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Sep 12, 2014 09:19:00   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
http://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2014/09/12/obama_rejected_best_military_advice_107435.html

It's not enough that President JV MomPants gave Iraq to the ISIS terrorists because he ignored the advice of people that knew better than he, which was everyone else in the room... But now he's going to ignore there advice on how to defeat them.

You can fix ignorant with education. But you can't fix stupid, because he refuses to learn.

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Obama Rejected "Best Military Advice"
CENTCOM Chief Urged Modest Combat Contingent
By Dustin Walker

As he laid out his strategy to combat the Islamic State in both Iraq and Syria, President Obama rejected the “best military advice” of his top military commander in the Middle East.

Quoting two U.S. military officials, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday that Army Gen. Lloyd Austin, commander of U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), said “that his best military advice was to send a modest contingent of American troops, principally Special Operations forces, to advise and assist Iraqi army units in fighting the militants.”

Austin’s recommendation was taken to the White House by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin Dempsey. The White House rejected CENTCOM’s “advise and assist” contingent due to concerns about placing U.S. ground forces in a frontline role.

In a press briefing Thursday, White House press secretary Josh Earnest said that the president had rejected Austin’s recommendation because he believes “it is not in the best interest of American national security to send American combat troops in a combat operation to act on the ground in Iraq.”

In a nationally-televised speech on Wednesday evening, President Obama repeatedly emphasized that U.S. forces will not have a combat role in Iraq. “We will not get d**gged into another ground war in Iraq,” the president said. He specifically underscored that “this effort will be different from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,” and will resemble U.S. counterterrorism campaigns in Yemen and Somalia.

Instead, President Obama opted for a more modest course, sending an additional 475 troops to assist Iraqi and ethnic Kurdish forces; 150 of those forces will form more than a dozen teams and embed with Iraqi Security Forces at the brigade level and above, according to the Pentagon. In other words, U.S. advisers are likely to remain inside bases assisting with issues like training, intelligence, and equipment. The remainder will be assigned to conduct intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance missions and oversee U.S. military activities at headquarters in Baghdad and Erbil.

Austin’s predecessor, Marine Gen. James Mattis, told the Washington Post that the president’s decision may place the mission at risk. “The American people will once again see us in a war that doesn’t seem to be making progress,” Mattis told the paper. “You’re giving the enemy the initiative for a longer period.”

Supporters of the president’s approach, such as Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.), see U.S. combat troops as unnecessary, and could distract the Iraqi government and security forces from taking necessary steps to drive out ISIS militants. “Ranking Member Smith believes combat forces are not necessary in Iraq and would not help. The key is to reform the Iraqi forces and get the Sunnis to turn against ISIL,” said Michael Amato, spokesman for the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee.

Opponents of combat troops in Iraq say recent successes show the president’s strategy can succeed. U.S. airstrikes have helped repel ISIS advances on the city of Erbil, and aided Iraqi forces in recapturing the Mosul Dam and the city of Amerli.

But the newest phase of the U.S. campaign against ISIS faces substantial risks, including a dependence on Iraqi political and military leaders.

President Obama conditioned additional U.S. action against ISIS on the formation of an inclusive Iraqi government. Now, his strategy relies on the realization of equally inclusive governance under Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi. The president is counting on the prime minister to make substantial progress in healing sectarian wounds that festered under his predecessor, Nouri al-Maliki. But even if the new Shia-led government is determined to reconcile with Iraq’s Sunni minority, lingering resentment and mistrust could impair efforts to convince Sunni tribesmen to reject ISIS and assist in pushing the militants out of the country.

Militarily, the United States is counting on an Iraqi military with a reputation for retreat to join forces with Kurdish and Shiite m*****as to wage a ground offensive to recapture territory held by ISIS. Many military experts are skeptical that the Iraqis – with ineffective military leadership and sectarian divisions throughout their ranks – will be able to defeat determined and ruthless ISIS militants without the kind of American military assistance the president has ruled out to date.

The president’s strict reliance on air power also carries risks. When the United States took on al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) during “the Surge,” the strategy included special operations forces, conventional units, and intelligence operatives on the ground. Those elements are absent from President Obama’s strategy, despite the fact that ISIS is arguably a more powerful enemy than AQI in terms of manpower, weaponry, financial resources, and territory.

