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Aug 12, 2021 00:21:53   #
Riley
 
DeSantis spokeswoman Christina Pushaw

“Protecting individual rights is the cornerstone of conservatism,” Pushaw said in a statement. “If a business or any level of government is infringing upon individual rights . . . then it is indeed conservative for a leader to step in and ensure individual rights are protected.”

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Aug 12, 2021 01:57:00   #
JW
 
Every product from food to medicine, from mouse traps to computers, in fact, every idea of every kind originated in the mind of an individual.

If you want that to continue, the source must be protected. The source is individual initiative and that is only possible when individual rights are guaranteed.

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Aug 12, 2021 02:06:50   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Riley wrote:
DeSantis spokeswoman Christina Pushaw

“Protecting individual rights is the cornerstone of conservatism,” Pushaw said in a statement. “If a business or any level of government is infringing upon individual rights . . . then it is indeed conservative for a leader to step in and ensure individual rights are protected.”


Amen! It's better than CEOs and government deciding for us. We have the left on the ropes, and we're going for the knockout. Pelosi says she's stepping down today. Midterms are beginning to look really good for the GOP. Best to exit now before the audits are released. Evil is being defeated. The left can ask for mercy but they are going to lose all their power. They misused their power and tried to turn the nation into a cesspool. They got way over their skis and Biden didn't help their cause at all. Trump is still winning and so is our military. He said booms would happen this month. I kind of like a leader who is right and fights for us, the people! Cuomo down, Pelosi down, Biden or Newsom must be next. Trump is coming back and e******ns will be held within 120 days after that. This Christmas will be the best ever. He stepped aside but he never stopped fighting the good fight.

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Aug 12, 2021 02:51:26   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Riley wrote:
DeSantis spokeswoman Christina Pushaw

“Protecting individual rights is the cornerstone of conservatism,” Pushaw said in a statement. “If a business or any level of government is infringing upon individual rights . . . then it is indeed conservative for a leader to step in and ensure individual rights are protected.”
James Madison was the primary author of our Constitution.

James Madison, Property

29 Mar. 1792 Papers 14:266--68



This term in its particular application means "that d******n which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."

In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.

In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.

He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.

He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.

He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.

In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.


Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.

Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho' from an opposite cause.

Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, wh**ever is his own.

According to this standard of merit, the praise of affording a just securing to property, should be sparingly bestowed on a government which, however scrupulously guarding the possessions of individuals, does not protect them in the enjoyment and communication of their opinions, in which they have an equal, and in the estimation of some, a more valuable property.

More sparingly should this praise be allowed to a government, where a man's religious rights are violated by penalties, or fettered by tests, or taxed by a hierarchy. Conscience is the most sacred of all property; other property depending in part on positive law, the exercise of that, being a natural and unalienable right. To guard a man's house as his castle, to pay public and enforce private debts with the most exact faith, can give no title to invade a man's conscience which is more sacred than his castle, or to withhold from it that debt of protection, for which the public faith is pledged, by the very nature and original conditions of the social pact.

That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where the property which a man has in his personal safety and personal liberty, is violated by arbitrary seizures of one class of citizens for the service of the rest. A magistrate issuing his warrants to a press gang, would be in his proper functions in Turkey or Indostan, under appellations proverbial of the most compleat despotism.

That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where arbitrary restrictions, exemptions, and monopolies deny to part of its citizens that free use of their faculties, and free choice of their occupations, which not only constitute their property in the general sense of the word; but are the means of acquiring property strictly so called. What must be the spirit of legislation where a manufacturer of linen cloth is forbidden to bury his own child in a linen shroud, in order to favour his neighbour who manufactures woolen cloth; where the manufacturer and wearer of woolen cloth are again forbidden the oeconomical use of buttons of that material, in favor of the manufacturer of buttons of other materials!

A just security to property is not afforded by that government, under which unequal taxes oppress one species of property and reward another species: where arbitrary taxes invade the domestic sanctuaries of the rich, and excessive taxes grind the faces of the poor; where the keenness and competitions of want are deemed an insufficient spur to labor, and taxes are again applied, by an unfeeling policy, as another spur; in violation of that sacred property, which Heaven, in decreeing man to earn his bread by the sweat of his brow, kindly reserved to him, in the small repose that could be spared from the supply of his necessities.

If there be a government then which p***es itself in maintaining the inviolability of property; which provides that none shall be taken directly even for public use without indemnification to the owner, and yet directly violates the property which individuals have in their opinions, their religion, their persons, and their faculties; nay more, which indirectly violates their property, in their actual possessions, in the labor that acquires their daily subsistence, and in the hallowed remnant of time which ought to relieve their fatigues and soothe their cares, the influence [inference?] will have been anticipated, that such a government is not a pattern for the United States.

