By Norman Plume, American citizen/blogger...December, 2020 (lightly edited)
Is the ‘e******n f***d’ claiming won Joe Biden the 2020 e******n even logistically possible?
Every so often, I'm presented conspiracy theories bought into on YouTube. What I always tell those who buy into them is that, by the time you add a person to a conspiracy, you increase the chances of being found out and thwarted as the number of people you add to the 'conspiracy' increases exponentially. One acting alone can keep a secret, but with another, the odds more than double. Add a third person, and now you are relying on 2 people to keep the secret. Now, every time you add someone, you increase the chances of being found increased massively more and more. Conspiracies that involve hundreds, if not thousands, are nearly impossible to keep, and rely on those looking for a conspiracy to fall for a counter-plot.
It is highly doubtful there was significant e******n f***d. It relies on thousands of people taking part in a vast conspiracy, all of whom are faithful to that conspiracy, and accomplishing it without leaving any physical evidence. This is a case where Occam’s razor rules the day. You have 2 competing theories. One that there was a massive conspiracy that involved thousands, if not tens of thousands of people, all of whom were working in concert with each other to carry out e******n f***d so that their candidate wins by a microscopic amount. Yet, that party also loses the Senate* and loses many of their seats in the House. The other theory is that Trump lost, as he was expected to. So, with those two theories, which assumes the least? Which is the simpler explanation?
So, lets look at what would need to happen. Those trying to throw the e******n would have to get their hands on tens of thousands of b****ts without anyone finding out about that. They couldn’t just intercept the mailed b****ts as thousands of people would not receive theirs, would report this, and this would lead to the 'conspiracy' being found out. Now, they would have to have thousands of b****ts, they would have to either put names on the outer envelope and signatures that matched the records of tens of thousands of v**ers while KNOWING BEFOREHAND who was going to v**e, and who was not going to v**e. Or, they could intercept the b****ts (without anyone finding out), destroying the b****ts and envelopes and counterfeiting the signatures on those b****ts they were replacing. The only way to do this somewhat effectively would be to do it in areas where Trump was expected to win (you open b****ts and some are for Trump, some are for Biden. If you do this in a Biden area, most of the b****ts would be a Biden v**e replacing a Biden v**e. For this to work, you’d have to go to a Trump county where most of the v**es you open and destroy are Trump v**es). Now, the fact is that they are not looking at Trump areas, but Biden areas, which really makes no sense. The simple fact is that there is almost no chance this could have happened.
Lets throw in that, of all of the “Evidence” found, none was acceptable in a court. Nothing reliable… NOTHING.
*At the time of Mr. Plume's writing, the Georgia Senatorial races had not yet been determined.
slatten49 wrote:
By Norman Plume, American citizen/blogger...December, 2020 (lightly edited)
Is the ‘e******n f***d’ claiming won Joe Biden the 2020 e******n even logistically possible?
Every so often, I'm presented conspiracy theories bought into on YouTube. What I always tell those who buy into them is that, by the time you add a person to a conspiracy, you increase the chances of being found out and thwarted as the number of people you add to the 'conspiracy' increases exponentially. One acting alone can keep a secret, but with another, the odds more than double. Add a third person, and now you are relying on 2 people to keep the secret. Now, every time you add someone, you increase the chances of being found increased massively more and more. Conspiracies that involve hundreds, if not thousands, are nearly impossible to keep, and rely on those looking for a conspiracy to fall for a counter-plot.
It is highly doubtful there was significant e******n f***d. It relies on thousands of people taking part in a vast conspiracy, all of whom are faithful to that conspiracy, and accomplishing it without leaving any physical evidence. This is a case where Occam’s razor rules the day. You have 2 competing theories. One that there was a massive conspiracy that involved thousands, if not tens of thousands of people, all of whom were working in concert with each other to carry out e******n f***d so that their candidate wins by a microscopic amount. Yet, that party also loses the Senate* and loses many of their seats in the House. The other theory is that Trump lost, as he was expected to. So, with those two theories, which assumes the least? Which is the simpler explanation?
