G****e F***d was a victim, but neither martyr nor hero: Sophia Moskalenko Ph.D. (originally from Jun 08, 2020) On June 3, 2020, Glenn Beck tweeted, “I don't care WHAT G****e F***d did.

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Sophia Moskalenko Ph.D. (originally from Jun 08, 2020)

On June 3, 2020, Glenn Beck tweeted, “I don't care WHAT G****e F***d did. The officer should have never treated him like that and k**led him! But we still must ask: Is he a Hero?” On the same day, Candace Owens posted a video message that went v***l, “#GeorgeFloyd is neither a martyr or a hero.” In an interview with Beck, Owens said, “The fact that [G****e F***d] has been held up as a martyr sickens me." The interview was later re-tweeted by U.S. President Donald Trump.

The debate on Twitter about whether or not G****e F***d is a martyr or a hero is an echo-chamber, with most of those posting remaining unchallenged in their convictions that he’s neither. But no supporters of the protests have argued that he’s a hero. Why, then, are some fighting the straw-man claim that Floyd was a martyr or a hero?

In “The Marvel of Martyrdom” (2019, OUP), Clark McCauley and I lay out what martyrdom is, and how it differs from both heroism and victimhood. Martyrs accept suffering and possibly death for a larger cause, neither initiating nor reciprocating violence. Martyrs are not victims, because they choose their own suffering; they are not heroes, because they reject the strong action—often violence--expected of heroes.

Beck, Owens, and Trump are right. G****e F***d was not a martyr—he was a victim, unable to escape a fate he didn’t choose. G****e F***d was not a hero, either—he couldn’t fight.

In examining martyrs, famous (Gandhi, Sakharov), f**e (Rodrigo Rosenberg, Horst Wessel), and even fictional (Harry Potter, Neo of the Matrix) we discovered that martyrdoms are more than the person, more than the sacrifice, more even than the cause. They are symbols of widespread injustice and suffering. When many realize their grievances are widely shared, when the oppression they have witnessed or experienced is embodied in a vivid, gut-wrenching story, a martyrdom story grows.

It grows out of emotions, not facts. Those whose suffering had gone unnoticed can find validation in the public acknowledgment of the suffering of one. Those previously oblivious to the widespread injustice can find redemption in opposing it. And those whose power the martyr challenged can find themselves defending against the idea that they are the bad guys in the moral universe that the martyrdom story unveils.

Those disputing the claim of G****e F***d’s martyrdom are therefore fighting against the indictment of their role in the suffering of many like G****e F***d. If he doesn’t share the martyrs’ innocence, they imply, citing his arrest record, then the violence against him is not an injustice. If he’s not a martyr, then his suffering shouldn’t move others to action. And if he is not a hero, his death should not inspire others.

But, in fact, his death has inspired to fight injustice, from the teenage girl who filmed his murder to the millions who shared the video online, to the hundreds of thousands who protested day after day, even as new evidence of police brutality against protesters made it clear that they risked arrest, assault, and even death.

The marvel of martyrdom is that, though martyrdom stories seem to be about the martyrs, they are not. Martyrdoms are cases of mass psychology, not of individual psychology.

Trying to dismantle G****e F***d, the pundits might think that they address the root of the problem. But their efforts are misdirected. When many are fed up with systemic injustice and widespread suffering, if a martyr doesn’t exist, we invent him.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

slatten49 wrote:

Sophia Moskalenko Ph.D. (originally from Jun 08, 2020)

On June 3, 2020, Glenn Beck tweeted, “I don't care WHAT G****e F***d did. The officer should have never treated him like that and k**led him! But we still must ask: Is he a Hero?” On the same day, Candace Owens posted a video message that went v***l, “#GeorgeFloyd is neither a martyr or a hero.” In an interview with Beck, Owens said, “The fact that [G****e F***d] has been held up as a martyr sickens me." The interview was later re-tweeted by U.S. President Donald Trump.

The debate on Twitter about whether or not G****e F***d is a martyr or a hero is an echo-chamber, with most of those posting remaining unchallenged in their convictions that he’s neither. But no supporters of the protests have argued that he’s a hero. Why, then, are some fighting the straw-man claim that Floyd was a martyr or a hero?

In “The Marvel of Martyrdom” (2019, OUP), Clark McCauley and I lay out what martyrdom is, and how it differs from both heroism and victimhood. Martyrs accept suffering and possibly death for a larger cause, neither initiating nor reciprocating violence. Martyrs are not victims, because they choose their own suffering; they are not heroes, because they reject the strong action—often violence--expected of heroes.

Beck, Owens, and Trump are right. G****e F***d was not a martyr—he was a victim, unable to escape a fate he didn’t choose. G****e F***d was not a hero, either—he couldn’t fight.

