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Five Great Things Biden Had Already Done Before The E******n
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Apr 12, 2021 18:27:44   #
Sicilianthing
 
slatten49 wrote:
Rather than living on the DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, I'd say you live in the State of Denial.


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You live in Wobblyland and visit T*****rville daily !

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Apr 12, 2021 19:10:01   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yeah, I totally deny the e******n was legitimate. In the face of overwhelming evidence, anyone who refuses to acknowledge that or denies that fraud ever happened is a freaking disgrace.

Then it's true. You continue to live in a state of denial, thus appearing to be the total freaking disgrace.

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Apr 12, 2021 19:28:28   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
donho50 wrote:
Your selective cut and paste job on my original quote is reminiscent of the CBS hit piece 60 Minutes did on Governor DeSantis. So I'll ask again, can you glean the five bullet points from Brooks' article that touts Biden's pre-e******n achievements? I think the bigger argument is the circumvention of e******n laws, be it for better or worse, rather than the genius of Biden's lethargic campaign that warrants scrutiny from the press. And I don't buy that Biden won the debates; Chris Wallace carried Biden's water in the first, Biden bailed on the second, and the third was Joe's weakest moments. But yes, by default you have to award the contests to Biden because the fix was in from the networks and media.
Your selective cut and paste job on my original qu... (show quote)


The five points, according to Brooks, were as follows:

"He de-ideologized the e******n. He made the campaign mostly about dealing with C****-**. That’s a practical problem, not an ideological one. Conservatives and moderates didn’t have to renounce their whole philosophy to v**e for him. They just said they’re v****g for the person who can take care of this."

"He’s done a good job reaching out to white evangelicals. Right now, many of them think he’s a godless socialist who will usher in a reign of anti-religious terror. In his campaign, he’s done a pretty good job reaching out to those v**ers. His campaign has run ads on Christian radio and reached out aggressively to evangelical leaders. If he can allay their cultural fears (by making it clear he will not shut down Christian charitable groups) and win them over with working-class economic policies, he can create a long-term governing majority".

"He’s separated politics from the culture war. Over the past generation, culture war issues have increasingly swallowed our politics. Trump had put this process into overdrive. He barely talks about policies. Instead, his every subject is really about why “our” identity group is better than “their” identity group".

"Biden has scrambled the upscale/downscale dynamic. The most important fissure in our politics is education levels. The Democratic Party’s greatest long-term challenge is that it might become the party of the highly credentialed college-educated class and let some future Republican rally a multiracial working-class coalition. Even Trump is now making surprising gains among Latino and Black men".

"Biden has avoided the stupid binaries about race. Trump went to Mount Rushmore and made a speech essentially saying you can either believe in s******c r****m or you can love America. Biden went to Gettysburg and argued that you can “honestly face s******c r****m” and love America. He argued that you can believe in fighting r****m and believe in law and order. His worldview is based on universal categories — the things we share — not identitarian ones — the ways we supposedly can’t understand each other across difference".

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Apr 12, 2021 19:36:51   #
donho50
 
Thanks for distilling it, Slatten. You did a good job wading through Brooks’s babble. I look forward to dismantling these accolades one by one.

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Apr 12, 2021 19:37:48   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
donho50 wrote:
Thanks for distilling it, Slatten. You did a good job wading through Brooks’s babble. I look forward to dismantling these accolades one by one.


Believe me. It will be easy enough to do.

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Apr 12, 2021 19:38:51   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
[quote=slatten49]
donho50 wrote:
The esteemed author touts Biden's achievements (as he unilaterally determines them to be) prior to the e******n. It is stunning to me that such homage can be paid a man who did not campaign. He stayed in seclusion, hid behind C***d, dodged debates, and was shrouded in a protective bubble by handlers and the media.
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It does make one wonder how badly Biden would'a beaten Trump had he not just sat back and let Trump defeat himself BTW, the consensus was that Biden won the debates...again, almost by default.
The esteemed author touts Biden's achievements (a... (show quote)


This is my only true "beef" with you, slat. You actually think Biden won, without a doubt, without wonder or question, given all the "evidence" that has been presented but never heard in a court of law, but for a case or two, which had rulings in Trump's favor (you'll have to find them yourself, I'm tard.)

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Apr 12, 2021 19:40:48   #
donho50
 
JFlorio wrote:
Believe me. It will be easy enough to do.

Shall we divvy them up? Perhaps start a lottery to allow others to bid on which of the five they want to discredit first?