So, lets look at what would need to happen. Those trying to throw the e******n would have to get their hands on tens of thousands of b****ts without anyone finding out about that. They couldn’t just intercept the mailed b****ts as thousands of people would not receive theirs, would report this, and this would lead to the 'conspiracy' being found out. Now, they would have to have thousands of b****ts, they would have to either put names on the outer envelope and signatures that matched the records of tens of thousands of v**ers while KNOWING BEFOREHAND who was going to v**e, and who was not going to v**e. Or, they could intercept the b****ts (without anyone finding out), destroying the b****ts and envelopes and counterfeiting the signatures on those b****ts they were replacing. The only way to do this somewhat effectively would be to do it in areas where Trump was expected to win (you open b****ts and some are for Trump, some are for Biden. If you do this in a Biden area, most of the b****ts would be a Biden v**e replacing a Biden v**e. For this to work, you’d have to go to a Trump county where most of the v**es you open and destroy are Trump v**es). Now, the fact is that they are not looking at Trump areas, but Biden areas, which really makes no sense. The simple fact is that there is almost no chance this could have happened.
Lets throw in that, of all of the “Evidence” found, none was acceptable in a court. Nothing reliable… NOTHING.
*At the time of Mr. Plume's writing, the Georgia Senatorial races had not yet been determined.
By Norman Plume, American citizen/blogger...Decemb... (
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Unfortunately, common sense and logic don't apply.
slatten49 wrote:
By Norman Plume, American citizen/blogger...December, 2020 (lightly edited)
Is the ‘e******n f***d’ claiming won Joe Biden the 2020 e******n even logistically possible?
Every so often, I'm presented conspiracy theories bought into on YouTube. What I always tell those who buy into them is that, by the time you add a person to a conspiracy, you increase the chances of being found out and thwarted as the number of people you add to the 'conspiracy' increases exponentially. One acting alone can keep a secret, but with another, the odds more than double. Add a third person, and now you are relying on 2 people to keep the secret. Now, every time you add someone, you increase the chances of being found increased massively more and more. Conspiracies that involve hundreds, if not thousands, are nearly impossible to keep, and rely on those looking for a conspiracy to fall for a counter-plot.
It is highly doubtful there was significant e******n f***d. It relies on thousands of people taking part in a vast conspiracy, all of whom are faithful to that conspiracy, and accomplishing it without leaving any physical evidence. This is a case where Occam’s razor rules the day. You have 2 competing theories. One that there was a massive conspiracy that involved thousands, if not tens of thousands of people, all of whom were working in concert with each other to carry out e******n f***d so that their candidate wins by a microscopic amount. Yet, that party also loses the Senate* and loses many of their seats in the House. The other theory is that Trump lost, as he was expected to. So, with those two theories, which assumes the least? Which is the simpler explanation?
So, lets look at what would need to happen. Those trying to throw the e******n would have to get their hands on tens of thousands of b****ts without anyone finding out about that. They couldn’t just intercept the mailed b****ts as thousands of people would not receive theirs, would report this, and this would lead to the 'conspiracy' being found out. Now, they would have to have thousands of b****ts, they would have to either put names on the outer envelope and signatures that matched the records of tens of thousands of v**ers while KNOWING BEFOREHAND who was going to v**e, and who was not going to v**e. Or, they could intercept the b****ts (without anyone finding out), destroying the b****ts and envelopes and counterfeiting the signatures on those b****ts they were replacing. The only way to do this somewhat effectively would be to do it in areas where Trump was expected to win (you open b****ts and some are for Trump, some are for Biden. If you do this in a Biden area, most of the b****ts would be a Biden v**e replacing a Biden v**e. For this to work, you’d have to go to a Trump county where most of the v**es you open and destroy are Trump v**es). Now, the fact is that they are not looking at Trump areas, but Biden areas, which really makes no sense. The simple fact is that there is almost no chance this could have happened.
Lets throw in that, of all of the “Evidence” found, none was acceptable in a court. Nothing reliable… NOTHING.
*At the time of Mr. Plume's writing, the Georgia Senatorial races had not yet been determined.
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It only took a few thousand v**es in a few key battle ground states to be "significant" v***r f***d, but certainly there wasn't wide spread fraud. And in those states we find that the laws regarding legal b****ts were changed illegally by individuals and not state legislatures, mostly involving the distribution and collection of mail in b****ts, drive through v****g and other situations in which v***r f***d could be handled by a few and not "many" as that would most definitely make it hard to hide. And those who came forward who were there in the know, were never allowed to be heard in court.
slatten49 wrote:
By Norman Plume, American citizen/blogger...December, 2020 (lightly edited)
Is the ‘e******n f***d’ claiming won Joe Biden the 2020 e******n even logistically possible?
Every so often, I'm presented conspiracy theories bought into on YouTube. What I always tell those who buy into them is that, by the time you add a person to a conspiracy, you increase the chances of being found out and thwarted as the number of people you add to the 'conspiracy' increases exponentially. One acting alone can keep a secret, but with another, the odds more than double. Add a third person, and now you are relying on 2 people to keep the secret. Now, every time you add someone, you increase the chances of being found increased massively more and more. Conspiracies that involve hundreds, if not thousands, are nearly impossible to keep, and rely on those looking for a conspiracy to fall for a counter-plot.
