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May 9, 2021 18:55:58   #
Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Thomas Jefferson’s mother was born in England to a colonial father and English mother.
Andrew Jackson’s parents were both born in Ireland.
James Buchanan’s father was born in Ireland.
Chester Arthur’s father was born in Ireland.
Woodrow Wilson’s mother was born in England to Scottish parents.
Herbert Hoover’s mother was born in Canada.
Barack Obama’s father was born in Kenya.
Donald Trump’s mother (above) was born in Scotland.


Andrew Jackson's parents were Scots-Irish
Obama was not born on U.S. soil.

https://constitutionstudy.com/2019/09/20/vattels-law-of-nations-and-the-u-s-constitution/
Is there a simpler explanation of the term “natural born citizen”?

Assuming the simplest answer is usually the best, I then looked for that simple answer to our question. Both Vattel and Noah Webster (whose dictionary I use as a reference document) agree that a natural born citizen is also a native citizen.

The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

The Law of Nations, Article 212
2. A native; an original inhabitant.

Trump's mother was naturalized before he was born.

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May 9, 2021 19:04:08   #
Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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But all those born outside the US have parents with US citizenship, or those who were in the US, before the Constitution was established. Still natural born.

Those you've mentioned were parents of the the presidents. They could be born in Europe or elsewhere, but they were US citizens when their sons who became presidents where born.

They were all citizens of the US when their children were born either in the US, or US territories outside the US. We are talking about the natural birth of those presidents or those who wanted to run for the office of the president. They must be Natural Born.
Natural born are those born in the US or US territories with US citizen parents. But Congress changed that when Obama came in. They removed the parent's citizenship, and made anchor babies now available to be president of the US. Like Kamala, the ho.
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But Obama was born in Kenya. The birth certificate they produced that showed he was born in Hawaii was a forgery.

Kamala Harris was an anchor baby!

My personal opinion is that no one who comes from a foreign country, or whose parents come from a foreign country should be eligible to become POTUS. Why? Because their allegiance is not to this country!!!

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May 9, 2021 21:03:23   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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But all those born outside the US have parents with US citizenship, or those who were in the US, before the Constitution was established. Still natural born.

Those you've mentioned were parents of the the presidents. They could be born in Europe or elsewhere, but they were US citizens when their sons who became presidents where born.

They were all citizens of the US when their children were born either in the US, or US territories outside the US. We are talking about the natural birth of those presidents or those who wanted to run for the office of the president. They must be Natural Born.
Natural born are those born in the US or US territories with US citizen parents. But Congress changed that when Obama came in. They removed the parent's citizenship, and made anchor babies now available to be president of the US. Like Kamala, the ho.
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Yes, and Chief Justice Roberts had a lot to do with it. Rather than create a crisis over an illegitimate man already elected, Turncoat Roberts decided to let it go.

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May 9, 2021 21:37:45   #
Radiance3
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
But Obama was born in Kenya. The birth certificate they produced that showed he was born in Hawaii was a forgery.

Kamala Harris was an anchor baby!

My personal opinion is that no one who comes from a foreign country, or whose parents come from a foreign country should be eligible to become POTUS. Why? Because their allegiance is not to this country!!!

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That is what the Founding Fathers had been talking about. That is why they required both parents US citizens, or had been in the US before the constitution.

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May 9, 2021 22:19:19   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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That is what the Founding Fathers had been talking about. That is why they required both parents US citizens, or had been in the US before the constitution.


Allegiance to America would eliminate every kommiecrat from the presidency. Seems now, within the kommiecrat party, the more one h**es America, the higher the office achieved.

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May 9, 2021 22:54:40   #
Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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That is what the Founding Fathers had been talking about. That is why they required both parents US citizens, or had been in the US before the constitution.


But it's not in the constitution.

https://constitutionstudy.com/2019/09/20/vattels-law-of-nations-and-the-u-s-constitution/

"Both Vattel and Noah Webster (whose dictionary I use as a reference document) agree that a natural born citizen is also a native citizen."

Native – Webster’s 1828 Dictionary
If “native” means “conferred by birth”, then it can be inferred that a “natural born citizen” is one who is a citizen at birth as opposed to one being granted citizenship later in life.

With no solid definition of the term “natural born citizen” in the Constitution, and with differing definitions in possible supporting references, we are left with only one way to define the term: Natural law. Since natural laws are, by definition, laws so obvious they don’t need to be written down, I believe the best definition of the term “natural born citizen” is the simplest: That of a child who is a citizen at birth.

To be a citizen at birth, one must be a child of a parent or parents who are citizens of the United States. I see no requirement that the child be born on U.S. soil. This is supported by the debates around the 14th Amendment recognizing not only geography but jurisdiction as being necessary to citizenship. Therefore, the standard we should use for qualification for President is a person who was born a citizen, not one who received their citizenship later in life.

