supporter holds up a sign reading "Yes we can" as President-elect Barack Obama gives his e******n night victory speech on November 4, 2008, in Chicago's Grant Park.
But left unsaid in all of these accolades is an inconvenient question that's grown even more urgent after a tumultuous year marked by persistent racial divisions, an i**********n at the US Capitol and a partisan divide over wearing masks during a p******c that's k**led at least 618,000 Americans:

Will we ever believe a political leader who talks about hope and change again?

The fragility of a new America
a person holding a kite in a city: A protester walks by as the American f**g flies at half-staff at the US Capitol on January 8, 2021, in Washington.© John Moore/Getty Images A protester walks by as the American f**g flies at half-staff at the US Capitol on January 8, 2021, in Washington.
It's an inconvenient question, because it's far easier to celebrate Obama's legacy than to consider that many of us abandoned the vision of America he embodied. The nation's first Black president was living proof that the nation could transcend its original sin of r****m, that its citizens could find common ground.

It was Obama who said in arguably his greatest speech that "America is not some fragile thing" that can't tolerate citizens demanding change.

"What greater form of patriotism is there than the belief that America is not yet finished, that we are strong enough to be self-critical?" Obama asked in his 2015 address in Selma, Alabama, on the 50th anniversary of a historic civil rights campaign.

But what happens when a large segment of White America stops pretending it even cares about democracy? What happens when these Americans refuse to accept the results of a p**********l e******n, praise foreign dictators and pass a new wave of v**er restriction laws?

These are the nagging questions that lurk in the background of all the recent nostalgia surrounding Obama.

It's common for pundits invoking Obama's "tattered idealism" to say the former President has changed since 2008. But American v**ers may have changed as well.

Obama may be the political version of the Last of the Mohicans -- a charismatic leader whose soaring rhetoric about transcending our differences now seems as outdated as a Blockbuster video store.

a group of people sitting on a motorcycle in front of a building: Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as they try to storm the US Capitol on J****** 6, 2021 in Washington.© Brent Stirton/Getty Images Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as they try to storm the US Capitol on J****** 6, 2021 in Washington.
The multiracial elation we saw in Grant Park may be the last time in many of our lifetimes we witness such unified joy.

Our politics will get even uglier
That's a brutal thought to contemplate. But consider some of the events of this past year -- even this past month.

The country still hasn't come to terms with a violent i**********n that saw a member of a mob brandish a Confederate f**g during an attack on the Capitol while others hung a noose and scaffold outside on the grounds.

A major political party is passing a wave of laws across the country that may restrict v****g by racial minorities and other groups that don't tend to v**e for them.

Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson, a hero of the right, traveled to Hungary the same week of Obama's 60th birthday to conduct a fawning interview with the country's leader, Viktor Orban, who once said: "...We must defend Hungary as it is now. We must state that we do not want to be diverse and do not want to be mixed. We do not want our own color, traditions and national culture to be mixed with those of others."

Barack Obama et al. riding on the back of a f**g: Then-President elect Barack Obama gestures during an e******n night victory gathering on November 4, 2008, in Chicago.© Chris McGrath/Getty Images Then-President elect Barack Obama gestures during an e******n night victory gathering on November 4, 2008, in Chicago.
And new census data are raising fresh questions about the future of our democracy. For the first time in the country's history, the number of White people in the US is declining -- a benchmark that's come about eight years earlier than projected.

The news should make anyone who knows this country's history shudder. It's been well documented that a segment of White America will abandon any commitment to democracy if they no longer consider themselves the dominant group.

One can envision a future where White politicians and partisan judges double down on v**er restriction laws and appeals to r****m in a desperate bid to hold onto power.

a person holding a sign: A demonstrator holds a sign outside the Pennsylvania Capitol Building to protest the continued closure of businesses due to the c****av***s p******c on May 15, 2020, in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.© Mark Makela/Getty Images A demonstrator holds a sign outside the Pennsylvania Capitol Building to protest the continued closure of businesses due to the c****av***s p******c on May 15, 2020, in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
That's why one commentator warned the shifting US demographics are about to "set our politics on fire."

"If recent history tells us anything, though, it's that the census news will create a fresh wave of right-wing anger, and that much of it will be directed against America's minority populations," Joel Mathis wrote in a recent column in The Week. "Our ugly politics are probably going to get uglier."