If the United States mean to obtain or deserve the full praise due to wise and just governments, they will equally respect the rights of property, and the property in rights: they will rival the government that most sacredly guards the former; and by repelling its example in violating the latter, will make themselves a pattern to that and all other governments
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Aug 12, 2021 08:05:57   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
James Madison was the primary author of our Constitution.

James Madison, Property

29 Mar. 1792 Papers 14:266--68



This term in its particular application means "that d******n which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."

In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.

In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.

He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.

He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.

He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.

In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.


Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.

Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho' from an opposite cause.

Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, wh**ever is his own.

According to this standard of merit, the praise of affording a just securing to property, should be sparingly bestowed on a government which, however scrupulously guarding the possessions of individuals, does not protect them in the enjoyment and communication of their opinions, in which they have an equal, and in the estimation of some, a more valuable property.

More sparingly should this praise be allowed to a government, where a man's religious rights are violated by penalties, or fettered by tests, or taxed by a hierarchy. Conscience is the most sacred of all property; other property depending in part on positive law, the exercise of that, being a natural and unalienable right. To guard a man's house as his castle, to pay public and enforce private debts with the most exact faith, can give no title to invade a man's conscience which is more sacred than his castle, or to withhold from it that debt of protection, for which the public faith is pledged, by the very nature and original conditions of the social pact.

That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where the property which a man has in his personal safety and personal liberty, is violated by arbitrary seizures of one class of citizens for the service of the rest. A magistrate issuing his warrants to a press gang, would be in his proper functions in Turkey or Indostan, under appellations proverbial of the most compleat despotism.

That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where arbitrary restrictions, exemptions, and monopolies deny to part of its citizens that free use of their faculties, and free choice of their occupations, which not only constitute their property in the general sense of the word; but are the means of acquiring property strictly so called. What must be the spirit of legislation where a manufacturer of linen cloth is forbidden to bury his own child in a linen shroud, in order to favour his neighbour who manufactures woolen cloth; where the manufacturer and wearer of woolen cloth are again forbidden the oeconomical use of buttons of that material, in favor of the manufacturer of buttons of other materials!

A just security to property is not afforded by that government, under which unequal taxes oppress one species of property and reward another species: where arbitrary taxes invade the domestic sanctuaries of the rich, and excessive taxes grind the faces of the poor; where the keenness and competitions of want are deemed an insufficient spur to labor, and taxes are again applied, by an unfeeling policy, as another spur; in violation of that sacred property, which Heaven, in decreeing man to earn his bread by the sweat of his brow, kindly reserved to him, in the small repose that could be spared from the supply of his necessities.

If there be a government then which p***es itself in maintaining the inviolability of property; which provides that none shall be taken directly even for public use without indemnification to the owner, and yet directly violates the property which individuals have in their opinions, their religion, their persons, and their faculties; nay more, which indirectly violates their property, in their actual possessions, in the labor that acquires their daily subsistence, and in the hallowed remnant of time which ought to relieve their fatigues and soothe their cares, the influence [inference?] will have been anticipated, that such a government is not a pattern for the United States.

If the United States mean to obtain or deserve the full praise due to wise and just governments, they will equally respect the rights of property, and the property in rights: they will rival the government that most sacredly guards the former; and by repelling its example in violating the latter, will make themselves a pattern to that and all other governments
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James Madison was the primary author of our Consti... (show quote)


Shear GENIUS . GENUINE CLEAR THINKING GENIUS.

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Aug 12, 2021 08:29:52   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Riley wrote:
DeSantis spokeswoman Christina Pushaw

“Protecting individual rights is the cornerstone of conservatism,” Pushaw said in a statement. “If a business or any level of government is infringing upon individual rights . . . then it is indeed conservative for a leader to step in and ensure individual rights are protected.”


Individual rights and freedoms end at the next body - meaning - individuals do not have the right to violate or place other persons rights at risk........................says the Constitution.

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Aug 12, 2021 08:40:09   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
James Madison was the primary author of our Constitution.

James Madison, Property

29 Mar. 1792 Papers 14:266--68



This term in its particular application means "that d******n which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."

In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.

In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.

He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.

He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.

He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.

In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.


Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.

Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho' from an opposite cause.

Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, wh**ever is his own.

According to this standard of merit, the praise of affording a just securing to property, should be sparingly bestowed on a government which, however scrupulously guarding the possessions of individuals, does not protect them in the enjoyment and communication of their opinions, in which they have an equal, and in the estimation of some, a more valuable property.