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May 10, 2021 02:58:28   #
Radiance3
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
But it's not in the constitution.

https://constitutionstudy.com/2019/09/20/vattels-law-of-nations-and-the-u-s-constitution/

"Both Vattel and Noah Webster (whose dictionary I use as a reference document) agree that a natural born citizen is also a native citizen."

Native – Webster’s 1828 Dictionary
If “native” means “conferred by birth”, then it can be inferred that a “natural born citizen” is one who is a citizen at birth as opposed to one being granted citizenship later in life.

With no solid definition of the term “natural born citizen” in the Constitution, and with differing definitions in possible supporting references, we are left with only one way to define the term: Natural law. Since natural laws are, by definition, laws so obvious they don’t need to be written down, I believe the best definition of the term “natural born citizen” is the simplest: That of a child who is a citizen at birth.

To be a citizen at birth, one must be a child of a parent or parents who are citizens of the United States. I see no requirement that the child be born on U.S. soil. This is supported by the debates around the 14th Amendment recognizing not only geography but jurisdiction as being necessary to citizenship. Therefore, the standard we should use for qualification for President is a person who was born a citizen, not one who received their citizenship later in life.
But it's not in the constitution. br br https://... (show quote)

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I've read that in the constitution before. Natural born is a child born in the US or any US territory, with two US citizen parents. The Founders' purpose was to have a solid allegiance to the United States of America.

All of a sudden when Obama came in, the text in the constitution had been changed. Fact of the matter is Kamala the ho, should not be qualified to be a VP or a president. The LIBS changed the text in Congress to suit their own narratives.

Warning: We are losing our country. They have changed the history via the project 1619, now used in schools and colleges. Project 1619 ARE ALL FALSEHOODS. That is wrong history, as explained by professor Miller . Now he wrote the true history at Project 1620. This must be used in all schools, public and private. Remove that project 1619. Whoever wrote that falsifications of the true US history must be prosecuted.

Here comes the CRT. The Biden administration in alliance with the b****s are changing how the kids are taught in schools. It is not thru merit system anymore.

They want to make the white and Asian kids dumber, by preventing their natural brain NOT to be smart, but lower them down to dumbness in order to be in par with these dumb kids who are mostly b****s and Hispanics.

They are altering the natural process of the kids' smart brains. The LIBS are destroying these kids. Then what kind of educational products do we have? US is already at the lowest rank in Math, Science, and reading, compared to all participating world countries .
CRT is a destruction of the smart kids. God purposely made them smart. There is a reason for that.

We must never allow CRT to be used. But some states are already implementing it into law as their schools' curricula.

If I have to fix this, I'll do the opposite. Select all the smart kids, separate then from the dumb kids. Then teach them according to the ability of their brains.

Put all smartest kids to Section 1.
The smarter in Section 2.
The dumber in Section 3.
The Dumbest in Section 4.


That way, they'll enjoy how they are learning. And we could develop worldwide very bright kids.

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May 10, 2021 07:07:38   #
Cuda2020
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
The passage of time doesn't alter the fact that Obama is a Kenyan born gay Muslim marxist.
The Virgin Birth of Brockobamma is a pillar of leftdom, and no one tolerates any evidence that Brockobamma was born to a s**tty 19 year old expatriate in a foreign country.


No he was, you are just fixated on the lie you choose to believe, because that fits your narrative of what you WANT to believe, like I said, even if he was, it's a moot point buddy, he's STILL a citizen, but your so completely obstinate you still don't get that, you're laughable.

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May 10, 2021 07:09:36   #
Cuda2020
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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I've read that in the constitution before. Natural born is a child born in the US or any US territory, with two US citizen parents. The Founders' purpose was to have a solid allegiance to the United States of America.

All of a sudden when Obama came in, the text in the constitution had been changed. Fact of the matter is Kamala the ho, should not be qualified to be a VP or a president. The LIBS changed the text in Congress to suit their own narratives.

Warning: We are losing our country. They have changed the history via the project 1619, now used in schools and colleges. Project 1619 ARE ALL FALSEHOODS. That is wrong history, as explained by professor Miller . Now he wrote the true history at Project 1620. This must be used in all schools, public and private. Remove that project 1619. Whoever wrote that falsifications of the true US history must be prosecuted.

Here comes the CRT. The Biden administration in alliance with the b****s are changing how the kids are taught in schools. It is not thru merit system anymore.

They want to make the white and Asian kids dumber, by preventing their natural brain NOT to be smart, but lower them down to dumbness in order to be in par with these dumb kids who are mostly b****s and Hispanics.

