moldyoldy

The country has not moved on. Even with video half the country was not ready to finally convict a cop of murder. This was not his first time kneeling on a person’s neck. Maybe in your ivory tower every thing is fine.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

moldyoldy

From someone who teaches AP US History:

If you are confused as to why so many Americans are defending the confederate f**g, monuments, and statues right now, I put together a quick Q&A, with questions from a hypothetical person with misconceptions and answers from my perspective as an AP U.S. History Teacher:

Q: What did the Confederacy stand for?

A: Rather than interpreting, let's go directly to the words of the Confederacy's Vice President, Alexander Stephens. In his "Cornerstone Speech" on March 21, 1861, he stated "The Constitution... rested upon the e******y of races. This was an error. Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great t***h that the negro is not equal to the white man; that s***ery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral t***h."

Q: But people keep saying heritage, not h**e! They think the purpose of the f**gs and monuments are to honor confederate soldiers, right?

A: The vast majority of confederate f**gs flying over government buildings in the south were first put up in the 1960's during the Civil Rights Movement. So for the first hundred years after the Civil War ended, while relatives of those who fought in it were still alive, the confederate f**g wasn't much of a symbol at all. But when Martin Luther King, Jr. and John Lewis were marching on Washington to get the Civil Rights Act (1964) and V****g Rights Act (1965) passed, leaders in the south felt compelled to fly confederate f**gs and put up monuments to honor people who had no living family members and had fought in a war that ended a century ago. Their purpose in doing this was to exhibit their displeasure with black people fighting for basic human rights that were guaranteed to them in the 14th and 15th Amendments but being withheld by r****t policies and practices.

Q: But if we take down confederate statues and monuments, how will we teach about and remember the past?

A: Monuments and statues pose little educational relevance, whereas museums, the rightful place for Confederate paraphernalia, can provide more educational opportunities for citizens to learn about our country's history. The Civil War is important to learn about, and will always loom large in social studies curriculum. Removing monuments from public places and putting them in museums also allows us to avoid celebrating and honoring people who believed that tens of millions of b***k A******ns should be legal property.

Q: But what if the Confederate f**g symbol means something different to me?

A: Individuals aren't able to change the meaning of symbols that have been defined by history. When I hang a Bucs f**g outside my house, to me, the Bucs might represent the best team in the NFL, but to the outside world, they represent an awful NFL team, since they haven't won a playoff game in 18 years. I can't change that meaning for everyone who drives by my house because it has been established for the whole world to see. If a Confederate f**g stands for generic r*******n or southern p***e to you, your personal interpretation forfeits any meaning once you display it publicly, as its meaning takes on the meaning it earned when a failed regime k**led hundreds of thousands of Americans in an attempt to destroy America and keep black people ens***ed forever.

Q: But my uncle posted a meme that said the Civil War/Confederacy was about state's rights and not s***ery?

A: "A state's right to what?" - John Green

Q: Everyone is offended about everything these days. Should we take everything down that offends anyone?

A: The Confederacy literally existed to go against the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the idea that black people are human beings that deserve to live freely. If that doesn't upset or offend you, you are un-American.

Q: Taking these down goes against the First Amendment and freedom of speech, right?

A: No. Anyone can do wh**ever they want on their private property, on their social media, etc. Taking these down in public, or having private corporations like NASCAR ban them on their properties, has literally nothing to do with the Bill of Rights.

Q: How can people claim to be patriotic while supporting a f**g that stood for a group of insurgent failures who tried to permanently destroy America and k**led 300,000 Americans in the process?

A: No clue.

Q: So if I made a confederate f**g my profile picture, or put a confederate bumper sticker on my car, what am I declaring to my friends, family, and the world?

A: That you support the Confederacy. To recap, the Confederacy stands for: s***ery, w***e s*******y, treason, failure, and a desire to permanently destroy Selective history as it supports w***e s*******y.

It’s no accident that:

You learned about Helen Keller instead of W.E.B, DuBois

You learned about the Watts and L.A. R**ts, but not Tulsa or Wilmington.