In such a future, there may be no leaders who talk about seeking common ground. There will be no stirring oratory about how America doesn't have red or blue states. It'll be a war of attrition where both sides seek only to turn out their bases for e******ns.

a person looking at the camera: US Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene wears a "T***p W*n" face mask as she arrives on the floor of the House to take her oath of office as a newly elected member of the 117th House of Representatives in Washington on January 3, 2021.© ERIN SCOTT/AFP/POOL/Getty Images US Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene wears a "T***p W*n" face mask as she arrives on the floor of the House to take her oath of office as a newly elected member of the 117th House of Representatives in Washington on January 3, 2021.
I foresee this future as a distinct possibility. Leaders will keep speaking to people's fears instead of their hopes. There won't be any poetry in politics, just trench warfare.

Even Obama, who embodies the idea that the US is a work in progress toward a more perfect union, sounded a note of skepticism in his recent memoir, "A Promised Land."

"Except now I found myself asking whether those impulses—of violence, greed, corruption, nationalism, r****m, and religious intolerance, the all-too-human desire to beat back our own uncertainty and mortality and sense of insignificance by subordinating others—were too strong for any democracy to permanently contain," he wrote.

"For they seemed to lie in wait everywhere, ready to resurface whenever growth rates stalled or demographics changed or a charismatic leader chose to ride the wave of people's fears and resentments."

A different type of hope and change
Some say there will always be an audience in America for idealistic leaders who offer visions of hope and change.

"This is a cycle that America always goes through," says Melanye Price, a political scientist who specializes in contemporary Black politics and political rhetoric.

"If I didn't believe that I might as well resign from my job, live off the grid somewhere and prepare for the coming race war."

She says the US has repeatedly shown the ability to "course correct." The Obama era was a glimpse of a country whose arc, to paraphrase Martin Luther King Jr., bends towards justice.

"I rely heavily," she says, "on the Winston Churchill quote: 'You can always count on Americans to do the right thing -- after they've tried everything else.'"

Eric Liu, the author and activist, is one of the most eloquent spokesmen about what makes the US so resilient. In one of my favorite books, "Become America," Liu writes:

"American history is a record of small groups of people who keep remaking this country over and over, and who reveal to us all that the perpetual remaking is the greatest statement of fidelity to our creed and our national purpose, which is not to be like Russia, white and stagnant and oligarchic, or like China, monoethnic and authoritarian and centralized, but to be more like America, hybrid and dynamic and democratic and free to be remade."

Liu says it may be good if Americans don't swoon over a leader the way they once did over Obama -- and for those on the right, former President Trump. He says change comes from the bottom up. It's part of the message he preaches around the country to encourage civic knowledge and engagement.

"My emphasis is on trying to fortify people so they don't need a savior leader to come and put in all their hopes in," he tells me. "I'm always quoting the great organizer Ella Baker, who said, 'Strong people don't need strong leaders.' "

Determining America's future
The massive protests that followed the murder of G****e F***d seemed to vindicate Liu's emphasize on citizen power, not charismatic leadership. It was driven by ordinary people hitting the streets.

But if a large segment of White America abandons any pretense of believing in democracy, I'm not sure we will ever see another leader like Obama gain such wide appeal.

Ours will be a future Obama warned about in his memoir, when the impulses of violence, r****m and intolerance will be too strong for any democracy to contain.

If that becomes our future, some may look back and regard the images of Black, White and Brown people sharing tears of joy in Chicago's Grant Park as quaint and naïve.

And when another charismatic politician says, "There are no red states or blue states, just the United States," people won't cheer and rush out to v**e.

Most won't even listen to such lofty rhetoric anymore.

Is this our future? Or will enough people still believe that "America is not yet finished" and commit to becoming the vibrant, forward-looking multiracial democracy that Obama embodied?

It's a question that Obama can't address. He's done his part.

Only we can answer.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama-pose... (show quote)


The man was a total shister. His rhetoric said one thing and he governed the exact opposite. He was nothing but an auctioneer, a salesman, an empty suit, a fracking clown. Most of his own admirers could not explain what he said in his speeches. I know because I asked them WTF this line or that line meant and they couldn't answer.