The difficulties of relying on airpower are likely to present themselves as U.S. and Iraqi forces attempt to dislodge ISIS militants from major urban centers. In cities like Mosul, Fallujah, and Ramadi, ISIS can adopt a more covert, insurgency-style approach blending in with local populations. In such an environment, sk**led ground troops will be required to sort out enemy forces and remove them block by block.

If Iraqi and Kurdish forces prove unable to carry out such operations and progress against ISIS stalls, would the White House reconsider embedding U.S. special operations forces with frontline Iraqi units to advise and assist?

White House press secretary Josh Earnest delivered a mixed message on that question Thursday. President Obama “is not contemplating deploying additional combat troops on the ground in either Iraq or Syria,” Earnest told reporters. But when asked if the president remains open to mission-specific applications of special operations forces if the need arises, Earnest said he was “not willing to broadly take anything off the table.”

Dustin Walker is the Editor of RealClearDefense.
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Sep 12, 2014 09:48:20   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Super Dave wrote:
http://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2014/09/12/obama_rejected_best_military_advice_107435.html

It's not enough that President JV MomPants gave Iraq to the ISIS terrorists because he ignored the advice of people that knew better than he, which was everyone else in the room... But now he's going to ignore there advice on how to defeat them.

You can fix ignorant with education. But you can't fix stupid, because he refuses to learn.


Uh, did you even listen to what the President said? The 400 odd folks he's sending to advise the Iraqi Army, who do you think they are? Cooks?

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Sep 12, 2014 09:59:58   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Uh, did you even listen to what the President said? The 400 odd folks he's sending to advise the Iraqi Army, who do you think they are? Cooks?
Uhhhh yeah, I did listen. I guess they must be advisers wearing tennis shoes, since there are no boots on the ground.

Why do you think Obama refuses to take military advice from anyone that knows which hand to salute with? You think it's arrogance, or do you think he wants to fail?

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Sep 12, 2014 10:08:07   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Super Dave wrote:
Uhhhh yeah, I did listen. I guess they must be advisers wearing tennis shoes, since there are no boots on the ground.

Why do you think Obama refuses to take military advice from anyone that knows which hand to salute with? You think it's arrogance, or do you think he wants to fail?


No combat troops, that's what "boots on the ground" is referring to. These will be special forces specialists, logistics specialists, weapons specialists, etc. Their job will be to advise the Iraqi army commanders and be our "eyes and ears " on the ground.

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Sep 12, 2014 10:14:48   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
lpnmajor wrote:
No combat troops, that's what "boots on the ground" is referring to. These will be special forces specialists, logistics specialists, weapons specialists, etc. Their job will be to advise the Iraqi army commanders and be our "eyes and ears " on the ground.
So we have 400 sets of eyes and ears on the ground against a terrorist army of 20-35,000 that are willing to cut people's ears and eyes out and toss them on the ground.

The point is that Obama is making a political decision. He won't do what his military and intelligence staff tells him he needs to do, because he's too pig-headed to admit he was wrong, and Romney, Bush, Cheney, and McCain were all right...

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Sep 12, 2014 10:23:47   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Super Dave wrote:
So we have 400 sets of eyes and ears on the ground against a terrorist army of 20-35,000 that are willing to cut people's ears and eyes out and toss them on the ground.

The point is that Obama is making a political decision. He won't do what his military and intelligence staff tells him he needs to do, because he's too pig-headed to admit he was wrong, and Romney, Bush, Cheney, and McCain were all right...


Nope. We don't want to get involved in another war, when we haven't even concluded the two we have now. We don't have the resources anyway. If we DON"T get the co-operation of the Iraqi's, some Syrians and the rest of the Arab nations, we'd be wasting men and materials for no gain.

WE CANNOT DEFEAT ISIS BY OURSELVES. It's that simple.

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Sep 12, 2014 10:25:53   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
Super Dave wrote:
Uhhhh yeah, I did listen. I guess they must be advisers wearing tennis shoes, since there are no boots on the ground.

Why do you think Obama refuses to take military advice from anyone that knows which hand to salute with? You think it's arrogance, or do you think he wants to fail?