You learned that George Washington’s dentures were made from wood, rather than the teeth from s***es.

You learned about black ghettos, but not about Black Wall Street.

You learned about the New Deal, but not “red lining.”

You learned about Tommie Smith’s fist in the air at the 1968 Olympics, but not that he was sent home the next day and stripped of his medals.

You learned about “black crime,” but white criminals were never lumped together and discussed in terms of their race.

You learned about “states rights” as the cause of the Civil War, but not that s***ery was mentioned 80 times in the articles of secession.

Privilege is having history rewritten so that you don’t have to acknowledge uncomfortable facts.

R****m is perpetuated by people who refuse to learn or acknowledge this reality.

You have a choice. - Jim Golden”

Voiceodppl

Floyd had a lethal dose of drugs in him and health issues. Beyond a reasonable doubt was not proven in our eyes. You won’t miss Floyd’s contribution to society but you might miss Chauvin’s.

moldyoldy

Chauvin could have k**led many more, since he had a habit of kneeling on necks. Eighteen complaints that were recorded, who knows how many were not.

There was no evidence of a lethal dose of anything brought out in court. Maybe your evidence is produced by fox or oan.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Why did there have to be a war? States leaving the union were not imposing their beliefs upon those who stayed.

moldyoldy

That’s your interpretation, each wanted to impose their beliefs.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

How were they imposing their beliefs on the states who were not succeeding??

moldyoldy

They wanted s***ery to expand, they had laws passed so that s***es would remain s***es even in free states.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

That makes ssense although s***ery wasn't the only issue.

jwrevagent

When on earth are we going to grow up and stop accusing people of ideals we cannot possibly be sure they hold? Would some one please define "r****m" as used so often on this forum? Is it only White people discriminating against b****s? Or is it sometimes the other way around? Or how about white versus red? Or Brown, or Yellow, or wh**ever color of the rainbow you choose? What about mixed race? Accusing some one of being r****t is childish, silly, and shows absolutely that you have no real argument, and that is the last arrow in your quiver! I have not met, nor do I know well, many of the people from cultures and areas of the world I may or may not like as people, so I suppose I can be called r****t in the larger sense-I simply do not know. Right now, I do not care about the skin color of anyone, since I find most people to have some pretty reprehensible thoughts and ideas sometimes.

moldyoldy

Facing America's History of R****m Requires Facing the Origins of 'Race' as a Concept

https://time.com/5865530/history-race-concept/?amp=true

jwrevagent

Interesting, but does not truly address the question of what is meant by "r****m" or "r****t" on this forum-if it is only white vs black, then what accounts for the other races and some of the hardships they endured from people of many countries? Personally, basing any decision as to the worth of an individual purely on their skin color is so totally ridiculous as to be worthy of all the ridicule heaped upon those of that bent. But, again, in most cases on this forum, you cannot possibly know the state of some one's mind as to race-sometimes you have no idea what race they are and it is even more foolish to yell "Race!" But it simply might be that these days, people are clamoring to be a victim, which is upside down from the norm. If you are a victim, it follows that you are weak and need to be led. Perhaps that is the whole idea though, huh?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Oh please, race is race, just like g****r/sex is g****r/sex. Now lets see, people from the north like typically have white skin and light hair, people from Africa have dark skin an dark kinky hair, while latinos typically have brown skin and straight dark hair, and there are many more "races." The races originated from a combination of genetics and environment which selected for certain traits over thousands and thousands of years. Races are not cultures but more often than not each race has a distinguishing culture and then there are the religious things which are part of the culture and history of said people.

We also know that all races of human beings can breed and produce viable offspring so all races of humans are of the same species with some physiological differences but they are still of the same species.

We do not need to feel guilty for this, no matter what the history. We live now and we know better. We don't need to instill in some races that others have kept them down and apparently, according to you l*****ts, still do. I am sure some do. We get it. But things are getting better but for all this increased rebirth of r****m brought on by l*****t thinking and now, CRT.