It is highly doubtful there was significant e******n f***d. It relies on thousands of people taking part in a vast conspiracy, all of whom are faithful to that conspiracy, and accomplishing it without leaving any physical evidence. This is a case where Occam’s razor rules the day. You have 2 competing theories. One that there was a massive conspiracy that involved thousands, if not tens of thousands of people, all of whom were working in concert with each other to carry out e******n f***d so that their candidate wins by a microscopic amount. Yet, that party also loses the Senate* and loses many of their seats in the House. The other theory is that Trump lost, as he was expected to. So, with those two theories, which assumes the least? Which is the simpler explanation?
So, lets look at what would need to happen. Those trying to throw the e******n would have to get their hands on tens of thousands of b****ts without anyone finding out about that. They couldn’t just intercept the mailed b****ts as thousands of people would not receive theirs, would report this, and this would lead to the 'conspiracy' being found out. Now, they would have to have thousands of b****ts, they would have to either put names on the outer envelope and signatures that matched the records of tens of thousands of v**ers while KNOWING BEFOREHAND who was going to v**e, and who was not going to v**e. Or, they could intercept the b****ts (without anyone finding out), destroying the b****ts and envelopes and counterfeiting the signatures on those b****ts they were replacing. The only way to do this somewhat effectively would be to do it in areas where Trump was expected to win (you open b****ts and some are for Trump, some are for Biden. If you do this in a Biden area, most of the b****ts would be a Biden v**e replacing a Biden v**e. For this to work, you’d have to go to a Trump county where most of the v**es you open and destroy are Trump v**es). Now, the fact is that they are not looking at Trump areas, but Biden areas, which really makes no sense. The simple fact is that there is almost no chance this could have happened.
Lets throw in that, of all of the “Evidence” found, none was acceptable in a court. Nothing reliable… NOTHING.
*At the time of Mr. Plume's writing, the Georgia Senatorial races had not yet been determined.
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Not a conspiracy when it’s true! Not our president! He was planted like ovomit but they got better at the steal!
ChJoe wrote:
It only took a few thousand v**es in a few key battle ground states to be "significant" v***r f***d, but certainly there wasn't wide spread fraud. And in those states we find that the laws regarding legal b****ts were changed illegally by individuals and not state legislatures, mostly involving the distribution and collection of mail in b****ts, drive through v****g and other situations in which v***r f***d could be handled by a few and not "many" as that would most definitely make it hard to hide. And those who came forward who were there in the know, were never allowed to be heard in court.
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Of all the OPP protagonists for the case of e******n f***d, you and BigMike stand out. Unfortunately for both of you, IMHO, it is a lost cause and for good reason: E******n f***d in 2020 was, as usual...infinitesimal. But I appreciate both your passions.
Eventually, perhaps you and Mike will acquiesce to a quote attributed to Ben Franklin": If passion drives you, let reason hold the reins".
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Not a conspiracy when it’s true! Not our president! He was planted like ovomit but they got better at the steal!
Good to see your usual, feisty ol' self
slatten49 wrote:
Of all the OPP protagonists for the case of e******n f***d, you and BigMike stand out. Unfortunately for both of you, IMHO, it is a lost cause and for good reason: E******n f***d was, as usual...infinitesimal. But I appreciate both your passions.
Eventually, perhaps you & Mike will submit to a quote attributed to Benjamin Franklin..."If passion
drives you, let reason hold the reins".
Of all the OPP protagonists for the case of e*****... (
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Perhaps one day, you deniers will submit to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, “There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact.”
And although you don't fall totally into this category, “The most confused you will ever get is when you try to convince your heart and spirit of something your mind knows is a lie.” Convincing yourself that a guy like Biden actually won is truly a feat, in and of itself.
slatten49 wrote:
Of all the OPP protagonists for the case of e******n f***d, you and BigMike stand out. Unfortunately for both of you, IMHO, it is a lost cause and for good reason: E******n f***d in 2020 was, as usual...infinitesimal. But I appreciate both your passions.
Eventually, perhaps you and Mike will acquiesce to a quote attributed to Ben Franklin": If passion drives you, let reason hold the reins".
