Rose42

Looked like a pretty clear explanation. Zemirah is very clear in ber explanations.

olegig Loc: Texas panhandle

No I don't understand her explanation, however it seems you do.
Therefore I would like your explanation. We don't have a priest, surely Zemirah is not your spokesperson in these matters.

You say you agree with Zemirah, then you are saying Jesus had human blood.
I'm only asking you to explain in your words, with your scriptural support, how human blood got into Jesus.
I want to know how much theology you have on your own, if you can think for yourself or if you are just a follower of Zemirah in what she says.

If you say:"Just read Zemirah's reply" then we know Zemirah is your priest.

Rose42

You only speak for yourself. Just because Texacan isn’t going to answer you doesn’t mean she is a follower of anyone but Christ. The lady definitely has a mind of her own.

olegig Loc: Texas panhandle

Ok, great, I'm quite sure if anyone has a mind of their own they won't be reluctant in making their own thoughts public.
Therefore I expect TexaCan's response soon.

But you are correct, I only speak for myself; now I ask can you speak for yourself?
Since I'm sure you would also claim to be a follower of Christ, you should have no problem in following Jesus' instruction below.

On the basis of Matt 5:42 please send me $1,000. If you agree I will give you my bank's routing number and then they will give the funds to me.

This is not a game, I'm serious. You can easily see what is copied below, I'm the one who asks you.

42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Matthew 5:42

The thought just occurred to me, if TexaCan can speak for herself, why are you speaking for her?

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Oh my goodness, little man......how often does this little macho act of yours work for you? 😉

Do you really think that you can demand or belittle me into playing this little game of yours? Your attempt to bully any one of us will not work! Stop making a complete A@#$ of yourself and trying to impress others of your immense knowledge of the Bible and this authority that you have claimed for yourself!

After spending a couple of hours reading the Cult site, it’s clear where your knowledge comes from! Your attitude, your twisted view of scripture, is spelled out in that site!

BTW! There are millions of us that agree with each other......we are not ashamed when we say AMEN and AMEN to another person who has shared The Word and that we agree with! This is nothing more than an overused ploy used by many to abuse, embarrass, and to control! You’re not our first rodeo! 😎

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

And Olegig has spoken! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏😎

I would be honored to have Zemirah be my spokesperson! I know she is full of knowledge, wisdom, integrity, kindness and has devoted her life to Jesus Christ........why wouldn’t any Christian? 🤷🏻‍♀️

Rose42

I don’t speak for anyone but myself.

And yes indeed you are playing games.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

They say that practice makes perfect, but he doesn’t seem to be getting any better at his game! 🤷🏻‍♀️

olegig Loc: Texas panhandle

Thanks for your Christ like reply. So now let's see....
Humm a cult?

Let's see a cult is something which always requires the members to read writings outside the Bible.
Have I ever recommended any outside the Bible reading? No, but several times here I have been told if I would just read a certain list of commentaries then I would understand things like the one making the recommendations does. Hum??

A cult is something in which the leader makes non Biblical statements and the followers simply agree.
Statements like "Abraham was saved just like us" or perhaps that our Lord Jesus Christ who spread His precious, shed blood on the Holy Places in Heaven did it with "human blood."

A cult is something that can easily be defeated with plain old scripture, that is if you can get the cult members to engage in scripture.
Why do folks here run backwards from scriptural discussion?

A cult is something in which the following has a set of talking points, but refrain from scriptural discussion by ducking, dodging and directing inquiries to previously stated long winded exhaustive narration.

A cult likes to accuse others of doing exactly what they are by attacking them personally like the democrats accuse others of doing what they themselves are actually doing.

Why is asking someone to put their money where their belief is by calling attention to Matt 5:42 set you folks off and termed games and tricks. My goodness people if you really believe something stand for it!
Wow, you hold that verse in front of a bunch of non dispensational replacement theologian covenant following cultist and its like holding up a cross in front of a satinist.

This visit I've made to this site is kinda like watching the riots on Fox News. I never knew folks could behave in such fashion.

Rose42

From what I’ve seen he’s learned well from Ruckman. Never heard of the guy until Zemirah mentioned him.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

There has been no hints, no declarations, and no evidence of any person on this thread of being non dispensational replacement followers! No where have we stated that “members are required to read writings outside the Bible!” You have now went past twisting our words and actually lied!

I’m curious, where in the Bible do you find any person that demanded for others to “put their money where their mouth is?” 😂🤷🏻‍♀️

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Oleg, you have passed the rejection of two boats and a helicopter.

It wasn't the number of hours He spent in the ground by which we are saved. It is WHY He died that is of utmost importance.

God provided serious lovers of the Word of God with a marvelous tool called a Concordance. A Bible concordance is an alphabetical listings of words and phrases found in the Holy Bible which shows the chapter and verse where a word or term occurs throughout Scripture.