More sparingly should this praise be allowed to a government, where a man's religious rights are violated by penalties, or fettered by tests, or taxed by a hierarchy. Conscience is the most sacred of all property; other property depending in part on positive law, the exercise of that, being a natural and unalienable right. To guard a man's house as his castle, to pay public and enforce private debts with the most exact faith, can give no title to invade a man's conscience which is more sacred than his castle, or to withhold from it that debt of protection, for which the public faith is pledged, by the very nature and original conditions of the social pact.

That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where the property which a man has in his personal safety and personal liberty, is violated by arbitrary seizures of one class of citizens for the service of the rest. A magistrate issuing his warrants to a press gang, would be in his proper functions in Turkey or Indostan, under appellations proverbial of the most compleat despotism.

That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where arbitrary restrictions, exemptions, and monopolies deny to part of its citizens that free use of their faculties, and free choice of their occupations, which not only constitute their property in the general sense of the word; but are the means of acquiring property strictly so called. What must be the spirit of legislation where a manufacturer of linen cloth is forbidden to bury his own child in a linen shroud, in order to favour his neighbour who manufactures woolen cloth; where the manufacturer and wearer of woolen cloth are again forbidden the oeconomical use of buttons of that material, in favor of the manufacturer of buttons of other materials!

A just security to property is not afforded by that government, under which unequal taxes oppress one species of property and reward another species: where arbitrary taxes invade the domestic sanctuaries of the rich, and excessive taxes grind the faces of the poor; where the keenness and competitions of want are deemed an insufficient spur to labor, and taxes are again applied, by an unfeeling policy, as another spur; in violation of that sacred property, which Heaven, in decreeing man to earn his bread by the sweat of his brow, kindly reserved to him, in the small repose that could be spared from the supply of his necessities.

If there be a government then which p***es itself in maintaining the inviolability of property; which provides that none shall be taken directly even for public use without indemnification to the owner, and yet directly violates the property which individuals have in their opinions, their religion, their persons, and their faculties; nay more, which indirectly violates their property, in their actual possessions, in the labor that acquires their daily subsistence, and in the hallowed remnant of time which ought to relieve their fatigues and soothe their cares, the influence [inference?] will have been anticipated, that such a government is not a pattern for the United States.

If the United States mean to obtain or deserve the full praise due to wise and just governments, they will equally respect the rights of property, and the property in rights: they will rival the government that most sacredly guards the former; and by repelling its example in violating the latter, will make themselves a pattern to that and all other governments
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James Madison was the primary author of our Consti... (show quote)


Marvelous!
Don’t pay your bills and see who winds up with your property.

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Aug 12, 2021 09:38:07   #
DASHY
 
Riley wrote:
DeSantis spokeswoman Christina Pushaw

“Protecting individual rights is the cornerstone of conservatism,” Pushaw said in a statement. “If a business or any level of government is infringing upon individual rights . . . then it is indeed conservative for a leader to step in and ensure individual rights are protected.”


A right of personal privacy was protected in Roe v Wade.

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Aug 12, 2021 09:43:05   #
DASHY
 
Riley wrote:
DeSantis spokeswoman Christina Pushaw

“Protecting individual rights is the cornerstone of conservatism,” Pushaw said in a statement. “If a business or any level of government is infringing upon individual rights . . . then it is indeed conservative for a leader to step in and ensure individual rights are protected.”


The right to individual patient protections are covered under the Affordable Care Act.

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Aug 12, 2021 15:33:33   #
Radiance3
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
James Madison was the primary author of our Constitution.

James Madison, Property

29 Mar. 1792 Papers 14:266--68



This term in its particular application means "that d******n which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."

In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.

In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.

He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.

He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.

He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.

In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.


Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.

Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho' from an opposite cause.

Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, wh**ever is his own.

According to this standard of merit, the praise of affording a just securing to property, should be sparingly bestowed on a government which, however scrupulously guarding the possessions of individuals, does not protect them in the enjoyment and communication of their opinions, in which they have an equal, and in the estimation of some, a more valuable property.

More sparingly should this praise be allowed to a government, where a man's religious rights are violated by penalties, or fettered by tests, or taxed by a hierarchy. Conscience is the most sacred of all property; other property depending in part on positive law, the exercise of that, being a natural and unalienable right. To guard a man's house as his castle, to pay public and enforce private debts with the most exact faith, can give no title to invade a man's conscience which is more sacred than his castle, or to withhold from it that debt of protection, for which the public faith is pledged, by the very nature and original conditions of the social pact.

That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where the property which a man has in his personal safety and personal liberty, is violated by arbitrary seizures of one class of citizens for the service of the rest. A magistrate issuing his warrants to a press gang, would be in his proper functions in Turkey or Indostan, under appellations proverbial of the most compleat despotism.