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Apr 12, 2021 19:47:42   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
This is my only true "beef" with you, slat. You actually think Biden won, without a doubt, without wonder or question, given all the "evidence" that has been presented but never heard in a court of law, but for a case or two, which had rulings in Trump's favor (you'll have to find them yourself, I'm tard.)


I believe in math, statistics, and good ol common sense. Much of the evidence was presented in legislative hearings on CSPAN. I found the poll workers and videos to be very credible. There is not a doubt what state laws say about e******n law. Many of the battle ground states changed e******n law through Secretary of State mandates or other bureaucratic measures. This is against the Constitution of everyone of the states. E******n law changes must go through the state legislatures. Period.
Common sense says there was no reason to shut down counting of v**es in numerous states for hours. Never happens. Yet we are led to believe, an old demented white guy who did not campaign received the most v**es in American history. swallowing that IMO is a lack of common sense. Biden won 200 fewer counties than Obama. Biden's v**es came from 509 counties across the country, according to data published by the Brookings Institution, making up just 16.7 percent of the nation’s counties. President Donald Trump, on the other hand, won the majority of v**es in over 2,500 counties nationwide. No way the numbers add up.

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Apr 12, 2021 19:48:22   #
martsiva
 
slatten49 wrote:
. . . .he won.


No he didn`t - he stole!!

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Apr 12, 2021 19:53:41   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JFlorio wrote:
I believe in math, statistics, and good ol common sense. Much of the evidence was presented in legislative hearings on CSPAN. I found the poll workers and videos to be very credible. There is not a doubt what state laws say about e******n law. Many of the battle ground states changed e******n law through Secretary of State mandates or other bureaucratic measures. This is against the Constitution of everyone of the states. E******n law changes must go through the state legislatures. Period.
Common sense says there was no reason to shut down counting of v**es in numerous states for hours. Never happens. Yet we are led to believe, an old demented white guy who did not campaign received the most v**es in American history. swallowing that IMO is a lack of common sense. Biden won 200 fewer counties than Obama. Biden's v**es came from 509 counties across the country, according to data published by the Brookings Institution, making up just 16.7 percent of the nation’s counties. President Donald Trump, on the other hand, won the majority of v**es in over 2,500 counties nationwide. No way the numbers add up.
I believe in math, statistics, and good ol common ... (show quote)


And we are also to believe that the China v***s was just a coincidental happen stance. Yeah, right. Occam's razor says we have be sliced up.

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Apr 12, 2021 19:53:50   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
donho50 wrote:
Shall we divvy them up? Perhaps start a lottery to allow others to bid on which of the five they want to discredit first?

I'm quite certain that each of you will "discredit" them to Trump supporter's satisfaction. I find it amazing that you believe yourselves capable of discrediting them, yet previously had trouble distinguishing what Mr. Brooks five main points were...until I pointed them out for ya' Simply amazing.

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Apr 12, 2021 19:58:42   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
From The Palm Beach Post, by David Brooks

Many of our best presidents have been underestimated. Harry S. Truman was seen as the tool of a corrupt political machine. Dwight D. Eisenhower was supposedly a bumbling middlebrow. Ulysses S. Grant was thought a taciturn simpleton. Even FDR was once considered a lightweight feather duster.

I’ve been reading Joe Biden’s speeches, and I’m beginning to think even his supporters are underestimating him.

He’s walking across treacherous cultural ground, confronting conflicts that are shredding the nation, and he’s mastering them with ease.

Biden was campaigning in a country that has lost faith in itself. Sixty-six percent of Americans believe our nation is in decline, according to a study from the Institute for Advanced Studies in Culture.

He’s also running in the middle of a political and cultural civil war. Eighty-two percent of Biden v**ers believe that “Donald Trump would like to gradually t***sform our country into a dictatorship,” according to that IASC study. Ninety percent of Trump v**ers believe that the Democrats want to gradually turn America into a socialist country. According to a survey conducted by Braver Angels, a group that sponsors bipartisan conversations, 70% of Americans believe that if the “wrong” candidate wins, “America will not recover.”

Biden was campaigning in a land filled with fear, hatred and apocalyptic thinking. It would have been so easy for him to reflect that fear and h**e back to v**ers. That’s what Trump does.

But Biden is not doing that. Never in my life had I seen a candidate so confidently avoid wedge issues. Biden is instead running on the conviction that, despite it all, Americans deeply love their country and viscerally long for its unity. He’s running with the knowledge that when you ask America about the greatest —threats to our future, “political polarization and d******eness” comes out No. 1.