In examining martyrs, famous (Gandhi, Sakharov), f**e (Rodrigo Rosenberg, Horst Wessel), and even fictional (Harry Potter, Neo of the Matrix) we discovered that martyrdoms are more than the person, more than the sacrifice, more even than the cause. They are symbols of widespread injustice and suffering. When many realize their grievances are widely shared, when the oppression they have witnessed or experienced is embodied in a vivid, gut-wrenching story, a martyrdom story grows.

It grows out of emotions, not facts. Those whose suffering had gone unnoticed can find validation in the public acknowledgment of the suffering of one. Those previously oblivious to the widespread injustice can find redemption in opposing it. And those whose power the martyr challenged can find themselves defending against the idea that they are the bad guys in the moral universe that the martyrdom story unveils.

Those disputing the claim of G****e F***d’s martyrdom are therefore fighting against the indictment of their role in the suffering of many like G****e F***d. If he doesn’t share the martyrs’ innocence, they imply, citing his arrest record, then the violence against him is not an injustice. If he’s not a martyr, then his suffering shouldn’t move others to action. And if he is not a hero, his death should not inspire others.

But, in fact, his death has inspired to fight injustice, from the teenage girl who filmed his murder to the millions who shared the video online, to the hundreds of thousands who protested day after day, even as new evidence of police brutality against protesters made it clear that they risked arrest, assault, and even death.

The marvel of martyrdom is that, though martyrdom stories seem to be about the martyrs, they are not. Martyrdoms are cases of mass psychology, not of individual psychology.

Trying to dismantle G****e F***d, the pundits might think that they address the root of the problem. But their efforts are misdirected. When many are fed up with systemic injustice and widespread suffering, if a martyr doesn’t exist, we invent him.

Sophia Moskalenko Ph.D. (originally from Jun 08,... (show quote)

It's too bad that the progressive l*****ts don't have a plan to clean the streets of criminality.

Of course we all know that the Democrat/B*M Association of Anarchy are going to keep it ghetto.

St. Floyd was just an excuse to activate unrest and make things more dangerous for the regular citizens.

Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle

Now that the conviction has been made, there is no "cause".

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Sonny Magoo wrote:

Now that the conviction has been made, there is no "cause".

What's been the motivation to cause the whole l*****t slide into the division of race by inventing more martyrs?..look at the 16yr old trying to stab people and got neutralized by a heroic police officer today.

Maxine Waters is probably flying to Columbus Ohio to incite violence on this one too.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

slatten49 wrote:

Sophia Moskalenko Ph.D. (originally from Jun 08, 2020)

On June 3, 2020, Glenn Beck tweeted, “I don't care WHAT G****e F***d did. The officer should have never treated him like that and k**led him! But we still must ask: Is he a Hero?” On the same day, Candace Owens posted a video message that went v***l, “#GeorgeFloyd is neither a martyr or a hero.” In an interview with Beck, Owens said, “The fact that [G****e F***d] has been held up as a martyr sickens me." The interview was later re-tweeted by U.S. President Donald Trump.

The debate on Twitter about whether or not G****e F***d is a martyr or a hero is an echo-chamber, with most of those posting remaining unchallenged in their convictions that he’s neither. But no supporters of the protests have argued that he’s a hero. Why, then, are some fighting the straw-man claim that Floyd was a martyr or a hero?

In “The Marvel of Martyrdom” (2019, OUP), Clark McCauley and I lay out what martyrdom is, and how it differs from both heroism and victimhood. Martyrs accept suffering and possibly death for a larger cause, neither initiating nor reciprocating violence. Martyrs are not victims, because they choose their own suffering; they are not heroes, because they reject the strong action—often violence--expected of heroes.

Beck, Owens, and Trump are right. G****e F***d was not a martyr—he was a victim, unable to escape a fate he didn’t choose. G****e F***d was not a hero, either—he couldn’t fight.

In examining martyrs, famous (Gandhi, Sakharov), f**e (Rodrigo Rosenberg, Horst Wessel), and even fictional (Harry Potter, Neo of the Matrix) we discovered that martyrdoms are more than the person, more than the sacrifice, more even than the cause. They are symbols of widespread injustice and suffering. When many realize their grievances are widely shared, when the oppression they have witnessed or experienced is embodied in a vivid, gut-wrenching story, a martyrdom story grows.

It grows out of emotions, not facts. Those whose suffering had gone unnoticed can find validation in the public acknowledgment of the suffering of one. Those previously oblivious to the widespread injustice can find redemption in opposing it. And those whose power the martyr challenged can find themselves defending against the idea that they are the bad guys in the moral universe that the martyrdom story unveils.