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Aug 15, 2021 12:31:35   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
microphor wrote:
Is this the same president who destroyed a whole industry in KY while promising to bring in new jobs "that never showed up". Is this the same Obammy who told me if I liked my insurance I could keep it-doesn't exist anymore, Is this the same Obammy who created "the "free" affordable act for the poor while destroying healthcare quality and premiums for the middle class? I could go on all day but don't want to be confused with someone who gives a damn about Obammy!


That's the one and the same Obama.

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Aug 15, 2021 12:34:31   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
son of witless wrote:
The man was a total shister. His rhetoric said one thing and he governed the exact opposite. He was nothing but an auctioneer, a salesman, an empty suit, a fracking clown. Most of his own admirers could not explain what he said in his speeches. I know because I asked them WTF this line or that line meant and they couldn't answer.


Isn't he still? There is something about the l*****t creed that makes them say or do wh**ever they want and not actually follow their own dictums.

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Aug 15, 2021 12:51:18   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
dtucker300 wrote:
That's the one and the same Obama.


This should be his official Whitehouse portrait.



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Aug 15, 2021 13:23:44   #
son of witless
 
Michael Rich wrote:
This should be his official Whitehouse portrait.



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Aug 15, 2021 14:46:07   #
jeff smith
 
dtucker300 wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama-poses-a-question-that-we-still-cannot-answer/ar-AANkZVT?ocid=msedgntp

Like Clinton, Obama held so much promise, only to be a failure as a result of their own undoing. What a wasted opportunity it was.

Obama poses a question that we still cannot answer
Analysis By John Blake, CNN 1 hr ago


The "Yes We Can!" bumper sticker that seemed to be plastered on every passing car. The "fired up, ready to go!" chant that once rocked arenas.

Barack Obama standing in front of a crowd: Then-Democratic p**********l nominee Barack Obama waves during a campaign event on October 20, 2008, in Tampa, Florida.© Joe Raedle/Getty Images Then-Democratic p**********l nominee Barack Obama waves during a campaign event on October 20, 2008, in Tampa, Florida.
And, of course, those iconic photos of Black, White, and brown people shedding tears of joy at a victory celebration in Chicago's Grant Park that November evening in 2008.

These are glimpses of "the unadulterated political joy" that millions of Americans felt 13 years ago when Barack Obama was elected the nation's first Black president. They also feel like quaint snapshots of what seems now like another country.

It's hard not to feel nostalgic about those moments because Obama has been back in the news. A new documentary series, "Obama: In Pursuit of a More Perfect Union," is airing on HBO this month. Obama recently celebrated his 60th birthday at his vacation home on Martha's Vineyard. Tributes to the former President have poured in from pundits who argue why Obama still "matters."

a group of people standing in front of a crowd: An Obama supporter holds up a sign reading "Yes we can" as President-elect Barack Obama gives his e******n night victory speech on November 4, 2008, in Chicago's Grant Park.© Eric Thayer/Getty Images An Obama supporter holds up a sign reading "Yes we can" as President-elect Barack Obama gives his e******n night victory speech on November 4, 2008, in Chicago's Grant Park.
But left unsaid in all of these accolades is an inconvenient question that's grown even more urgent after a tumultuous year marked by persistent racial divisions, an i**********n at the US Capitol and a partisan divide over wearing masks during a p******c that's k**led at least 618,000 Americans:

Will we ever believe a political leader who talks about hope and change again?

The fragility of a new America
a person holding a kite in a city: A protester walks by as the American f**g flies at half-staff at the US Capitol on January 8, 2021, in Washington.© John Moore/Getty Images A protester walks by as the American f**g flies at half-staff at the US Capitol on January 8, 2021, in Washington.
It's an inconvenient question, because it's far easier to celebrate Obama's legacy than to consider that many of us abandoned the vision of America he embodied. The nation's first Black president was living proof that the nation could transcend its original sin of r****m, that its citizens could find common ground.

It was Obama who said in arguably his greatest speech that "America is not some fragile thing" that can't tolerate citizens demanding change.

"What greater form of patriotism is there than the belief that America is not yet finished, that we are strong enough to be self-critical?" Obama asked in his 2015 address in Selma, Alabama, on the 50th anniversary of a historic civil rights campaign.

But what happens when a large segment of White America stops pretending it even cares about democracy? What happens when these Americans refuse to accept the results of a p**********l e******n, praise foreign dictators and pass a new wave of v**er restriction laws?

These are the nagging questions that lurk in the background of all the recent nostalgia surrounding Obama.