There is one in the back of every Bible I own, and many online. They in no way compromise one's Christian faith, and can, on occurrence, prevent the appearance of being a total moron.

I'm in the midst of getting two websites online, so I am showing you just one instance... -the entire passage, not just a verse, having given up on your locating it for yourself.

Every one of the five Bible versions below declare Jesus was flesh and blood, i.e. human; fully God, fully man.

Please note the King James below even says He took on the seed of Abraham.

Jesus was Flesh and Blood; Hebrews 2:13-18:

13And again, "I will put my trust in him."
And again he says, "Here am I, and the children God has given me."
14Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death--that is, the devil--
15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.
16For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham's descendants.
17For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.
18Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.NIV
THE HOLY BIBLE, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION®, NIV® Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica®.

13And again, “I will put my trust in him.” And again, “Behold, I and the children God has given me.
14Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,”
15and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery.
16For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham.
17Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
18For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.ESV
ESV® Text Edition® (2016): The Holy Bible, English Standard Version® copyright © 2001 by Crossway Bibles.

13And again, "I WILL PUT MY TRUST IN HIM." And again, "BEHOLD, I AND THE CHILDREN WHOM GOD HAS GIVEN ME.
14Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,"
15and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.
16For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham.
17Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
18For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted.NASB
New American Standard Bible Copyright © 1960 - 1995 by The Lockman Foundation.

13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.KJV
King James Bible Text courtesy of BibleProtector.com

13Again, I will trust in Him. And again, Here I am with the children God gave Me.
14Now since the children have flesh and blood in common, Jesus also shared in these, so that through His death He might destroy the one holding the power of death--that is, the Devil--
15 and free those who were held in slavery all their lives by the fear of death.
16For it is clear that He does not reach out to help angels, but to help Abraham's offspring.
17Therefore, He had to be like His brothers in every way, so that He could become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
18For since He Himself was tested and has suffered, He is able to help those who are tested.HCSB
Holman Christian Standard Bible®, Copyright © 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2009 by Holman Bible Publishers.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

I'm not worthy of being your spokesman, TexaCan, but am humbled by your kind words.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

If a concordance is being disparaged as a "writing outside the Bible," I will continue to use mine, as all its words and locations of words are straight out of the Holy Book.

Dispensationalism is a method that man has devised of interpreting history in a way that divides God’s work and purposes toward mankind into different periods of time. It is most often claimed there are seven dispensations identified, although some theologians believe there are nine.

Others count as few as three or as many as thirty-seven dispensations. There are four dispensations listed in the King James Bible; unlike the multitude/minimum, the hyper or ultra-dispensationalists have created.

Some people call these stages ‘dispensations’. That is based on the King James Version, in which Paul talks about ‘the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me’ (Ephesians 3:2).

They think Paul is writing about dispensation as a time period here, that is the time period started with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. However, that is a mistake. Newer translation use words like ‘the stewardship of God’s grace that was given to me’. It refers to a responsibility the Lord has given to Paul, not to a specific time period.

People who talk about dispensations are correct that there are different periods in the Bible, and that people in earlier periods do not have the fuller understanding that people later have, especially after the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. They also rightly understand that God does not have the same commands for all people at all times.

For example, we do not, for a very good reason, have a tree of which the fruit is forbidden to us; and we do not slaughter sheep in church to sacrifice to the Lord.

Yet the importance of this is sometimes overemphasized, which leads to the following mistakes:

Believing that the Old Testament is only about law, while the New Testament is only about grace. Believers in the Old Testament were saved by grace as we are (see Romans 4).

Believing that large parts of the Bible are not for us. Ultra-dispensationalists believe that many prophecies are specifically written for Israel, and therefore have no meaning for the church; that many prophecies are about what will happen after Christ’s return, and therefore do not directly apply to us; they go so far as to insist that parts of the gospels (e.g. Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5-7) do not apply to us because the Holy Spirit had not yet come.

We should trust that all of the Bible is God’s Word for us, and that it is “profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16).

Believing that Old Testament believers had a very limited experience of God. While it is true that they preceded God’s full revelation in Jesus Christ, reading the Psalms of King David should convince us of the depths of faith, love and experience with God that Old Testament believers had.

Although it is important to understand how God has worked throughout history, and how He planned to find its complete and ultimate fulfillment in Christ, an over emphasis on a framework of hyper-dispensationalism hinders rather than helps to grow in that understanding.

However, I don't know what a non-dispensational replacement follower is, nor am I inclined to pursue it at this point, as being a follower of Jesus Christ is sufficient.

There are too many cult oriented buzzwords flowing from Mr. Oleg's indoctrinated keypad to bother with all of them, as they're being spouted from "rote" indoctrination, at best.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Thank you, Rose, though your own posts are much more concise, compact and succinct than mine will ever be.