Those disputing the claim of G****e F***d’s martyrdom are therefore fighting against the indictment of their role in the suffering of many like G****e F***d. If he doesn’t share the martyrs’ innocence, they imply, citing his arrest record, then the violence against him is not an injustice. If he’s not a martyr, then his suffering shouldn’t move others to action. And if he is not a hero, his death should not inspire others.

But, in fact, his death has inspired to fight injustice, from the teenage girl who filmed his murder to the millions who shared the video online, to the hundreds of thousands who protested day after day, even as new evidence of police brutality against protesters made it clear that they risked arrest, assault, and even death.

The marvel of martyrdom is that, though martyrdom stories seem to be about the martyrs, they are not. Martyrdoms are cases of mass psychology, not of individual psychology.

Trying to dismantle G****e F***d, the pundits might think that they address the root of the problem. But their efforts are misdirected. When many are fed up with systemic injustice and widespread suffering, if a martyr doesn’t exist, we invent him.

Sophia Moskalenko Ph.D. (originally from Jun 08,... (show quote)

Well written...

In a more perfect world even worthless thugs would not be so treated by law enforcement...

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

slatten49 wrote:

Sophia Moskalenko Ph.D. (originally from Jun 08, 2020)

On June 3, 2020, Glenn Beck tweeted, “I don't care WHAT G****e F***d did. The officer should have never treated him like that and k**led him! But we still must ask: Is he a Hero?” On the same day, Candace Owens posted a video message that went v***l, “#GeorgeFloyd is neither a martyr or a hero.” In an interview with Beck, Owens said, “The fact that [G****e F***d] has been held up as a martyr sickens me." The interview was later re-tweeted by U.S. President Donald Trump.

The debate on Twitter about whether or not G****e F***d is a martyr or a hero is an echo-chamber, with most of those posting remaining unchallenged in their convictions that he’s neither. But no supporters of the protests have argued that he’s a hero. Why, then, are some fighting the straw-man claim that Floyd was a martyr or a hero?

In “The Marvel of Martyrdom” (2019, OUP), Clark McCauley and I lay out what martyrdom is, and how it differs from both heroism and victimhood. Martyrs accept suffering and possibly death for a larger cause, neither initiating nor reciprocating violence. Martyrs are not victims, because they choose their own suffering; they are not heroes, because they reject the strong action—often violence--expected of heroes.

Beck, Owens, and Trump are right. G****e F***d was not a martyr—he was a victim, unable to escape a fate he didn’t choose. G****e F***d was not a hero, either—he couldn’t fight.

In examining martyrs, famous (Gandhi, Sakharov), f**e (Rodrigo Rosenberg, Horst Wessel), and even fictional (Harry Potter, Neo of the Matrix) we discovered that martyrdoms are more than the person, more than the sacrifice, more even than the cause. They are symbols of widespread injustice and suffering. When many realize their grievances are widely shared, when the oppression they have witnessed or experienced is embodied in a vivid, gut-wrenching story, a martyrdom story grows.

It grows out of emotions, not facts. Those whose suffering had gone unnoticed can find validation in the public acknowledgment of the suffering of one. Those previously oblivious to the widespread injustice can find redemption in opposing it. And those whose power the martyr challenged can find themselves defending against the idea that they are the bad guys in the moral universe that the martyrdom story unveils.

Those disputing the claim of G****e F***d’s martyrdom are therefore fighting against the indictment of their role in the suffering of many like G****e F***d. If he doesn’t share the martyrs’ innocence, they imply, citing his arrest record, then the violence against him is not an injustice. If he’s not a martyr, then his suffering shouldn’t move others to action. And if he is not a hero, his death should not inspire others.

But, in fact, his death has inspired to fight injustice, from the teenage girl who filmed his murder to the millions who shared the video online, to the hundreds of thousands who protested day after day, even as new evidence of police brutality against protesters made it clear that they risked arrest, assault, and even death.

The marvel of martyrdom is that, though martyrdom stories seem to be about the martyrs, they are not. Martyrdoms are cases of mass psychology, not of individual psychology.

Trying to dismantle G****e F***d, the pundits might think that they address the root of the problem. But their efforts are misdirected. When many are fed up with systemic injustice and widespread suffering, if a martyr doesn’t exist, we invent him.

Sophia Moskalenko Ph.D. (originally from Jun 08,... (show quote)

Here's a line from the article I have a problem with.

"G****e F***d was not a martyr—he was a victim, unable to escape a fate he didn’t choose."

So, I guess he was forced into criminal activity and drug abuse.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Blade_Runner wrote:

Here's a line from the article I have a problem with.

"G****e F***d was not a martyr—he was a victim, unable to escape a fate he didn’t choose."

So, I guess he was forced into criminal activity and drug abuse.

The dems control the black race....so...