It's common for pundits invoking Obama's "tattered idealism" to say the former President has changed since 2008. But American v**ers may have changed as well.

Obama may be the political version of the Last of the Mohicans -- a charismatic leader whose soaring rhetoric about transcending our differences now seems as outdated as a Blockbuster video store.

a group of people sitting on a motorcycle in front of a building: Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as they try to storm the US Capitol on J****** 6, 2021 in Washington.© Brent Stirton/Getty Images Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as they try to storm the US Capitol on J****** 6, 2021 in Washington.
The multiracial elation we saw in Grant Park may be the last time in many of our lifetimes we witness such unified joy.

Our politics will get even uglier
That's a brutal thought to contemplate. But consider some of the events of this past year -- even this past month.

The country still hasn't come to terms with a violent i**********n that saw a member of a mob brandish a Confederate f**g during an attack on the Capitol while others hung a noose and scaffold outside on the grounds.

A major political party is passing a wave of laws across the country that may restrict v****g by racial minorities and other groups that don't tend to v**e for them.

Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson, a hero of the right, traveled to Hungary the same week of Obama's 60th birthday to conduct a fawning interview with the country's leader, Viktor Orban, who once said: "...We must defend Hungary as it is now. We must state that we do not want to be diverse and do not want to be mixed. We do not want our own color, traditions and national culture to be mixed with those of others."

Barack Obama et al. riding on the back of a f**g: Then-President elect Barack Obama gestures during an e******n night victory gathering on November 4, 2008, in Chicago.© Chris McGrath/Getty Images Then-President elect Barack Obama gestures during an e******n night victory gathering on November 4, 2008, in Chicago.
And new census data are raising fresh questions about the future of our democracy. For the first time in the country's history, the number of White people in the US is declining -- a benchmark that's come about eight years earlier than projected.

The news should make anyone who knows this country's history shudder. It's been well documented that a segment of White America will abandon any commitment to democracy if they no longer consider themselves the dominant group.

One can envision a future where White politicians and partisan judges double down on v**er restriction laws and appeals to r****m in a desperate bid to hold onto power.

a person holding a sign: A demonstrator holds a sign outside the Pennsylvania Capitol Building to protest the continued closure of businesses due to the c****av***s p******c on May 15, 2020, in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.© Mark Makela/Getty Images A demonstrator holds a sign outside the Pennsylvania Capitol Building to protest the continued closure of businesses due to the c****av***s p******c on May 15, 2020, in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
That's why one commentator warned the shifting US demographics are about to "set our politics on fire."

"If recent history tells us anything, though, it's that the census news will create a fresh wave of right-wing anger, and that much of it will be directed against America's minority populations," Joel Mathis wrote in a recent column in The Week. "Our ugly politics are probably going to get uglier."

In such a future, there may be no leaders who talk about seeking common ground. There will be no stirring oratory about how America doesn't have red or blue states. It'll be a war of attrition where both sides seek only to turn out their bases for e******ns.

a person looking at the camera: US Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene wears a "T***p W*n" face mask as she arrives on the floor of the House to take her oath of office as a newly elected member of the 117th House of Representatives in Washington on January 3, 2021.© ERIN SCOTT/AFP/POOL/Getty Images US Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene wears a "T***p W*n" face mask as she arrives on the floor of the House to take her oath of office as a newly elected member of the 117th House of Representatives in Washington on January 3, 2021.
I foresee this future as a distinct possibility. Leaders will keep speaking to people's fears instead of their hopes. There won't be any poetry in politics, just trench warfare.

Even Obama, who embodies the idea that the US is a work in progress toward a more perfect union, sounded a note of skepticism in his recent memoir, "A Promised Land."

"Except now I found myself asking whether those impulses—of violence, greed, corruption, nationalism, r****m, and religious intolerance, the all-too-human desire to beat back our own uncertainty and mortality and sense of insignificance by subordinating others—were too strong for any democracy to permanently contain," he wrote.

"For they seemed to lie in wait everywhere, ready to resurface whenever growth rates stalled or demographics changed or a charismatic leader chose to ride the wave of people's fears and resentments."

A different type of hope and change
Some say there will always be an audience in America for idealistic leaders who offer visions of hope and change.

"This is a cycle that America always goes through," says Melanye Price, a political scientist who specializes in contemporary Black politics and political rhetoric.

"If I didn't believe that I might as well resign from my job, live off the grid somewhere and prepare for the coming race war."