Of all the OPP protagonists for the case of e*****... (
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Actually it was't. PHD's in math and statistics have proven the chance that the amount of v**es i***t Joe purportedly received is statistically impossible. Common sense tells me that i***t Joe didn't receive more inner city v**es than even Barrack Obama received. There has been plenty of video evidence, I have see in state hearings that courts wouldn't rule on, of irregularities. One thing that isn't in dispute; Bureaucrats in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, and Arizona changed v****g regulations. All of those states Constitutions say v****g laws must be passed or changed by State Legislation only. I guess you believe H****r B***n's art is selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars simply because it's that good?
JFlorio wrote:
Actually it was't. PHD's in math and statistics have proven the chance that the amount of v**es i***t Joe purportedly received is statistically impossible. Common sense tells me that i***t Joe didn't receive more inner city v**es than even Barrack Obama received. There has been plenty of video evidence, I have see in state hearings that courts wouldn't rule on, of irregularities. One thing that isn't in dispute; Bureaucrats in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, and Arizona changed v****g regulations. All of those states Constitutions say v****g laws must be passed or changed by State Legislation only. I guess you believe H****r B***n's art is selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars simply because it's that good?
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Good mornin', J
The only art that has ever interested me was that of my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
slatten49 wrote:
Good mornin', J
The only art that has ever interested me was that of my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
That being said, why do you think people are paying $500,000 for art from a guy who started painting 5 minutes ago??
ChJoe wrote:
That being said, why do you think people are paying $500,000 for art from a guy who started painting 5 minutes ago??
Stay on topic, Joe. You're muddying the waters. Start another thread on any subject you choose.
BTW & FYI, my grandchildren's and great-grandchildren's artworks are worth at least that much.
Strycker
Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
slatten49 wrote:
By Norman Plume, American citizen/blogger...December, 2020 (lightly edited)
Is the ‘e******n f***d’ claiming won Joe Biden the 2020 e******n even logistically possible?
Every so often, I'm presented conspiracy theories bought into on YouTube. What I always tell those who buy into them is that, by the time you add a person to a conspiracy, you increase the chances of being found out and thwarted as the number of people you add to the 'conspiracy' increases exponentially. One acting alone can keep a secret, but with another, the odds more than double. Add a third person, and now you are relying on 2 people to keep the secret. Now, every time you add someone, you increase the chances of being found increased massively more and more. Conspiracies that involve hundreds, if not thousands, are nearly impossible to keep, and rely on those looking for a conspiracy to fall for a counter-plot.
It is highly doubtful there was significant e******n f***d. It relies on thousands of people taking part in a vast conspiracy, all of whom are faithful to that conspiracy, and accomplishing it without leaving any physical evidence. This is a case where Occam’s razor rules the day. You have 2 competing theories. One that there was a massive conspiracy that involved thousands, if not tens of thousands of people, all of whom were working in concert with each other to carry out e******n f***d so that their candidate wins by a microscopic amount. Yet, that party also loses the Senate* and loses many of their seats in the House. The other theory is that Trump lost, as he was expected to. So, with those two theories, which assumes the least? Which is the simpler explanation?
So, lets look at what would need to happen. Those trying to throw the e******n would have to get their hands on tens of thousands of b****ts without anyone finding out about that. They couldn’t just intercept the mailed b****ts as thousands of people would not receive theirs, would report this, and this would lead to the 'conspiracy' being found out. Now, they would have to have thousands of b****ts, they would have to either put names on the outer envelope and signatures that matched the records of tens of thousands of v**ers while KNOWING BEFOREHAND who was going to v**e, and who was not going to v**e. Or, they could intercept the b****ts (without anyone finding out), destroying the b****ts and envelopes and counterfeiting the signatures on those b****ts they were replacing. The only way to do this somewhat effectively would be to do it in areas where Trump was expected to win (you open b****ts and some are for Trump, some are for Biden. If you do this in a Biden area, most of the b****ts would be a Biden v**e replacing a Biden v**e. For this to work, you’d have to go to a Trump county where most of the v**es you open and destroy are Trump v**es). Now, the fact is that they are not looking at Trump areas, but Biden areas, which really makes no sense. The simple fact is that there is almost no chance this could have happened.
Lets throw in that, of all of the “Evidence” found, none was acceptable in a court. Nothing reliable… NOTHING.
*At the time of Mr. Plume's writing, the Georgia Senatorial races had not yet been determined.
By Norman Plume, American citizen/blogger...Decemb... (
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Actually, you don't need thousands or even hundreds of people involved in a complex massive conspiracy to get the results needed. You only need to create a system that allows liberal interpretation of the rules with weak oversight under the guise of a national emergency and then encourage people to game the system in a certain way for a perceived greater good. Get the ball rolling with a little manipulation and then let it play out. You only need to look at the protests and r**ts all last year to see how easy it is to manipulate people into doing wrong actions merely by convincing them the cause is just.
slatten49 wrote:
By Norman Plume, American citizen/blogger...December, 2020 (lightly edited)
Is the ‘e******n f***d’ claiming won Joe Biden the 2020 e******n even logistically possible?
