straightUp Loc: California

It's not about fear. It's about being smart. The v*****es only provide you with some level of immunity against the disease (C****-**) that the v***s (SARS-CoV-2) can cause. As far as anyone knows, the v*****es do NOT actually prevent the spread of the v***s itself. That means that even if you're immune to the v***s you can still carry it and spread it to others.

For the people who understand this, wearing a mask was NEVER about the fear of getting sick from C****-**, it's about a community effort to slow the spread of the v***s. And for our political leaders in Congress, it's a matter of setting an example.

Your suggestion that it's all about fear betrays your ignorance but it also emphasizes your obsession with fear which I don't really find all that surprising. I'm betting you're aligned with all the fear-based politics that permeate the rabid right. Fear of immigrants ("gangsters and rapists" as Trump called them so as to scare you) Fear of terrorism, fear of China, fear of socialism (which has been an integrated part of America for over a century now - but you're still scared of it) Fear of gay people, fear of black people... It just goes on an on... I swear you people are the biggest chicken-sh:ts the world has ever seen.

Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

First you say "as far as anybody knows" then go on to make definitive statements like you know something nobody else does. Then you call people ignorant for not believing what you said nobody knows. Kind of convoluted logic.

ChJoe

That's a nice attempt to flip the "fear" narrative but it's a no go on me. I don't fear black people or any other race of people. I certainly don't fear gay people, I just find them d********g. I don't fear immigrants but I see daily what i*****l i*********n is doing to areas near where I live and work. I******s shooting guns into the air and at each other nearby is not what I want here in the area. I don't fear China but I think our gov had better open their eyes to the threat China imposes on the US both economically and militarily. I do fear terrorism and know that it could rear its ugly head at any time and place and shouldn't be invited in. Socialism is also not something I fear but I can see socialistic ideals gaining ground to extremes that I don't want to see in my country.

Now, as for v*****es touted to be 95% effective, how was that scene we all saw in the gov chambers common sense. ALL were v******ted. Even if a v******ted person pass it on, an unproven idea, if all are v******ted, what is the danger if v*****es are truly 95% effective???

If what you claim is true, why haven't we been wearing masks and distancing for our entire lives? Does not your narrative include all v*****es? Flu? Measles? Polio? For the vast majority, H1N1 is far more virulent and deadly for those under 60 than C***d ever was? Measles used to k**l 800,000 per year. Narry a mask or distancing recommendation. Polio? Chicken Pop's. Same argument.

I personally don't want my gov telling me I can't gather with my family or friends. I see them cram thousands of un-v******ted immigrants WITH C***d into holding centers without regard for masks or distancing and yet gov says a church can't hold indoor services??? The expert F***i has contradicted himself too many times and continues to do so. The media and the fear mongerer's like your self hype up the fear but even now are admitting that they can't ride this tidal wave of fear forever and thus now, they will build the climate crisis to extreme hyped up levels.

Do what you want but your argument holds no water and you are jacked up believing that which you have stated here.

ChJoe

Straightup has his logic straightup his proverbial a$$, if you ask me.

RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit

Says he/she/it who is seems paranoid and full of fear

Rose42

You can bloviate and pretend you care about others all you want. You can pretend your opinion is fact. That never makes it true.

And this has nothing to do with Trump. I know plenty of democrats who have more discernment that to trust blindly as you do.

And rumitoid, you should never bring God into it. You do not understand Christianity.

RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit

straightUp Loc: California

They aren't telling you what to do. Period. V*****es are not mandated by the government. Nor are masks... So WTF are you blabbering about?


That's not a problem with them being honest. That's a problem with you understanding what our "great leader" was actually saying.

straightUp Loc: California

"As far as anybody knows" was specific to one statement not the entire argument. Your attempt to twist my logic is hilarious.

straightUp Loc: California

Whether it's a "no-go" for you personally or not doesn't change the fact that right-wing politics is in fact driven by unfounded fear. You can say that about the left too but it's far more marginal on the left. Fear mongering on the right has moved into the mainstream. That's the essential difference.


Are you seriously asking that question? What does 100-95 equal ChJoe? Can you do math? Is it 5? So, doesn't 95% effective suggest a 5% risk? Secondly, most Americans have yet to be v******ted. So Congress is still trying to encourage people in the general public to wear masks to slow the spread until more people can be v******ted. So doesn't it make sense for Congress to set an example? As in lead by example? Does that phrase not mean anything on the right anymore?


Well, I guess that's because the last time we had a v***l outbreak this bad was in 1918.


No, it doesn't because we're talking about C****-**.


V*****es are available for all of those. Not sure what your argument is here.