She says the US has repeatedly shown the ability to "course correct." The Obama era was a glimpse of a country whose arc, to paraphrase Martin Luther King Jr., bends towards justice.

"I rely heavily," she says, "on the Winston Churchill quote: 'You can always count on Americans to do the right thing -- after they've tried everything else.'"

Eric Liu, the author and activist, is one of the most eloquent spokesmen about what makes the US so resilient. In one of my favorite books, "Become America," Liu writes:

"American history is a record of small groups of people who keep remaking this country over and over, and who reveal to us all that the perpetual remaking is the greatest statement of fidelity to our creed and our national purpose, which is not to be like Russia, white and stagnant and oligarchic, or like China, monoethnic and authoritarian and centralized, but to be more like America, hybrid and dynamic and democratic and free to be remade."

Liu says it may be good if Americans don't swoon over a leader the way they once did over Obama -- and for those on the right, former President Trump. He says change comes from the bottom up. It's part of the message he preaches around the country to encourage civic knowledge and engagement.

"My emphasis is on trying to fortify people so they don't need a savior leader to come and put in all their hopes in," he tells me. "I'm always quoting the great organizer Ella Baker, who said, 'Strong people don't need strong leaders.' "

Determining America's future
The massive protests that followed the murder of G****e F***d seemed to vindicate Liu's emphasize on citizen power, not charismatic leadership. It was driven by ordinary people hitting the streets.

But if a large segment of White America abandons any pretense of believing in democracy, I'm not sure we will ever see another leader like Obama gain such wide appeal.

Ours will be a future Obama warned about in his memoir, when the impulses of violence, r****m and intolerance will be too strong for any democracy to contain.

If that becomes our future, some may look back and regard the images of Black, White and Brown people sharing tears of joy in Chicago's Grant Park as quaint and naïve.

And when another charismatic politician says, "There are no red states or blue states, just the United States," people won't cheer and rush out to v**e.

Most won't even listen to such lofty rhetoric anymore.

Is this our future? Or will enough people still believe that "America is not yet finished" and commit to becoming the vibrant, forward-looking multiracial democracy that Obama embodied?

It's a question that Obama can't address. He's done his part.

Only we can answer.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama-pose... (show quote)

what a crook of sh- t . a pure an simple minded turd bomb . you can shove that r****t piece of anal wipe up your donkey.

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Aug 15, 2021 14:47:21   #
jeff smith
 
Michael Rich wrote:
This should be his official Whitehouse portrait.


that's right . that should be his official portrait.

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Aug 15, 2021 14:52:23   #
jeff smith
 
son of witless wrote:
The man was a total shister. His rhetoric said one thing and he governed the exact opposite. He was nothing but an auctioneer, a salesman, an empty suit, a fracking clown. Most of his own admirers could not explain what he said in his speeches. I know because I asked them WTF this line or that line meant and they couldn't answer.


they could never answer a simple question of any thing that thing did FOR AMERICA .
credit where credit is . he was the first Black to obtain the office . BUT DID NOTHING FOR AMERICA . except create more tension and divide.

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Aug 15, 2021 20:34:46   #
son of witless
 
jeff smith wrote:
they could never answer a simple question of any thing that thing did FOR AMERICA .
credit where credit is . he was the first Black to obtain the office . BUT DID NOTHING FOR AMERICA . except create more tension and divide.


So many stupid people thought that v****g for Obama, the Black Guy would absolve them of their White Guilt, even though most of them never committed a r****t act in their lives. They had that Collective White Guilt that Shysters in the Democratic Party planted in their small brains.

Like people who have been bilked out of their life savings from the likes of Bernie Madoff, these suckers still cannot bring themselves to admit that Barry Insane Obama c***ted them. That once he got power, he promoted racial strife. He did it for naked power.

Boy, do I h**e stupid White People.

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Aug 16, 2021 09:22:00   #
Big Kahuna
 
Michael Rich wrote:
This should be his official Whitehouse portrait.


Good one Michael. That pic depicts Bathhouse Barry perfectly.

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Aug 16, 2021 09:47:21   #
currahee506
 
Obama is a c*******t. He is a mouthpiece for the international control freaks who h**e nationalism and want the same utopia (actually, "dystopia") as the pope of the Roman humanist religion who, like Obama, hides behind religious words taken from Christianity.

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