That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where arbitrary restrictions, exemptions, and monopolies deny to part of its citizens that free use of their faculties, and free choice of their occupations, which not only constitute their property in the general sense of the word; but are the means of acquiring property strictly so called. What must be the spirit of legislation where a manufacturer of linen cloth is forbidden to bury his own child in a linen shroud, in order to favour his neighbour who manufactures woolen cloth; where the manufacturer and wearer of woolen cloth are again forbidden the oeconomical use of buttons of that material, in favor of the manufacturer of buttons of other materials!

A just security to property is not afforded by that government, under which unequal taxes oppress one species of property and reward another species: where arbitrary taxes invade the domestic sanctuaries of the rich, and excessive taxes grind the faces of the poor; where the keenness and competitions of want are deemed an insufficient spur to labor, and taxes are again applied, by an unfeeling policy, as another spur; in violation of that sacred property, which Heaven, in decreeing man to earn his bread by the sweat of his brow, kindly reserved to him, in the small repose that could be spared from the supply of his necessities.

If there be a government then which p***es itself in maintaining the inviolability of property; which provides that none shall be taken directly even for public use without indemnification to the owner, and yet directly violates the property which individuals have in their opinions, their religion, their persons, and their faculties; nay more, which indirectly violates their property, in their actual possessions, in the labor that acquires their daily subsistence, and in the hallowed remnant of time which ought to relieve their fatigues and soothe their cares, the influence [inference?] will have been anticipated, that such a government is not a pattern for the United States.

If the United States mean to obtain or deserve the full praise due to wise and just governments, they will equally respect the rights of property, and the property in rights: they will rival the government that most sacredly guards the former; and by repelling its example in violating the latter, will make themselves a pattern to that and all other governments
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James Madison was the primary author of our Consti... (show quote)

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That's a brilliant review and analysis how the Founders had endowed/protected rights of property owners of every citizen .

Government was instituted to protect the property rights of every individual. And when necessary taken for public use, a just compensation is rendered on that property.

On the contrary, at present under this Marxist democrat administration, president Joe Biden is doing the opposite of what the founders had instituted. Biden's asset confiscations consist of the follwing:

1.By raising too high taxes to those who acquired their properties thru hard work and use of their knowledge to earning more income.

2. With the bankruptcy of our federal government due to Biden's massive spending, he planned to create an executive order to confiscate assets of every citizen's money saved in various banking institutions to cover his expensive operations, and to provide for other peoples who don't have.

Biden has also planned to invade the suburban communities to build low income multi-unit housing in order to be make everybody down or equal. It is called the CRT.


When that happens, with differrent kinds of neighbors like B*M thugs, mobs, drug addicts, drug dealers, rapists, i*****l a***ns, human traffickers, the suburban location will no longer be secured and safe. Therefore the owners of those properties will have to move out for their safety and their children. Values of those sububran properties go down and the owners lose almost all of their assets due to value decline. No buyers will come and live there.

When that happens the County, and City, where the Suburb is located will also reduce property taxes. Therefore, the County, and the City, will likewise lose money for their fund operations.

President Joe's executive decisions are very detrimental that will finally disable and destroy our country for life.

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Aug 13, 2021 14:06:11   #
meridianlesilie Loc: mars
 
Riley wrote:
DeSantis spokeswoman Christina Pushaw

“Protecting individual rights is the cornerstone of conservatism,” Pushaw said in a statement. “If a business or any level of government is infringing upon individual rights . . . then it is indeed conservative for a leader to step in and ensure individual rights are protected.”


Joe is a flaw see. https://youtu.be/jPUFwmZN9eo

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Aug 14, 2021 10:00:35   #
WEBCO
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Individual rights and freedoms end at the next body - meaning - individuals do not have the right to violate or place other persons rights at risk........................says the Constitution.


Then shouldn't the censorship of big tech be deemed unconstitutional? Since businesses are treated as individual entities.

Mask mandates would be unconstitutional as well, since you are violating my rights and putting me in danger.

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Aug 14, 2021 10:01:32   #
WEBCO
 
DASHY wrote:
A right of personal privacy was protected in Roe v Wade.


That's just a stupid interpretation.

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Aug 14, 2021 10:11:35   #
The Ms.
 
WEBCO wrote:
That's just a stupid interpretation.


Yes, but that is how stupid bites itself in the ass going forward!

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Aug 14, 2021 10:15:59   #
DASHY
 
WEBCO wrote:
That's just a stupid interpretation.


It is the interpretation that has been defended in courts successfully since 1973.

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