They are altering the natural process of the kids' smart brains. The LIBS are destroying these kids. Then what kind of educational products do we have? US is already at the lowest rank in Math, Science, and reading, compared to all participating world countries .
CRT is a destruction of the smart kids. God purposely made them smart. There is a reason for that.

We must never allow CRT to be used. But some states are already implementing it into law as their schools' curricula.

If I have to fix this, I'll do the opposite. Select all the smart kids, separate then from the dumb kids. Then teach them according to the ability of their brains.

Put all smartest kids to Section 1.
The smarter in Section 2.
The dumber in Section 3.
The Dumbest in Section 4.


That way, they'll enjoy how they are learning. And we could develop worldwide very bright kids.
================= br i I've read that in the cons... (show quote)


What complete BS, NO the text hasn't been changed...give it up, your looking foolish...again. Both parents are not required.

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May 10, 2021 07:16:59   #
Cuda2020
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
But it's not in the constitution.

https://constitutionstudy.com/2019/09/20/vattels-law-of-nations-and-the-u-s-constitution/

"Both Vattel and Noah Webster (whose dictionary I use as a reference document) agree that a natural born citizen is also a native citizen."

Native – Webster’s 1828 Dictionary
If “native” means “conferred by birth”, then it can be inferred that a “natural born citizen” is one who is a citizen at birth as opposed to one being granted citizenship later in life.

With no solid definition of the term “natural born citizen” in the Constitution, and with differing definitions in possible supporting references, we are left with only one way to define the term: Natural law. Since natural laws are, by definition, laws so obvious they don’t need to be written down, I believe the best definition of the term “natural born citizen” is the simplest: That of a child who is a citizen at birth.

To be a citizen at birth, one must be a child of a parent or parents who are citizens of the United States. I see no requirement that the child be born on U.S. soil. This is supported by the debates around the 14th Amendment recognizing not only geography but jurisdiction as being necessary to citizenship. Therefore, the standard we should use for qualification for President is a person who was born a citizen, not one who received their citizenship later in life.
But it's not in the constitution. br br https://... (show quote)


Correct...{To be a citizen at birth, one must be a child of a parent or parents who are citizens of the United States. I see no requirement that the child be born on U.S. soil. } This is correct. Even back then people did travel abroad and if a woman gave birth while visiting another country, her child did not lose its citizenship because of it.

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May 10, 2021 08:35:29   #
Radiance3
 
Cuda2020 wrote:
Correct...{To be a citizen at birth, one must be a child of a parent or parents who are citizens of the United States. I see no requirement that the child be born on U.S. soil. } This is correct. Even back then people did travel abroad and if a woman gave birth while visiting another country, her child did not lose its citizenship because of it.

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I agree with that. That was the requirement before someone could be a president of the United States.

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May 10, 2021 08:48:11   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Cuda2020 wrote:
No he was, you are just fixated on the lie you choose to believe, because that fits your narrative of what you WANT to believe, like I said, even if he was, it's a moot point buddy, he's STILL a citizen, but your so completely obstinate you still don't get that, you're laughable.


Brockobamma is an Indonesian citizen, the CIA under his pals and the Muslim Brennan created a history and documents for Barry Soetoro.
And, much to the disappointment of the left, Brockobamma ain't even black. WHITE (ugh) and Indonesian. Here's his babydaddy.
Sumbish looks just like him. 🙂



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May 10, 2021 09:10:02   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Brockobamma is an Indonesian citizen, the CIA under his pals and the Muslim Brennan created a history and documents for Barry Soetoro.
And, much to the disappointment of the left, Brockobamma ain't even black. WHITE (ugh) and Indonesian. Here's his babydaddy.
Sumbish looks just like him. 🙂


Must admit the features are striking!!! Biggest charade perpetrated on our country!! What happens when vetting is side stepped..

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May 10, 2021 10:01:05   #
Radiance3
 
Cuda2020 wrote:
What complete BS, NO the text hasn't been changed...give it up, your looking foolish...again. Both parents are not required.

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Typical LIAR. Don't talk to me.

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May 10, 2021 10:18:28   #
Mikeyavelli
 
lindajoy wrote:
Must admit the features are striking!!! Biggest charade perpetrated on our country!! What happens when vetting is side stepped..


Stanley Ann Dunham was a groupie in Pak Subud's cult. She talked Barack Obama Sr into marrying her to give the kid a name. Barack Sr was already married, but did it as a favor, probably for favors that the loosely moralled Stanley Ann was willing to give.
Barack Hussein Obama has surpassed the Trojan Horse as the biggest dupe in history.
If he's outed, the main pillar of modern leftdom falls. The lefties protect Brockobamma at all costs.

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