Every so often, I'm presented conspiracy theories bought into on YouTube. What I always tell those who buy into them is that, by the time you add a person to a conspiracy, you increase the chances of being found out and thwarted as the number of people you add to the 'conspiracy' increases exponentially. One acting alone can keep a secret, but with another, the odds more than double. Add a third person, and now you are relying on 2 people to keep the secret. Now, every time you add someone, you increase the chances of being found increased massively more and more. Conspiracies that involve hundreds, if not thousands, are nearly impossible to keep, and rely on those looking for a conspiracy to fall for a counter-plot.
It is highly doubtful there was significant e******n f***d. It relies on thousands of people taking part in a vast conspiracy, all of whom are faithful to that conspiracy, and accomplishing it without leaving any physical evidence. This is a case where Occam’s razor rules the day. You have 2 competing theories. One that there was a massive conspiracy that involved thousands, if not tens of thousands of people, all of whom were working in concert with each other to carry out e******n f***d so that their candidate wins by a microscopic amount. Yet, that party also loses the Senate* and loses many of their seats in the House. The other theory is that Trump lost, as he was expected to. So, with those two theories, which assumes the least? Which is the simpler explanation?
So, lets look at what would need to happen. Those trying to throw the e******n would have to get their hands on tens of thousands of b****ts without anyone finding out about that. They couldn’t just intercept the mailed b****ts as thousands of people would not receive theirs, would report this, and this would lead to the 'conspiracy' being found out. Now, they would have to have thousands of b****ts, they would have to either put names on the outer envelope and signatures that matched the records of tens of thousands of v**ers while KNOWING BEFOREHAND who was going to v**e, and who was not going to v**e. Or, they could intercept the b****ts (without anyone finding out), destroying the b****ts and envelopes and counterfeiting the signatures on those b****ts they were replacing. The only way to do this somewhat effectively would be to do it in areas where Trump was expected to win (you open b****ts and some are for Trump, some are for Biden. If you do this in a Biden area, most of the b****ts would be a Biden v**e replacing a Biden v**e. For this to work, you’d have to go to a Trump county where most of the v**es you open and destroy are Trump v**es). Now, the fact is that they are not looking at Trump areas, but Biden areas, which really makes no sense. The simple fact is that there is almost no chance this could have happened.
Lets throw in that, of all of the “Evidence” found, none was acceptable in a court. Nothing reliable… NOTHING.
*At the time of Mr. Plume's writing, the Georgia Senatorial races had not yet been determined.
By Norman Plume, American citizen/blogger...Decemb... (
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You have to understand all that matters is what conservatives believe. Logic and FACTS are lost on them. Every time you are logical or use facts with them they revert to their alternate reality, or alternate facts, point to hypocrisy, or simply hold their breaths and pretend that you aren't there. You can't win against people who are obstinately ignorant, who live in a world where the irrational is rational, and where only what they believe to be true...is!
Strycker wrote:
Actually, you don't need thousands or even hundreds of people involved in a complex massive conspiracy to get the results needed. You only need to create a system that allows liberal interpretation of the rules with weak oversight under the guise of a national emergency and then encourage people to game the system in a certain way for a perceived greater good. Get the ball rolling with a little manipulation and then let it play out. You only need to look at the protests and r**ts all last year to see how easy it is to manipulate people into doing wrong actions merely by convincing them the cause is just.
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You missed the point, the more people in a conspiracy, the more impossible it becomes for the conspiracy to remain a secret. So where are all the "liberals" who admit to gaming the system? You cons believe they are there. If there are thousands of people who participated then there should be dozens who will corroborate what you say they've done. Where are they? Show use one that stood up to corroborate what you say?
JFlorio wrote:
Actually it was't. PHD's in math and statistics have proven the chance that the amount of v**es i***t Joe purportedly received is statistically impossible. Common sense tells me that i***t Joe didn't receive more inner city v**es than even Barrack Obama received. There has been plenty of video evidence, I have see in state hearings that courts wouldn't rule on, of irregularities. One thing that isn't in dispute; Bureaucrats in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, and Arizona changed v****g regulations. All of those states Constitutions say v****g laws must be passed or changed by State Legislation only. I guess you believe H****r B***n's art is selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars simply because it's that good?
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Who were the PhDs and who's common sense...YOURS?
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