It’s easy to say you’re for healing division. But here’s what Biden has actually done:

He de-ideologized the e******n. He made the campaign mostly about dealing with C****-**. That’s a practical problem, not an ideological one. Conservatives and moderates didn’t have to renounce their whole philosophy to v**e for him. They just said they’re v****g for the person who can take care of this.

He’s separated politics from the culture war. Over the past generation, culture war issues have increasingly swallowed our politics. Trump had put this process into overdrive. He barely talks about policies. Instead, his every subject is really about why “our” identity group is better than “their” identity group.

So now the positions people take — on issues ranging from c*****e c****e to immigration — are determined by whether they see themselves as part of the rural white Christian conservative army or part of the urban multicultural secular progressive army. Policies are no longer debated discretely; they are just battles in one big, existential fight over who we are.

But Biden goes back to the New Deal, to an era of policymaking when there really wasn’t a polarized culture war. He sidesteps the Kulturkampf issues — which statues to take down — to simply talk about helping the middle class.

Biden has scrambled the upscale/downscale dynamic. The most important fissure in our politics is education levels. The Democratic Party’s greatest long-term challenge is that it might become the party of the highly credentialed college-educated class and let some future Republican rally a multiracial working-class coalition. Even Trump is now making surprising gains among Latino and Black men.

Biden has avoided all the little microaggressions that cultural elites use to show they are morally superior. Woke-ness, for example, is partly about fighting oppression, but it’s also become a status symbol. It’s showing people that you are so intellectually evolved that you can use words like intersectionality, decolonizing and cultural appropriation. Political correctness is not just a means for the less privileged to set standards of behavior; it is also sometimes the way people with cultural power push others around.

Unlike, say, Hillary Clinton, Biden has a worldview and a manner that is both educated class and working class and defuses the divide.

Biden has avoided the stupid binaries about race. Trump went to Mount Rushmore and made a speech essentially saying you can either believe in s******c r****m or you can love America. Biden went to Gettysburg and argued that you can “honestly face s******c r****m” and love America. He argued that you can believe in fighting r****m and believe in law and order. His worldview is based on universal categories — the things we share — not identitarian ones — the ways we supposedly can’t understand each other across difference.

He’s done a good job reaching out to white evangelicals. Right now, many of them think he’s a godless socialist who will usher in a reign of anti-religious terror. In his campaign, he’s done a pretty good job reaching out to those v**ers. His campaign has run ads on Christian radio and reached out aggressively to evangelical leaders. If he can allay their cultural fears (by making it clear he will not shut down Christian charitable groups) and win them over with working-class economic policies, he can create a long-term governing majority.

Seventy percent of Americans in that Braver Angels survey say America is facing permanent harm, but 70% also say the most important job after the e******n is to heal our enmity, to do the hard job of working with people whose views we find completely objectionable. This unity impulse is powerful in the populace, but it is deeply hidden.

Biden knew it was there.
From The Palm Beach Post, by David Brooks br br M... (show quote)


"Biden has avoided the stupid binaries about race." Really slat? And I quote, "If you don't v**e for me, you aren't black."

His idea of reaching out is to "whisper" as if that makes him sound more serious.

I mean, I am sorry but I just don't buy it.

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Apr 12, 2021 19:58:55   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
That's what pundits do, Rose. All of 'em Tit for tat, so to speak.

Funny thing is, though: No one minds the spin for their own candidate or cause.


How right you are. Some are better than others and this guy is one of the better ones.

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Apr 12, 2021 20:21:30   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
This is my only true "beef" with you, slat. You actually think Biden won, without a doubt, without wonder or question, given all the "evidence" that has been presented but never heard in a court of law, but for a case or two, which had rulings in Trump's favor (you'll have to find them yourself, I'm tard.)

I doubt there's much from either side of the e******n that I haven't both heard and read. Yes, he won. But, let me know how My Pillow Guy's effort to have Trump back in The White House by August goes, will ya' And, please keep donating to MAGA, 'cause The Don's grift must go on.

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Apr 12, 2021 20:30:43   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Blade_Runner wrote:

Yeah, I totally deny the e******n was legitimate. In the face of overwhelming evidence, anyone who refuses to acknowledge that or denies that fraud ever happened is a freaking disgrace.
slatten49 wrote:
Then it's true. You continue to live in a state of denial, thus appearing to be the total freaking disgrace.
Projection is not cool, dude. It is childish to say the least.

If you did not or do not see a C*******t face on the Biden administration, then you are a hopeless case.

If you embrace Biden and his admin because they wear a C*******t face, then you are a hopeless case.



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