This strategy is similar to Putin's strategy in the Ukraine.

The logic is very different.

Putin doesn't want war with the USA. So his assistance is in on the ground specialists.

Obama doesn't want to look double minded, so he is only going to put specialists on the ground.

But this is a "monkey see, monkey do" moment. (No pun intended.) Observing what is being done and imitating without understanding.

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Sep 12, 2014 10:29:35   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Nope. We don't want to get involved in another war, when we haven't even concluded the two we have now. We don't have the resources anyway. If we DON"T get the co-operation of the Iraqi's, some Syrians and the rest of the Arab nations, we'd be wasting men and materials for no gain.

WE CANNOT DEFEAT ISIS BY OURSELVES. It's that simple.


Don't worry. We don't have to. Obama has masterfully brought together a coalition of six nations. Only a little smaller than the ninety-six nation coalition, he destroyed when he took office.

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Sep 12, 2014 10:30:51   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
Don't worry. We don't have to. Obama has masterfully brought together a coalition of six nations. Only a little smaller than the ninety-six nation coalition, he destroyed when he took office.


What 96 nations? What coalition?

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Sep 12, 2014 10:33:14   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
lpnmajor wrote:
No combat troops, that's what "boots on the ground" is referring to. These will be special forces specialists, logistics specialists, weapons specialists, etc. Their job will be to advise the Iraqi army commanders and be our "eyes and ears " on the ground.


Kind of like Vietnam, 'till it was LBJ's turn to drive.

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Sep 12, 2014 10:35:25   #
the waker Loc: 11th freest nation
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
Don't worry. We don't have to. Obama has masterfully brought together a coalition of six nations. Only a little smaller than the ninety-six nation coalition, he destroyed when he took office.


:XD: :lol: :shock: :?:

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Sep 12, 2014 10:36:00   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
But he did not leave some military in Iraq when he pulled out. That is why this problem exists now. He was in such a hurry to complete his pledge to end the wars, he did not take the military's advice at that time. He had been a community organizer before being the President and continued that mode of operation. When questioned about the scandals that have come up in his administration he only heard about it from the news. He only gives lame excuses.

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Sep 12, 2014 10:38:23   #
the waker Loc: 11th freest nation
 
Loki wrote:
Kind of like Vietnam, 'till it was LBJ's turn to drive.


Those who don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.

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Sep 12, 2014 10:43:01   #
Workinman Loc: Bayou Pigeon
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Nope. We don't want to get involved in another war, when we haven't even concluded the two we have now. We don't have the resources anyway. If we DON"T get the co-operation of the Iraqi's, some Syrians and the rest of the Arab nations, we'd be wasting men and materials for no gain.

WE CANNOT DEFEAT ISIS BY OURSELVES. It's that simple.


WAIT!! I thought the war on terror was over, Obama had defeated them, B******i was because of a movie trailer...Come on man...was he lying! :shock:

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Sep 12, 2014 10:55:39   #
CowboyMilt
 
WELL YOU TAKE A MAN WHO WAS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER & A LAWYER OF SORTS WHO MUST BE TRYING TO APPLY HIS COMMUNITY ORGANIZER SK**LS TO DEMOLISH ISEL OR THE STATE OF ISLAM IN IRAG & SYRIA. OBAMA NO LONGER HAS A LICENSE TO PRACTICE LAW SO THAT IS OUT. THE COMMUNITIES HE ORGANIZED WERE MUCH SMALLER THAN IRAG & SYRIA SO THAT'S OUT. HE WON'T TAKE THE ADVISE OF HIS MILITARY LEADERS & WANTS TO DO IT HIS WAY. I THINK WE ARE DOOMED. I FEEL THAT MAYBE IT'S BEST IF OBAMA GOES PLAY GOLF & PERHAPS THIS WILL ALL GO AWAY & THE TOOTH FAIRY WILL COME DOWN TO EARTH & SOLVE EVERYTHING IN THE MESS THAT HE CAUSED BY NOT FOLLOWING HIS MILITARY ADVISERS IN THE FIRST PLACE...IF THIS MAKES NO SENSE THEN IT MUST BE TRUE...GOD BLESS AMERICA...

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