Is that a question? (Your question mark at the end says it is). I'll answer with a simple fact. World-wide 284,000 people died from H1N1 in 2009 when we were hit with that v***s. Compare that to the 2,000,000 people who died (worldwide) from C****-** in the first 12-months of the p******c. I would call the later example a bigger problem. Of course it's possible that the only reason for that is we had a better president in 2009 than we did in the first 12 months of C****-**.


Again... we have v*****es for measles. Measles ceased to be a national emergency when Americans got v******ted. This was back in the day when Americans were less dysfunctional and they didn't throw tantrums every time they were told it might be a good idea to v******te.


Well, I currently live in PA and the government here isn't telling me I can't see my family and friends. And I do it all the time. In fact, I flew to California a few months ago to visit more friends and family and the government there didn't object either. So, why don't you stop exaggerating your victim role and just stick with the facts? We have 50 state governments in this country all with different suggestions about the size of gatherings. No one is going to jail for visiting their family.



There is no reason why people can't worship outdoors. Asking them to consider it is sound advice. As for the prisons and detention centers... well you tell me what choice they have. Go ahead. I'm listening.


Apparently, you don't know what an update is. Scientifically-oriented people get it because science is a constant process of improving estimates. Religiously-oriented people often don't get it because in religion there is the idea of an absolute t***h that can never be changed. In other words, scientists are learning where the faithful already know everything. (or so they think).

F***i is keeping us updated as experts learn more and yes, sometimes updated information will seem to contradict previous information. That's how the learning process works.


Who are you even referring to?


LOL - Two people in a car driving down a steep incline. One is concerned that the brakes seem to be failing and the other is freaking out that the song on the radio is a message from Hell. Not all fears are the same. Some are rational and some are not. The fear of g****l w*****g is a rational concern because whether or not it's true the models actually show how it COULD be true. Fear mongering is the vending of irrational fear and that's pretty much entirely on the right. I would not have said that 20 years ago, but I am now.


Rational people almost always see the water in my argument. Irrational subscribers of right-wing fear almost never do.

Rose42

Your opinion is not fact. And those who believe they are rational often do not look at the bigger picture. Awareness is not fear or paranoia.

And yes, just as many people on the left are driven by fear.

EmilyD

Don't you have any questions about why an untested, unapproved, non-traditional (newly developed) v*****e is being pushed on the masses?

Could it be that this is a massive clinical trial where the v******ted are the test subjects, and the unv******ted are the control group?

I don't see how it can be anything else, since the long-term effects of the v*****e are not known by the researchers and scientists who you think are "saving our sorry lives". Do you really think the owners and financiers of Big Pharma care about you? Come on...man!

ChJoe

So what WAS Biden saying when he said there was no v*****e when he became president? The entire roll out of the v*****e was instituted by Trump and his efforts. Biden should have been thanking Trump for his efforts to get a v*****e out fast. Hell, he should be apologizing for how he screwed up the border. Your boy Biden is a major i***t.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

He states his opinion all the time as facts. I rarely read his arrogant blather. Of course governments have seized unconstitutional powers using this p******c as an excuse. Some colleges are now announcing you cannot attend class with out proof of v******tion. Not the first time the government has used a major event to seize more of our rights. Look at the Patriot Act. One of the worst pieces of legislation ever passed. Sheeple like straight Up Stup** don't see it because they love some bureaucrat running their life. Notice it's always for our security. The science on this stupid v***s has changed. They've found it's detrimental for kids to wear masks in school six or seven hours a day. Yet some local governments insist they do. Maryland was and may still be making kids in sports outside wear masks. Very dangerous and the list goes on.

ChJoe

For the left, the sky is always falling and we can only be saved by them.

95% effective is higher than any v*****e ever made. It means you don't need to wear masks and social distance if around others v******ted.

H1N1 is an ongoing p******c and all total has k**led thousands more than C***d in the under 65 age group since 2008.

Your narrative has to include all v*****es. Not to look at this v*****e in light of previous v*****es is ignorance compounded.

The point is that we don't wear masks and socially distance for things like polio, measles, etc.

What part of more virulent or deadly for those under 60 than C***d do you not understand? We can cont to protect the elderly and those at high risk but the rest of us need to continue our lives and stop hiding from something that is a much lower risk than the common flu for us under 65.

You're simply being obtuse in your defense of your ignorant l*****t leader(s).

Many states still limit indoor gatherings and church services as in it's agin the law to gather indoors with large numbers. But we can pile thousands of un-v******ted i******s in to an indoor facility which is inhumane even without the threat of C***d.

People should not have to worship out doors. You and nobody else has the right to tell them they must worship outdoors. Socialism and unbridled power at it's finest.

You're not a scientist. Don't pretend to be one.

CNN is now planning to build up the climate as the next crisis to build ratings and get clicks. They have fully admitted to it.

YOu r view of c*****e c****e is totally ignorant and unfounded by evidence.

As an irrational person how could you recognize irrationality?

Now go have a lolly pop and watch some cartoons.